LOOK drug with great help to withdrawl

[johnny27]

Hi Guys, been on a poppy tea habit for about a year. have ran out of pods, but am getting again on Monday. I have found a drug that make my sickness vanish. Don't ask me how it works as i don't have a clue. Have experimented before with it, and come to the conclusion that it defentily without doubt cures my withdrawl that day.
BenzylPiperazine and other mixture of piperazine. Sure enough it does give you a pretty stong but nice stimulant effect, but in my case it does much more importnant things. I don't know if this is just me and my own personal brain chemistry but it makes me feel normal when i'm in withdrawl. Another thing i have noticed is that if opiates are taken along with the BZP, the opiate has absoublety no effect what so ever. I think this is due to the way BZP works on the enzyme CYP2D6. So its a waste for me to drink PT or anyother opi. The piperazine i am taking is in form of a UK legal high called pep pills, it contains mostly BZP and a combo of other piperazines, it is used here for a alternative for XTC, it is pretty close to the real thing, but i'm not intrested in that.
Can anyone tell me why excatly this piperazine is blocking my withdrawl? Its gotta be something to do with brain chemistry, maybe blocking noradrenadine? Thanks guys

[Chicklet]

Sounds Awesome!! How can I get some????!!!!

;) Chick

[Opiyum]

For Chicklet I would recommend Meth which would have a similar effect as far as muteing the withdrawl symptoms because BZP is illegal in the states as of 2002 I think and most other countries... And for Irish man(do they celebrate St. Patricks day there or is that a US thing) It has mixed actions on both the serotonergic and dopaminergic receptor systems. BZP also has meth-like actions on the serotonin reuptake transporter, BZP also has lower potency effect noradrenaline reuptake transporter and the dopamine reoptake transporter.

[johnny27]

Hello there, yeah i know for sure it works for me. Woke up this morning, got the runs, the cold chills and other signs of early withdrawl, and i know if i have'nt used this i would be very sick by now. Took piperazines at 10.00 clock this morning, its now 5.40 and still no WD symptons. As i mentioned eariler that it could be possible that the BZP could be blocking the release of noradrenaline, which some people in the medical world beleive that opiate WD causes the release of excess noradrenaline which produces most of the withdrawl sickness, infact in the UK there is a drug called lofexidine which does this very things and is used in rehab, altough i have tried it and found it to be of no good at all.
As far getting piperazine drugs, ASFAIK the piperazine family are scheduled in USA, illegal.
In the UK and austriala, legal tablets are made containing mostly BZP but also a combo of different Piperazine drugs, these are used for legal alternatives to illegal stimulants. Names includes : jax,bolts, pep pills, etc
Have a search on google to see if BZP is illegal in the states, but i'm 90% sure it is

[johnny27]

For Chicklet I would recommend Meth which would have a similar effect as far as muteing the withdrawl symptoms because BZP is illegal in the states as of 2002 I think and most other countries... And for Irish man(do they celebrate St. Patricks day there or is that a US thing) It has mixed actions on both the serotonergic and dopaminergic receptor systems. BZP also has meth-like actions on the serotonin reuptake transporter, BZP also has lower potency effect noradrenaline reuptake transporter and the dopamine reoptake transporter.

Hi there, yeah we do celebrate st paddy's day over here. Quite a big thing here, altough i don't bother, there be's alot of trouble on that day with druken violent teen agers, gangs so on, in every town, espically when there's a fun fair. Cheers
BTW what do you think about the block noradrenaline suggestion?

[jacky]

Ive read a few reports of a similiar effect with 2 amino indan...which I dont think is scheduled in the states, though perhaps an analog of some scheduled compound.

piperazine is legal in the united states as a worm medication for animals. dont know if that compound is a stimulant similiar to bzp.

pukateine, a dopamine agonist is found in new zealand sassafras(laurelia novae-zelandiae). this compound has a similiar structure to mdma somewhat....I obtained an extract of this plant and tried the tincture with and without opiates. the material seemed to be a mild stimulant...but with some side effects consistant with too much stimulation when I used too much. never did get around to seeing if it would help with withdrawls.

hopefully people in other countries where this compound is legal will continue to experiment in regards to opiate interaction.

Thanks for the report!

[johnny27]

Ive read a few reports of a similiar effect with 2 amino indan...which I dont think is scheduled in the states, though perhaps an analog of some scheduled compound.

piperazine is legal in the united states as a worm medication for animals. dont know if that compound is a stimulant similiar to bzp.

pukateine, a dopamine agonist is found in new zealand sassafras(laurelia novae-zelandiae). this compound has a similiar structure to mdma somewhat....I obtained an extract of this plant and tried the tincture with and without opiates. the material seemed to be a mild stimulant...but with some side effects consistant with too much stimulation when I used too much. never did get around to seeing if it would help with withdrawls.

hopefully people in other countries where this compound is legal will continue to experiment in regards to opiate interaction.

