Crossed the Line

[OxiContinKing]

After years of opiate use (mainly OC's, and H when the OC's weren't around), I finally jumped over (what I feel like) the last hurdle. I took my buddy to go score some 80's the other day, and he knows that I've been getting curious about the needle, so he brought a clean one. I told him, and myself, since I'm about to quit opiates altogether for the simple fact that they are ruining my life, that I would do this one time, just to say that I experienced it, and that would be it. Well, everyone here knows how that goes. I liked the feeling of that 80 running through my veins so much, and I found that a good bag of dope feels even better, I've IV'd every bit of dope and OC I've gotten my hands on. I was so close to quitting, I had actually started a slow taper for myself, but that has all gone out the window now.

I think I'm in some serious trouble here guys. I made a previous post about even though I have a love for opiates that will never be topped, they are slowly ruining my life. I feel like I just gave them the advantage again, when it had taken me forever to get the advantage over them.

[jdub]

Whoops. Fuck bro, try and get back on your taper. No more needles. I don't know how to uncross that line.

[OxiContinKing]

I dont think there is a way to uncross that line, I haven't heard of many success stories of people coming off the needle easily. Thats one hell of a feeling to try and forget about. For those of you out there that have yet to try a needle, trust me, and everyone else here, don't do it. Yes, I wont lie, its one hell of a feeling, but is feeling good worth ruining your life? And there is no such thing as a chipping needle user. It just doesnt happen.

[SynthMorph]

It can be done with proper amount of opiates, i've done it. When i switched to methadone i stopped the needle for a long time and then switched to opium.

[OxiContinKing]

The proper amount of opiates...thats not a problem for me...I can find enough opiates to kill a horse...its just getting away from that rush...its such a nice feeling...I used to carry around a hose clamp with me every where I went (to 'grind' up my pills to powder for snorting), now its my rig thats my right hand man...addiction's are powerful...and life changing...

[SynthMorph]

There's nothing wrong with the needle if you can keep control. I stopped because the veins were getting harder to hit and scarring, bruising, pain at the injection sites etc. I also was getting annoyed with the act of shooting up every 4 hours, then 3, then 2. Becomes a pain in the ass. Prefer taking my opium every 8 hours, nice steady feeling, instead of high, not high.

[Dan Steely]

I'm sure that the dopes pull on you is stronger than ever at the moment. The power it has over you will diminish with every day that you dont use when you really are ready to make a change. Try to stay confident about yourself. Many people have successfully quit and I'm sure you can too if you decide that you want to.

Best wishes

[Dan Steely]

There's nothing wrong with the needle if you can keep control. I stopped because the veins were getting harder to hit and scarring, bruising, pain at the injection sites etc. I also was getting annoyed with the act of shooting up every 4 hours, then 3, then 2. Becomes a pain in the ass. Prefer taking my opium every 8 hours, nice steady feeling, instead of high, not high.

I saw an interview with Slash on Conan I think. When asked why he decided to quit dope he answered that it was because it was becoming a pain in the ass.

[nick]

I dont think there is a way to uncross that line, I haven't heard of many success stories of people coming off the needle easily. Thats one hell of a feeling to try and forget about. For those of you out there that have yet to try a needle, trust me, and everyone else here, don't do it. Yes, I wont lie, its one hell of a feeling, but is feeling good worth ruining your life? And there is no such thing as a chipping needle user. It just doesnt happen.

Ok,you can't unlearn things.So,you're gonna have to find away to accomodate your problems and stabilise until you're ready to stop.

and if you are shooting....SHOOT SAFE.

much luck.

[SynthMorph]

After a while it does become more trouble than its worth.

[HistoryofMadness]

you can uncross that line. if i can, you can. just stop doing it.

see, that's easy, right?

yeah right. you gotta fuckin want to stop more than you want to do dope. that's a looong way down. you wanna go there? if not then fucking stop.

if you think you can't, think something else. they're your thoughts, right? control them.

i know i know easier said than done. but you are assigning a glory to that rig that it doesn't deserve. pull your head out of your ass, take a couple of steps back, and look at what you're saying.

or, fuck it, shoot on. rave on. roll on. enjoy. but for the love of L. Ron H fucking christ on a pogo stick, be safe. follow the junky rules - don't share. be sanitary. don't die. two in the arm is better than one in the ground. etc, etc.

