Immobilon (Etorphine)

[Voyager]

Just wanted to make this thread and share this with you all.
Etorphine, most probably the strongest opioid in the world.
It is 10.000 times stronger than Morphine !
It's sold under the name Immobilon or M99.
It's mostly used for the immobilization of elephants and other large animals.
One single drop of pure Etorphine on the skin can instantly within minutes kill an adult human.
It's pure mu, delta and kappa opioid receptor agonist.

Would you like to try it ? :-)

[NoEggsForFats?]

I usedta bang it using a gigantic five piece glass and brass antique rig that held 5cc's, which I'd fill up completely with etorphine.. it's the pause that refreshes.

Seriously, Yea I actually heard of that stuff. Most elephants I know look down on 'phants who need to bang more than 100mg of pure pharmaceutical oxymorphone. But then you get these snobby types who stay off by themselves banging immobilon every hour on the hour.

"Fucking faggot Indian elephant can't handle his Immobilon.. look at him puking."

"Haw haw.. jerkoff--- I think you forgot your Wheaties this morning." Aside: "Hit me willya Bob."

"Chipping faggot couldn't hit ivory with the space shuttle."

[Tea Time]

Just wanted to make this thread and share this with you all.
Etorphine, most probably the strongest opioid in the world.
It is 10.000 times stronger than Morphine !
It's sold under the name Immobilon or M99.
It's mostly used for the immobilization of elephants and other large animals.
One single drop of pure Etorphine on the skin can instantly within minutes kill an adult human.
It's pure mu, delta and kappa opioid receptor agonist.

Would you like to try it ? :-)

Yeah it really is interesting to read about the super-potent opiate agonists, but I definitely would not want to try them. Diluting them down to a proper level would have to be 100% exact otherwise you would be dead without question before you reall knew what was going on. Etorphine for example is active in humans at one MICROGRAM! For those that don't know, a microgram (mcg) is 1/1,ooo,oooth of a gram or 1/1,oooth of a miligram! One single drop on human skin could potentially cause the person to die within minutes before an antagonist could be effective in reversing it's action!

Another interesting super-potent opiate agonist is carfentanil - known as trade-name "Wildnil." It is a fentanyl analogue that is 100 times stronger than fentanyl and more than 10,ooo times as strong as morphine!

With both etorphine and carfentanil, naloxone is typically not strong enough to reverse the opiate agonist. Diprenorphine is an opiate antagonist that is used to reverse the action of the super-potent opiate agonists!

That right there should tell you that humans shouldn't be trying to use it. :cool: When it needs it's own special opiate antagonist to reverse it's effects, you know that it is too strong!

[Dune]

Has anyone out there actually tried Carfentanyl?

[robojunkie]

In addition to etorphine and carfentanil, both somewhere in the area of 5,000 to 10,000 times stronger than morphine, let's not forget our other heroic synthetic opioids, alpha-methyl, beta-hydroxy, 3-methylfentanyl aka omafentanyl supposedly some 100-200 times stronger than regular old fentanyl if I recall correctly and of course alpha-methyl, 3-methylfentanyl which is actually a wee bit stronger than carfentanil when one has the correct stereo and optical isomers of each. Imagine all the hungry junkies that could fed with those bottomless buckets! No bit buckets there, huh chopstix!

[Voyager]

Yeah, only dyphrenorphine is strong enough in antagonizing the effects of such strong opioides.
I don't think that anybody here tried either of those.

[Tea Time]

Yeah, only dyphrenorphine is strong enough in antagonizing the effects of such strong opioides.
I don't think that anybody here tried either of those.

I'm not saying that it's impossible that someone has tried either of those, but I think it is incredibly unlikely...

It may have changed, but diprenorphine used to be fairly rare. It is not stocked in pharmacies or hospitals at all. Supposedly the kits that contain the super-potent opiate agonists actually contain diprenorhphine as well and the directions instruct you to prepare the diprenorphine prior to working with the etorphine/carfentanil.

[jonny-5]

i wouldnt try it even if i got a hold of it. its way too potent. micrograms of the shit will kill you, so if anyone here has tried it they arent around to talk about it.