Thanks for the report!

the drug piperazine is legal, its the benzylpiperazine and other like tfmpp are illegal

[psilocybin]

Hello there, yeah i know for sure it works for me. Woke up this morning, got the runs, the cold chills and other signs of early withdrawl, and i know if i have'nt used this i would be very sick by now. Took piperazines at 10.00 clock this morning, its now 5.40 and still no WD symptons. As i mentioned eariler that it could be possible that the BZP could be blocking the release of noradrenaline, which some people in the medical world beleive that opiate WD causes the release of excess noradrenaline which produces most of the withdrawl sickness, infact in the UK there is a drug called lofexidine which does this very things and is used in rehab, altough i have tried it and found it to be of no good at all.
As far getting piperazine drugs, ASFAIK the piperazine family are scheduled in USA, illegal.
In the UK and austriala, legal tablets are made containing mostly BZP but also a combo of different Piperazine drugs, these are used for legal alternatives to illegal stimulants. Names includes : jax,bolts, pep pills, etc
Have a search on google to see if BZP is illegal in the states, but i'm 90% sure it is

bzp is illegal but there are other piperazines that are not illegal such as TFMPP and mCPP.You might be able to find them through one of the many research chemical sites

[psilocybin]

the drug piperazine is legal, its the benzylpiperazine and other like tfmpp are illegal

tfmpp is not illegal in the US except in Texas and Hawaii here's a link if you don't believe me.


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/tfmpp/tfmpp_law.shtml

[johnny27]

I have heard reports that tmpff is not very active by itself. But when combined with BZP it helps produce more of an extacy effect. What i'm getting at is that if you like stimulant this drug family is okay, altough have alot more side effects than meth, the draw clenching is dramatically increased. I'm not really intrested in the stimulant effects of piperazine drugs due to the side effects. Also the piperazine combo found in pep pills, the effects last about 10 hours, so thats along time to be over stimulated and have side effects. The only reason i use them is for this opiate WD cure.

[madnesscult]

I have heard reports that tmpff is not very active by itself. But when combined with BZP it helps produce more of an extacy effect. What i'm getting at is that if you like stimulant this drug family is okay, altough have alot more side effects than meth, the draw clenching is dramatically increased. I'm not really intrested in the stimulant effects of piperazine drugs due to the side effects. Also the piperazine combo found in pep pills, the effects last about 10 hours, so thats along time to be over stimulated and have side effects. The only reason i use them is for this opiate WD cure.

"draw clenching"? Wassat?

Also, what side effects have you experienced? Have you attempted using BZP for more than a day? I'm thinking it would be pretty easy to come by in Mexico, and am considering obtaining some for help with WDs...as for the stimulant effect, does that mean that the feeling is like taking another stimulant (meth, coke, etc)?

[johnny27]

Hi there, the stimulant effect, is very like amphetamine sulfate, not like meth. I've used BZP for upto 6 days in a row. The main side effects i feel are, dry mouth, very occasional nauesa, difficult to pee (like opiates). The jaw clenching is quite severe for me, its like grinding my teeth, biting my checks and licking my lips and mouth, CONSTANTLY without noticing. It gives me alot of pain after a while, as my lips are really sore and irratiated after a while from licking them, and i get mouth ulcer's on my cheecks (inside my mouth)
Considering all this although, the bzp really does work for me, and stop the withdrawl for almost the whole day. So i guess its worth it, even with some side effects. Infact you might even enjoy the stimulant effects, many do, its sorta makes you want to work your ass off at anything.
C ya

[Seedy]

Beware!
BZP is a shitty chemical! It was first synthesized about 10 years ago and has not been well tested on humans let alone the animals it is used as a worming cure for. It has been legal in New Zealand for a few years as a legal alternative for speed/e/lsd etc for a few years & as a druggy I've given it a good trial.

The first few tries were pretty posative, amphetamine-like stimulation & a slightly loved up feeling, nowhere as good as e or speed. At first I attributed the bad comedown to consumption of alcohol but the more I tried it the worse it got. There's no hope of sleeping on it (without some good downers). The more you take it the shorter the high lasts, & the comedown starts the minute the high stops.

The comedown is the worst I have experienced of any drug I have taken. This mixed with WD's would be pure hell.

Try BZP for all means for the sake of something new but I would seriously not recommend using this crude substance to cure withdrawals! (Not that I've tried but if you try it you'll know what I mean!!!!)

[Seedy]

I forgot to mention, I have taken BZP/TMFPP after a day without opiates and while trying to get some rest through the god-awful comedown have had to make an agonising treck to my local bulk food store for some poppy seeds so I could at least lye down comfortably. Still no chance of sleeping, Worst comedown EVER!