[handsome rob]

It's really difficult to go back over that line. I crossed it when OC's stopped getting me high, the euphoria that I hadn't felt in years came back and I shot every time after that. It got bad when I started with H, the only reason I was able to stop was getting on methadone. It takes a lot of will power to still use but not shoot anymore. If you tried to quit opiates all together you would have a better chance of not shooting than if you kept using your DOC without shooting. When you shoot H that is the only way you want to do it.

[SeVeN]

I dont think there is a way to uncross that line, I haven't heard of many success stories of people coming off the needle easily. Thats one hell of a feeling to try and forget about. For those of you out there that have yet to try a needle, trust me, and everyone else here, don't do it. Yes, I wont lie, its one hell of a feeling, but is feeling good worth ruining your life? And there is no such thing as a chipping needle user. It just doesnt happen.

The sooner you learn to abstain the easier it will be IMO.

[kil092286]

I was an iv heroin/cocaine/any opiate I could get my hands on user for over a year and I quit and switched back to snorting and taking orally. I haven't picked up a needle in quite some time now don't say it can't be done. Good Luck and make the best decision for you.

[Poppylvr]

The proper amount of opiates...thats not a problem for me...I can find enough opiates to kill a horse...its just getting away from that rush...its such a nice feeling...I used to carry around a hose clamp with me every where I went (to 'grind' up my pills to powder for snorting), now its my rig thats my right hand man...addiction's are powerful...and life changing...
OCKing, the only way I finally stopped IVing opiates (morphine) was by being arrested on 34 second degree felonies for drug theft from a hospital:( . I know it's not the same situation as you, but man, felonies suck. I was allowed to plead guilty to one, however, even one sticks with you forever.
I detoxed in a hospital, and since I was facing prison it was fairly easy to stay stopped.
You notice, however, that I love playing on o'phile. the want and desire never leaves, I just can't face the consequences of further IVing of good drugs.
Good luck, dude, The sooner you stop the easier it will be for you.

[rockbottom]

I dont think there is a way to uncross that line, I haven't heard of many success stories of people coming off the needle easily. Thats one hell of a feeling to try and forget about. For those of you out there that have yet to try a needle, trust me, and everyone else here, don't do it. Yes, I wont lie, its one hell of a feeling, but is feeling good worth ruining your life? And there is no such thing as a chipping needle user. It just doesnt happen.


i havn't done the needle in years....but can look at both arms and see the scars....still get high all the time. snorting eating and plugging.. u can quit if you want but you might have to burn through everything and everybody. hope not...Good Luck;) there is such a thing as chipping i chipped for 10 years only using on weekends something to look forward to all week

[pippin]

you have to set limits for yourself, that's the only advice I can give when it comes to the needle. Since I started this habit again full force, I haven't once thought about giving them up, so my situation is quite different in that sense. A little over a month ago I IVed for the first time because my supply was dwindling and the situation I was in. I still rarely do it and will ONLY even consider it if I have less than X amount available for a day. My amount is 60mg of morpine, I know orally that won't touch me, so in that case I will IV it... it I have 90mg available I put it in my mouth and chew. That's how I've managed to deal with it. And truth be told, I'm too lazy to IV very much, but it seems like the ritual and rush has already gotten ahold of you. Since you really wanted to stop all together, throw away your clean rigs, or give them to your buddy, and pick back up with the taper.

~Pip

[drugsaregood]

Damn, bro. Sorry you've found yourself in this situation. I've flirted with the idea of shooting, but always have stayed away. Managed to do it this far along, and I'm not planning on changing...