[jacky]

there has been some opiophile experience with wildnil that I know of, and some opiate peptides that are very potent on the microgram level...

personally I have had no experience with any of these compounds.
fent doesnt really appeal to me either, I mean, if that was all I could get sure, but nothing I would want to be maintained on.

[Indy]

I don't know about you guys but if i or someone else that i possibly knew ever experimented with a drug that is so tightly controlled that people get curious when you talk about it (the wrong people), i'd keep my trap shut.

Maybe it's just in WI, but that stuff is tightly controlled. Very tightly controlled.

[nick]

there has been some opiophile experience with wildnil that I know of, and some opiate peptides that are very potent on the microgram level...

personally I have had no experience with any of these compounds.
fent doesnt really appeal to me either, I mean, if that was all I could get sure, but nothing I would want to be maintained on.

That's right Peasan used to claim he bought wildnil from a vets in Mexico..........Ummm then he disappeared.

[handsome rob]

Back in my safari days i used bang Wildnil all the time. The rush is great! Kidding of course. I read that a few years ago in a hostage situation in a Russian theater the authorities used an aerosol form of carfentanyl to end the crisis. The emergency medical personnel noticed signs of opiate overdose and gave naloxone to those OD'ing. It was never confirmed by the government that they used Wildnil but victims showed opiate overdose symptoms and were revived with naloxone so it must have been carfentanyl or etorphine.

[clinton]

i researched paesan..
morbidly looking for wildnil deaths in the texas area around the time of his last post,found nothing though...isnt it odd though ?his last couple posts speak of getting this dangerous drug and then the poor fellow is never heard from again.

[norseman]

I'm just glad to know that no matter how high our tolerances get we will always have at least something to make the world right!

[Poppylvr]

Back in my safari days i used bang Wildnil all the time. The rush is great! Kidding of course. I read that a few years ago in a hostage situation in a Russian theater the authorities used an aerosol form of carfentanyl to end the crisis. The emergency medical personnel noticed signs of opiate overdose and gave naloxone to those OD'ing. It was never confirmed by the government that they used Wildnil but victims showed opiate overdose symptoms and were revived with naloxone so it must have been carfentanyl or etorphine.
Something like 100 people died in that theater......that's damn potent stuff.
My first thought was mmmmm stronger is better. However, one drop on my skin = death...nah. Never mind.
Thanks Voyager - I didn't know about these.

[Tea Time]

That's right Peasan used to claim he bought wildnil from a vets in Mexico..........Ummm then he disappeared.

Peasan - Now THAT'S a name from the past!

i researched paesan..
morbidly looking for wildnil deaths in the texas area around the time of his last post,found nothing though...isnt it odd though ?his last couple posts speak of getting this dangerous drug and then the poor fellow is never heard from again.

Yeah I remember discussing this with someone after he disappeared. I was thinking that even if he were to have OD'd on Wildnil, it's possible that it was chalked up as just another heroin overdose.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Back in my safari days i used bang Wildnil all the time. The rush is great! Kidding of course. I read that a few years ago in a hostage situation in a Russian theater the authorities used an aerosol form of carfentanyl to end the crisis. The emergency medical personnel noticed signs of opiate overdose and gave naloxone to those OD'ing. It was never confirmed by the government that they used Wildnil but victims showed opiate overdose symptoms and were revived with naloxone so it must have been carfentanyl or etorphine.

ACTUALLY VERY ,VERY FEW WERE REVIVED. The emergency personal and just about everyone else involved had no idea this was going to be used. Only ones that knew where a handful of the SWAT like team and superiors. HUSH, it is the Russian way.

Had they know and been prepared things would have turned out completely different.

[Voyager]

Yeah, I wouldn't try those either.
As far as I'm introduced to that incident in Russia a few years ago, they used the Fentanyl gas.

[underide]

^^^ It was either Sufentanil or Carfentanyl as far as i know.. but they do know that it was much more potent than Fentanyl

And there were more than 200 dead hostages, all dead because of the gas.
All of those people might have been saved if the ambulance crews at the scene knew what they were dealing with - they had no idea, due to the secrecy of the special forces and government who haven't revealed what sort of gas they used to the very end. (and are still tight-lipped about it today ofcourse)
Narcan could have undoubtedly saved many lives that night.