[chemboy7]

Beware!
BZP is a shitty chemical! It was first synthesized about 10 years ago and has not been well tested on humans let alone the animals it is used as a worming cure for. It has been legal in New Zealand for a few years as a legal alternative for speed/e/lsd etc for a few years & as a druggy I've given it a good trial.

The first few tries were pretty posative, amphetamine-like stimulation & a slightly loved up feeling, nowhere as good as e or speed. At first I attributed the bad comedown to consumption of alcohol but the more I tried it the worse it got. There's no hope of sleeping on it (without some good downers). The more you take it the shorter the high lasts, & the comedown starts the minute the high stops.

The comedown is the worst I have experienced of any drug I have taken. This mixed with WD's would be pure hell.

Try BZP for all means for the sake of something new but I would seriously not recommend using this crude substance to cure withdrawals! (Not that I've tried but if you try it you'll know what I mean!!!!)


What did you expect? It's a stimulant man of course your going to crash if you don't have any downers for the tail end. While I have never used it for withdrawling I have had BZP on it's own and in combination with TMFPP a number of times and I found it to be like a really clean Amphetamine feeling with a less overbearing crash... definately more recreational mixed with TMFPP, I can see why people use that combination as a substitute for MDMA.

[Seedy]

What did you expect? It's a stimulant man of course your going to crash if you don't have any downers for the tail end. While I have never used it for withdrawling I have had BZP on it's own and in combination with TMFPP a number of times and I found it to be like a really clean Amphetamine feeling with a less overbearing crash... definately more recreational mixed with TMFPP, I can see why people use that combination as a substitute for MDMA. __________________

It's not so bad the first few times but after a few goes the BZP/TMFPP comedown is worse than my nights taking E, acid, speed & alcohol @ once. And the peak gets shorter each time as the comedown gets worse. You'll see! You can buy the shit from corner dairies (7-11's) here. It's just wrong. Just because the chemical is relatively new & untested it's still legal.

[madnesscult]

I wasn't really interested in using it recreationally, just to help withdrawls. I'm not terribly concerned with coming down, because I've never experienced it before...I've done meth a few times, and used to do coke quite a lot, and it never happened.

[johnny27]

comedwon it may have. Use it at a low dosage, now need for these extra high strenght party pill that you can buy
It 100% elimanites withdrawl for most of the day, absoubetly no sign of withdrawl at all! when tablet kicks in.

Its not like, ppl here are going to be using BZP for weeks, its only for a few days to get the worst withdrawl out of their system. We're not clubbers here, taking massive hits of it.
I've used BZP and TMPFF for upto a week at a time at low doseages, no major come downs on low dose, complete elimination of withdrawl, and after a week the WD's were gone.
Its worth a try, if you can put up with side effects, although you may have none of few, but its certainly better than withdrawl.
AVOID LARGE DOSES = NO OR LITTLE COMEDOWN

[johnny27]

Thousands of ppl in the UK alone are using this combo, never mind AUZ and Newzeland. Yes it is relatively new, but no deaths or long lasting effect so far, have been reported, except one or two, with involved large doses of extacy.
I'm not saying its not a dangerous drugs, who knows?
Just use little, for withdrawl and don't use it for clubbing every weekend, which its not much good for anyhow.
For withdrawl, use it early in the day/morning. I used it at 10.30 and got free from wds all day.

I would be really intrested to see, if anyone gets releif from opiate withdrawl, remember its blocking release of excess noradrealine, which is one of the main causes of withdrawl effect

[jacky]

it would be interesting to investigate, but in my area of the world, the USA, I doubt any real "willing" commercial supply would be found here, after the "research chemicals" sweep. if I a wrong let me know....

except of course for the piperazines found in the doggy worming medicine section.

I used to take meth/coke to relieve some opiate withdrawl back before I knew better. I think ketamine works better compared to those two....

2 amino indan is reported to abate morphine withdrawl.........
the chemical IAP, an mdma relative, felt to me that it might have some opiate withdrawl relieving effects, when I took 50 milligrams with a habit I didnt even remember to take my opiate dose, didnt need it, I also noticed I was feeling no pain, and I was seeing green and pink spots everywhere, which happens to me when on morphine when mixed with cannabis. anyway, this chemical as well disappeared from the scene here in the USA with operation webtrype.........or whatver the nazis called it.........

thanks alot for your report Johnny....takes all kinds and all types of meds/chems to kick dope for some people....many paths many paths.....

[Seedy]

Hmm... small doses for withdrawals...
If it actually works, the side effects minute doses of the B Z to the muthafuckin P (damn I hate that shit!) would be preferable to the withdrawals. I must admit I've never had less than 50 mg at a time. Even that had a fucking awful comedown.

Johnny 27 - how much are u using at a time for w/d,s


Oh yeah, I been meaning to take some photos of the shopfront advertising of this dirty shitty god-awful drug for your amusement. Basically looks like they're marketing drugs to children, I kid u not! Check this spot in a few hours...