Just a thought, but there's some shit called Aversion Therapy. You can read about it on wikipedia at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_therapy

I've heard it can be a effective tool in conquering bad habits. It supposedly works well for awhile, and then it doesn't. Give it a shot.

Devise a plan. Rubber band on your wrist when you think of the needle, pull it back so it hits your wrist. Or pull some body hair out. Etc..

Perhaps if you were to stab yourself in the dick with a needle you might not want to be around them anymore? :P

You could also get a friend to implement some sort of ghetto shock therapy...

[pippin]

me me me!!! I wanna help with shock therapy!!! Pleeeeeeeezzzzeee!!!???

[montsealavern]

you have to set limits for yourself, that's the only advice I can give when it comes to the needle. Since I started this habit again full force, I haven't once thought about giving them up, so my situation is quite different in that sense. A little over a month ago I IVed for the first time because my supply was dwindling and the situation I was in. I still rarely do it and will ONLY even consider it if I have less than X amount available for a day. My amount is 60mg of morpine, I know orally that won't touch me, so in that case I will IV it... it I have 90mg available I put it in my mouth and chew. That's how I've managed to deal with it. And truth be told, I'm too lazy to IV very much, but it seems like the ritual and rush has already gotten ahold of you. Since you really wanted to stop all together, throw away your clean rigs, or give them to your buddy, and pick back up with the taper.

~Pip

..but, how many times have yoy shooted it since then?

[OxiContinKing]

Every bit of dope and oxy that I get is IV'ed since I tried the first time, even though my girl of 3 years has threatened to leave if I do it again...and I know shes serious...that rush is a powerful thing...Im going to guesstimate conservatively and say that its been about 100 times in the past 3 weeks. On average, about 3 times a day, on good days, more, lots more.

[Tbird921]

Yes it is a good feeling, but you can deffilnty stop with some will power. Atleast from the darts. IMO

[antigonemuse]

i guess it is abundtly obvious why us who have already made the deal with the devil are so quick to advise aganist starting with the needle


get into detox and treatment now, before it too late, and you have nothing left of your life to look forward to. if you wanted to quit, you need to stay that path. this makes things so much worse. you tolerrance will florish by leaps and bounds like you never knew and your habbit will get beyond you means.

you knew what you wanted before.... pretty soon the rush fades and you just use to keep from bing sick

i know, cause ive been there just wait til the sickness come every 5 to 6 hours, and you are struggling to get money for 4 or 5 bags just to stay well, (not even high)... just to feel normal... and to keep you from pissing out your ass and puking at the same time.... ribs feeling like an avil is cruching them, legs so sore and tight you can barely walk, dizzy, quezzy, achey, skin so sensitive you cant even take fabric running aganist.

and that the tip of it

[limitless_euphoria]

Well, it's just like in Greek Mythology. Once Pandora's Box (and I don't mean Pandora from the forum, j/k) was opened, that was it... there was no putting the lid back on it. When I first joined here I too still had my IV cherry. Do I regret it: yes and no. I mean, I've found if I'm going to quit I'm going to quit. If I'm going to use... well, I guess I'm going to use. if I have access to pins I might very well use them. The problem is my veins suck and I'm not exactly very good at this particular "first person shooter" game. Oh well, tried to throw in a little humor to keep it light.

If I might offer some insight: it sounds to me like you want yourself to want to quit because you know it would be a smart thing to do however, underneath it all, you don't truly want to quit because you have yet to hit rock bottom. Unfortunately, for some people, rock bottom is, "jails, institutions and death."

Don't let it be one of those three for you if you think you truly have a problem and your life could be improved by doing the taper you had planned. If you have to, disassociate yourself with your drug-using buddies for the time being. It sounds like no good can come of hanging out with them for now. When you're a little more sure of yourself, then you can evaluate the situation once again at that time.

I know rule # 1 here on o-phile is not to preach 12 steps (perfect example for those who remember: mikells43) but I would simply leave it at this: do whatever it is you think you need to in order to get your life in order! Alright, enough said. :)

P.S. Good luck doing whatever it is you decide.