[Indy]

People get scared by the very small doses, but it's really not much more dangerous if it's diluted properly. And like i posted before, even with doses below 1 microgram, there's still thousands upon thousands at LEAST, of molecules in the sample. So it would be completely homogeneous in a solution of water since they're so water soluble. And once you dissolve it in water to the right proportions, you know exactly how much dose you're getting (assuming you keep it at the same temperature, but even then, a slight change isn't going to produce any noticeable difference). Of course, you have to know the amount of TOTAL drug you have, but even if not you can always start small and work your way up (dissolve your sample in a liter, take sips). Plus, with etorphine and immobilon, if you have it, 99% of the time you have it from the manufacturer and it's labelled.

There is also a machine that's used to dilute drugs by "piggybacking" them on other substances. In other words, it cuts it.

[SynthMorph]

Yeah ^^^ what he said. Dissolve 1 mg in 100ml, bingo 10mcg per 1ml shot, equal to a regular 100mg shot of morphine, simple math. I've read varying strengths on Etorphine anywhere from 300-500x morphine strength to 1000x all the way up to 40000x, someones gotta get their shit together. I was reading the strength of different opiates on activating opioid receptors. Etorphine activates the mor, delta, kappa opioid receptors stronger than anything else out there. Methadone is a very strong mor activator and morphine is a medium strength activator on all receptors. That strong kappa activation by etorphine might give some wicked hallucinations. I do know one thing if you get accustomed to etorphine and your supply gets cut off you're in fuck city. Your receptors will be totally desensitized to regular opiates. Thats why switching from methadone to morphine is still a hard thing to do.

[Voyager]

I was just thinking, well maybe I'd try Etorphine or Carfentanyl if I'd have them.
1ml contains 30 drops, I know from my dosing of oral liquid of my Methadone.
So I would take one drop of Etorphine or Carfentanyl and dilute it in 1 liter of water.
Then I would take one little drop out of those 1 liter and try it. Thus it would not kill me for sure.
Of course, this was just a rough estimation, I would surely do some math before dissolving either of those strong opioides.

But please, don't tell me a true opiophile wouldn't try to try Etorphine or Carfentanyl if he/she would have some in front of him/her ! :-)
All of us know that our nature to try new opioides is just too strong, hehe.

So at the end, we all agree it's not so hard to dissolve even those strongest opioides to the point for the human consumption.

[Indy]

I was just thinking, well maybe I'd try Etorphine or Carfentanyl if I'd have them.
1ml contains 30 drops, I know from my dosing of oral liquid of my Methadone.
So I would take one drop of Etorphine or Carfentanyl and dilute it in 1 liter of water.
Then I would take one little drop out of those 1 liter and try it. Thus it would not kill me for sure.
Of course, this was just a rough estimation, I would surely do some math before dissolving either of those strong opioides.

But please, don't tell me a true opiophile wouldn't try to try Etorphine or Carfentanyl if he/she would have some in front of him/her ! :-)
All of us know that our nature to try new opioides is just too strong, hehe.

So at the end, we all agree it's not so hard to dissolve even those strongest opioides to the point for the human consumption.

I see it the same way. Well, to be honest i wouldn't try it until i was out of the other stuff, but that's not to say it was a last resort, hard to explain i guess.

But just to be safe i wouldn't use drops as a unit of measurement. Yeah i'm sure you have lots of experience with measuring out perfect drops, but you never know, that one time it could go wrong. I'd just measure out mL. Just me, personally

[nick]

Hell,I'd try it.

[Tea Time]

Of course, this was just a rough estimation, I would surely do some math before dissolving either of those strong opioides.

That's the thing though - with etorphine it really is a risky proposition. Sure it IS possible to properly dilute it for human use. As voyager and Indy mentioned, you wouldn't want to use "drops" as a unit of measure and you would DEFINITELY want to make some calculations. And then double check those calculations. And then triple check them.

