Question about Norco

[Simply Gone]

I notice that Norco's feel differently then vicodin (not as good), even though Norco seems to be just vicodin (hydrocodene) but it just has less apap. Why could this be? I've read that the lack of tylenol could account for that but that's kinda retarded, since the good stuff is in the hydrocodene. I am also wondering if the CWE would be the same for Norco as it is for Vicodin. I notice these red little dots in the pill, I don't know what they are and I don't know how they'll be relevant if I play around with CWE.

[rockbottom]

i have the oppisite feeling. norcos feel better to me than same ammt. vicodiene with apap

[Ludakris]

i have the oppisite feeling. norcos feel better to me than same ammt. vicodiene with apap

Yup, I've had the same experience...one of those little, yellow, 10/325's seems to hit better than 2 of the 7.5/750 ES's. (of course, this was many moons ago when I COULD feel one of the 10/325's)

[LorTabitha]

I'm one of those strange people who needs some APAP to feel the hydrocodone. Don't know why, but it's always been that way. I can even fool myself for a few hours by taking straight tylenol after running out of hydrocodone.

[marshalldylan1]

I'm one of those strange people who needs some APAP to feel the hydrocodone. Don't know why, but it's always been that way. I can even fool myself for a few hours by taking straight tylenol after running out of hydrocodone.
I have a friend who does this, everytime she doses with hydrocodone she has to take extra APAP. She always has to have some excedrin with her Lorcets.

I dunno why, but i guess she isn't alone

[StaffWriter]

^^I agree with LorTabitha. I have always enjoyed Lorcets over Lortab or Norco. Sometimes I will take some regular tylenol at work and "feel" them kick in. The same feeling I get on a Lorcet come up. Then of course it goes away. When I take OC's or something with no tylenol in them, I will pop some extra tylenol with them to get the same kinda high I'm used to. And maybe that's what it is. I'm used to the Lorcet high. I always thought I was weird. My liver will never forgive me, though.

[Ludakris]

^^I agree with LorTabitha. I have always enjoyed Lorcets over Lortab or Norco. Sometimes I will take some regular tylenol at work and "feel" them kick in. The same feeling I get on a Lorcet come up. Then of course it goes away. When I take OC's or something with no tylenol in them, I will pop some extra tylenol with them to get the same kinda high I'm used to. And maybe that's what it is. I'm used to the Lorcet high. I always thought I was weird. My liver will never forgive me, though.

I really wonder how much of this is psychological. It seems chemically impossible that APAP would alter a "high" in any way...I understand it would help with analgesia, but not with the "happy feeling".

Yet, I've heard time and time again that people need there liver-b-gone. Weird.

[clinton]

is there really a difference in name brand vs generic?
is that possible?
i wouldnt know,just asking.

[bigNasty]

I really wonder how much of this is psychological. It seems chemically impossible that APAP would alter a "high" in any way...I understand it would help with analgesia, but not with the "happy feeling".

Yet, I've heard time and time again that people need there liver-b-gone. Weird.
I've never understood this either but ALOT of people are like that. I have a guy that trades me his 10/325's for my 7.5/650's. I think he's an idiot for doing it but people swear by the APAP i guess.

[Black_Pony]

I notice that Norco's feel differently then vicodin (not as good), even though Norco seems to be just vicodin (hydrocodene) but it just has less apap. Why could this be? I've read that the lack of tylenol could account for that but that's kinda retarded, since the good stuff is in the hydrocodene. I am also wondering if the CWE would be the same for Norco as it is for Vicodin. I notice these red little dots in the pill, I don't know what they are and I don't know how they'll be relevant if I play around with CWE.

That is weird, to me at least. I personally can't tell the difference between dosing norcos (10/325) or the same dose using 10/750's. So I guess it doesn't potentiate for me, or whatever's going on. I suppose if you're in pain and the extra APAP is helpful for that you'd go for the ones with more APAP, but my deal is just a junky thing, so physical pain isn't a concern I share. But like everyone else said, you could always just dose some straight acetaminophen along with the Norcos to get the job done. In fact I pretty much prefer that method of medicating. What I mean by that is I would prefer to get scripted each of my meds in a separate pill, each with just one active ingredient as opposed to a convenient pill that contains all my prescriptions at once in a single pill. That way I have more control over the levels of each substance I got going on inside of me. For example I even take it so far as to buy separate cold medicines as in a box of pseudoephed, a bottle of cough syrup, tylenol, and/or ibuprofen, and a box of sleep aid. I like hat better than just having a bottle of Nyquil that contains all of the above, and then I can take each one as necessary according o the severity of my cold systems.