The only question that remains is: How confident are you that your calculations were right? What if you didn't actually dilute the etorphine/carfentanil yourself? Would you trust ANY other person to do the calculations on something where even the SMALLEST error could mean the difference between life and death? Would you even trust yourself when the stakes are so high?

About the only person I would really trust to properly calculate and dilute something like this would be an anesthesiologist. They typically have 12 years of college in order to gain certification - AND EVEN THEY SCREW UP SOMETIMES!!!:rolleyes:

And like I mentioned earlier, we're not talking about heroin, morphine, fentanyl, hydromorphone or anything like that. If you make a mistake on one of those, narcan will save the day. Call 911 and the paramedics will come to the rescue with plenty of naloxone to do the job. Hell, depending on where you live, you or one of your buddies might even have a vial of naloxone to do the job themselves!

But with etorphine and carfentanil, all the narcan you can muster will not guarantee that it will be able to be reversed. The binding affinity is SO STRONG to the receptors, that it is supposed to be extremely unreliable. As was mentioned above, the only antagonist that is supposed to be strong enough to reverse an OD from carfentanil/etorphine is diprenorphine which is rare - apparently it is not stocked in hospitals or pharmacies at all.

But I suppose if you are clever/connected enough to obtain carfentanil/etorphine, you probably could get ahold of diprenorphine as well. :cool:

Who really knows? It's hard to know whether anyone (myself included) would actually be able to turn it down if it was right in front of me. I'm sure these two in particular have killed countless opiate users that thought they could handle it or thought they could make the proper calculations.

[SynthMorph]

Anyone has an etorphine synthesis? I'd be willing to boot 50mcg.

[blackdog]

We discussed this,
on here before. There was a site that you could purchase all these said goodies plus some more slighly different types. Which you've no idea ever existed. and of course they also sold the antidotes/anti-serums.
Ya know the shots that immediately bring them big animals instanly back to earth(life) ..stand back! alls good but you would need a game-wardens license to purchase not even vetinarians can buy some of this stuff. I'll try to UTMFSE and see if i can find that site real interesting fer sure.
peace /respect
dawg,:cool:

http://www.zoopharm.net/products.php

GO AHEAD AND DREAM A LITTLE DREAM,
SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND,
ENJOY MY FRIENDS...........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[jdub]

Ohhh man. I should become a moose trapper.


ADD: 1000th POST=== PARTY TIME!!

[Tea Time]

http://www.zoopharm.net/products.php

GO AHEAD AND DREAM A LITTLE DREAM,
SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND,
ENJOY MY FRIENDS...........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That is a really interesting site...and you're right it doesn't hurt to dream!

I'm not really sure how accurate all of the info is on that site though. There are quite a few words spelled wrong as well as information that directly contradicts what was said on another part of the site.

They gave a few different estimates of the potency of etorphine for example. Then they said that diprenorphine should be used in humans in the event of accidental ingestion/overdose when very clearly on the etorphine page it says that diprenorphine should NEVER be used in humans?!?! Which way is it? :rolleyes:

I'm sure they don't care...as long as the check clears right...:rolleyes:

[Boudica]

I want it, and I want it now. There could be hope for the unholy-tolerent, after all.

[irish]

The hostage situation was in a theatre in Moscow. Spetznaz commandos used fentanyl aerosol rhat was untested to try to break the siege. The terrorists were Chechen extremists, and I believe that one was captured alive. A lot of hostages died, but mostly due to gunshot wounds and the detonation of one of the terrorist bombs. The Spetznaz operators were so poorly briefed on the gas that they took off their gas masks due to fogging of the lenses and were forcing themselves to vomit in an attempt to counteract the gas, which was deployed through the ventilation system. Russia has a history of putting civilian lives at risk to end an embarrassing situation, so it isn't too surprising that they did this. I heard that a few years ago Seal Team-6 (now DEVGRU) was experimenting with the same stuff. Never heard about any results though.

[underide]

^^^
The chemical agent mystery

Main article: Moscow hostage crisis chemical agent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_hostage_crisis_chemical_agent)
It was reported that efforts to treat victims were complicated because the Russian government refused to inform doctors what type of gas had been used. In the records of the official investigation, the agent is referred to as a "gaseous substance". In other cases it is referred to as an "unidentified chemical substance".[98] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis#cite_note-97) Government officials, who initially described the substance as a gas and now appears to have been an FSB-made aerosol version of carfentanyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanyl), an artificial, powerful opium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium)-like substance, still treat its contents as a state secret (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_secret).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis




^^^^
I was quite surprised at that too, the first sources did say it was Fentanyl, since they could not determine the exact chemical signature right away. Then it became Sufentanil and now they say it was Carfentanyl.
I think it was probably some analogue of either of the three, but way more potent than Fentanyl.

Either way, i guess it's not THAT important what it really was. Russian Spetznaz are mutants (who CAN do their job), Putin is a dick and lots of innocent people died that night.
What's really messed up is that Putin declared that operation a 'success'. (although that's probably not that far-off from his overall style)
All they had to do was inform the paramedics of the agent being used that night, or even just tell them/give them a hint to pack lots of Narcan, then most of those people probably could have been saved.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

YES -UNDERIDE IS CORRECT MOSTLY ALL THE HOSTAGE DEATHS WERE FROM GAS. Very few from friendly fire. The terrorist, the Chechen extremists almost all die from gunshot wounds to the head. They were basically 'faded' at the time when one by one they were executed where they sat. Shot to head at close range, remember they had bombs strapped to their body. Some Russian officials explained this as "self-inflected' head shots. I have seen some very graphic photos of the terrorist, NOT PRETTY!

My very sexy gal pal is Russian, her best friend was IN the Theater at the time.

[underide]

... MOSTLY ALL THE HOSTAGE DEATHS WERE FROM GAS. Very few from friendly fire....

Oh yes, that's an established fact - only one of the hostages was killed by either gunshots or explosions, all of the other hostages died because of the massive opioid overdose, basically. To quote that article further:

".[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis#cite_note-moscnews-48) Doctor Andrei Seltsovsky, Moscow's health committee chairman, announced that all but one of the hostages killed in the raid had died of the effects of the unknown gas rather than from gunshot wounds.[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis#cite_note-bbc-49) "


It's even quite possible that the single gunshot wound casualty was taken out by the terrorists.
In their defense, the OSNAZ (spetznaz) had actually carried out their task with remarkable, even surgical precision.
It's really those in the upper levels of power who fucked up big time by withholding what would have been lifesaving information.

[Voyager]

I don't think that any other anti-terrorists squad would do it better than Russians did that day.
Imagine even how creative they were, to use a strong opioid to immobilize the terrorists.
Somebody was smart enough to make that possible, hehe.

But yeah, they should have told to the doctors what they used, a lot of lives would be saved.

And as for the strongest opioid in the world, I think that I found our winner.
The strongest opioid in the world is 14-MethoxyMetopon. It is 1.000.000 times more potent than Morphine when given I.V..
Cheeyah ! :-)

[ZodiacKiller]

I am quite sure that substances of this nature and potency are developed and used by most larger governments who have 'black-ops' personnel (Seal teams, US Delta teams, Russian Spetnaz, etc...). This kind of stuff will never be made completely public, and especially talking about Russia: who the fuck really knows?

The complete truth will probably never be known. It is a fascinating incident , though, and makes me wonder if the poor hostages perhaps faded away with quiet puzzlement as to what they were feeling. Basically, were they really fucking high for a few moments before passing into unconsciousness, and then (hopefully), a peaceful death? Just a thought to ponder...

Reading this thread kinda jogged my memory to something I read a few years back about a helicopter crew using fentanyl-derivative cartridges in a rifle to immobilize a large animal from the air. The story as I remember it was that somehow one of the cartridges accidentally dispersed it's gas in the cockpit of the helicopter, immediately causing the entire crew to overdose and crash the helicopter. That's all I can remember---and it may have been a story posted here from way back when I first joined. Anyone else have any recollection of this? Just curious......


ZK

[Voyager]

As for the death from the opioid overdose, it's really painless and very pleasent.
I used to overdose on Heroin a few times, stopped breathing for 2 minutes. Luckily there were my friends who brought me back to consciousness.
But it was very pleasent. I just faded away and FORGOT, simply forgot, to breathe.
I just started seeing pictures from the most beautifull moments of my life, and I was feeling like I was in heaven.
I gues that the death from the opioides is one of the most pleasent deaths in the world.
The poeple who decide to kill themselves should use opioides to do that. It's really painless and very nice.

What a hell are we talking about, lol !

[ZodiacKiller]

As for the death from the opioid overdose, it's really painless and very pleasent.
I used to overdose on Heroin a few times, stopped breathing for 2 minutes. Luckily there were my friends who brought me back to consciousness.
But it was very pleasent. I just faded away and FORGOT, simply forgot, to breathe.
I just started seeing pictures from the most beautifull moments of my life, and I was feeling like I was in heaven.
I gues that the death from the opioides is one of the most pleasent deaths in the world.
The poeple who decide to kill themselves should use opioides to do that. It's really painless and very nice.

What a hell are we talking about, lol !

Well, my friend, I've always heard the same thing. I guess if I had to pick----that would be the way I'd wanna go, don't you think?

ZK

[DreamSellerInc]

I've always contended that death by ODing Opiates would be the best death. Either that or a plane crash.

And THEN when I read about the helicopter crew, I got jealous. Perfecto. Died in a big fuckin ball of flames while in Opioheaven. :jumping-s

Reading about etorphine and carfentanil really kicks my imagination into high gear. Of course I'd do some. Carefully of course.

[More Feen]

There's probably some fucked-up dealer out there who is going to cut his H with etorphine instead of fentanyl.

Now instead of 20 OD in the metropolitan area, there's gonna be hundreds.

MF

[bronyraur]

I usedta bang it using a gigantic five piece glass and brass antique rig that held 5cc's, which I'd fill up completely with etorphine.. it's the pause that refreshes.

Seriously, Yea I actually heard of that stuff. Most elephants I know look down on 'phants who need to bang more than 100mg of pure pharmaceutical oxymorphone. But then you get these snobby types who stay off by themselves banging immobilon every hour on the hour.

"Fucking faggot Indian elephant can't handle his Immobilon.. look at him puking."

"Haw haw.. jerkoff--- I think you forgot your Wheaties this morning." Aside: "Hit me willya Bob."

"Chipping faggot couldn't hit ivory with the space shuttle."

I liked the elephant jokes and shit, but is the "faggot" stuff really necessary?

We've had some issues around here lately in regards to racial/sexual slurs...

[northernstar]

Anyone has an etorphine synthesis? I'd be willing to boot 50mcg.

lol try nanograms :P
theres a report of it being really kick ass...some elephant vets had access to it for a while...it comes with "super narcane" as a antidote in case you scratch yourself.

so this dude would 1 drop of the diluted elephant dart solution into a mason jar full of water then stir the crap out of it....then he would put the head if a pin in the water and scratch his arm......and be high for hours.....plus the intesity was such that it was beyond what would kill you of heroin to get the same effect......it was the best thing ever. the withdrawls were corrispondingly ass-kicking however......

google "future drugs of abuse" by Shulgin for a basic formula and synthesis....its on the erowid or rhodium archive i think. be prepared to scroll along ways tho.......he covers everything.

thebaine is really close to it...its made from it. basicly u need to do a "dies-alder adduct" reaction with methyl vinyl ketone and thebaine to yeild thevinol......o-demethylation yeilds orvinols of which etorphine is. essentialy your knocking side-chains off the thebain molecule.

a few years ago i tried to start a etorphine syth thread/ thebaine extraction thread but not much enthusism. if it still exists theres some good thebaine extraction info in it. if your really intersted look up growing P.Bractcides, and books by Kenneth W. Bently the guy you invented the shit, along with most of the semisythetic opioids we use today :P

[Boudica]

Now that, was a very informative post, thank ya. Made even a "chemistry challanged" individual like me perk up and take interest. The concentration is what blows my mind. That is even less than the straight-up LSD from back in the late 60's to 70's, and that is both a very adventurous and a very dangerous thing. It would be up to the individual, whethor or not, to make that choice. I don't have that many "adventures" left in me, so I would probable choose to do it, albeit with the Monstro-Antidote readily available, someone highly skilled in CPR, and someone who know EXACTLY how to administer that come-back-ta-life-immediately stuff.

With that said, and thought out (somewhat), yep. I'd give 'er a go.

I would also give learning more about chemistry a real effort, if I could find someone that would explain these things to me as though I am a very smart 4-yr-old. I've picked up the books, been to all the sites, and I don't know wtf I'm doin'.

I strongly feel that we should have a forum, just for learning about chemistry (opiate-related, naturally). LIke, "The Chem 101 to Advanced Synthesis of Everything You Can Possible Imagine Forum". With, of course, a sub-forum, for the chemically-challanged dumbass. You know. For people like me, but does want to learn, and not have to feel like a moron for asking questions.

[Indy]

I think the chemistry forum fits your description pretty well. As for a 'simple' and 'basic' version, well, there really isn't much you can do without at least a high school to basic college level chemistry knowledge when it comes to opiates.

http://forum.opiophile.org/forumdisplay.php?f=44

[Boudica]

I think the chemistry forum fits your description pretty well. As for a 'simple' and 'basic' version, well, there really isn't much you can do without at least a high school to basic college level chemistry knowledge when it comes to opiates.

http://forum.opiophile.org/forumdisplay.php?f=44

Indy! Indy! I've got ONE, count 'um, one year of HS Chemistry, woo hoo! However, I had just come to the US from an irish-gaelic speaking community, and didn't understand a fookin' word the teach said in class.

I also ditched most days, as I'd learned to surf within one week of arrivin' here, and I found it a much more valuable use of me time and energy. I still think that way, but I am no longer 14. This is troublesome, at times, to be sure.

I do find chemistry very interesting, though. It holds me attention,and I find meself truely wanting to learn, and wandering through the "Sciences" section at Border's.

Oh, and btw, everytime you try to make me look dumb, by being a smartass (yes, I already know there IS a chem forum. I've been here for over 3 yrs, counting lurking), you just come off as, well....a smartass. But I like you anyway, so I will let you do it this ONE time, ok?

However, I think that posting the link to the forum was a BIT much, ya think? I am a good student, and use the resources here constantly. It's like having encyclopedias for dopers. I, though, am not a doper, and I am not in denial, and I will deny being a doper, and I will deny being in denial on a continuous basis. Take this as a 'given', when reading any of my posts. Especially when I have insomnia.

[Indy]

I'll confess to being a smartass, but i wasn't trying to make you look dumb. The way you said you wished there was a forum dedicated to chemistry,"I strongly feel that we should have a forum, just for learning about chemistry" it just sounded to me like you didn't know about it. Hell i didn't know there was a withdrawal subcategory til a few months after i joined.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Yea WOW- I sure didn't see Indy trying to make you look dumb or being a smartass AT ALL, in his post. It was just a straight forward reply, the link I took as trying to be helpful.

[SynthMorph]

Anyone have a step by step process of turning thebaine into etorphine or anything good for that matter? I was reading acetylated thebaine yields acetylthebaol and apparently it's not toxic like regular thebaine and has good analgesic properties.

[Boudica]

I'll confess to being a smartass, but i wasn't trying to make you look dumb. The way you said you wished there was a forum dedicated to chemistry,"I strongly feel that we should have a forum, just for learning about chemistry" it just sounded to me like you didn't know about it. Hell i didn't know there was a withdrawal subcategory til a few months after i joined.



Dear Indy, don't ya know by now when I'm just engaging in snappy repartee with ya? I love interactin' wit ya in conversation. Did I NOT say to you just days ago, how simply, and elegantly you had stated something of value. I pointed you for that one, it was so well said.

I am truely a very, sorry lass, if I offended you in any way at all. I shall refrain from engaging with ya when I've not slept in a few nights. Bad, pain attack. Makes me addle-brained, too. I need sleep. I need this med we've been discussin' here - the "elephant" dose.

Nity nite, Indy. Forgive me this one, would ya?

[Indy]

Heh, i wasn't upset at all, just wanted to make sure you didn't see me as a jerk or anything. sorry if i interpreted it wrong