Well anyway thats how I feel in those regards, unfortunately its not convenient to actually go that route in real life. Buying more 'all in one' pills save people money on their scripts (even if someone has insurance, you still gotta cough up an extra $25 copay per script). Not to mention they say hydrocodone gets mixed in with APAP to avoid a CII classification. But I'm just rambling on about my perfect world scenario. :)

CWE should work the same for all hydro formulations, APAP or not. Most of the pill's volume is neither hydro or tylenol in both cases. And the solubility of APAP in cold water is constant (low), so either way you'll have the same amount of APAP in your CWE dose regardless (not very much at all, low solubility).

But like WC said, I wouldn't run a CWE for only 3 pills. The APAP in 3 pills is like what, as much as taking 4 tylenol? Not worth it IMO. And like you said, you inevitably lose at least SOME hydro after CWE which you dont want to do in this case. I use CWE all the time, and I'll usually go somewhere around a dozen norcos per dose, and thats an APAP bomb on your liver you dont want. But then again I just ate 6 5/500's at once the other day when I was sick and didnt care about CWE, so I suppose I'm just reckless in general. :rolleyes:

Clinton: I've never 'noticed' any difference, but they say generics don't offer the same steadfast consistency of ingredients as brand name. I can't say if thats actually the case or not, myself I always thought most generic products in general get manufactured right alongside their brand counterparts and just get sold for less via bulk contracts. That might not be so for pills, but regardless the pharm companies encourages folks to buy from them for the 'peace of mind knowing you have a quality product.' Who knows..

[LorTabitha]

Back when I first started taking Tylenol, I couldn't swallow pills (those were the days!!!) and I drank the liquid stuff that kind of had a minty/alcohol flavor/feel.

Later on, when I could swallow the pills, they still gave me that alcohol feeling (?!) and when I started taking hydrocodone/apap it was even more intense. It persists to this day. No clue as to why!

[StaffWriter]

I really wonder how much of this is psychological. It seems chemically impossible that APAP would alter a "high" in any way...I understand it would help with analgesia, but not with the "happy feeling".

Yet, I've heard time and time again that people need there liver-b-gone. Weird.

It very well may be psychological, but the first time I noticed a funny tylenol kick-in was at work and was not thinking about hydros at all. It just sorta "happened". My best friend also agrees with this and will take a supplement dose of tylenol when using the low to no tylenol formulations of hydro and oxy. Or like I said before, I may be used to associating Lorcet high with the excessive tylenol content, therefore any reactions I may have to tylenol just reminds me of loading my stomach up with 5,000mg of tylenol when taking the Lorcets. dunno....

[the0ne]

is there really a difference in name brand vs generic?
is that possible?
i wouldnt know,just asking.
I've noticed a slight difference between watsons and the M's and V's. I'm not positive but I think the watsons are the same as name brand norcos. They have the same effect on me as the brand name, and the color and size of the pills are identical.
I know a lot of people who will not buy or fill scripts if they aren't watsons. If you pay cash for your scripts and like the apap, its cheaper buying the loretabs than norcos.
The only hydrocodones I've seen with pink dots are the 7.5's. I only like apap when I take roxis because for some reason potentiates them for me.

[Suboxstitute]

Wow, that is really weird that people need their "liver be gone" (that's funny) but apap is NOT funny.

Aren't the 10/325s (if that is what you have) lortabs and not norcos? Just want to make sure I have my hydro types down pat.And if one more person says "loritabs" in my lifetime I will shoot them. The person, not the loritabs.

I don't think anyone did on this thread, so you're all safe.

For 325s (which is what started me down the path) if I was taking 5-6 a day I never worried about CWE. Now once a person gets up to 20-30-ish you really should.... and it happens REAL fast, too.

Then you gotta go the next step (oxy) and all of a sudden your family is standing around and you're on suboxone and stuck seeing a counselor.

oh, for those early days when 3 of the 10/325s make me as happy as a little clam and as energetic as a... squid. (they move fast, I tell ya, they do!)

Sue

[Ludakris]

Wow, that is really weird that people need their "liver be gone" (that's funny) but apap is NOT funny.

Aren't the 10/325s (if that is what you have) lortabs and not norcos? Just want to make sure I have my hydro types down pat.And if one more person says "loritabs" in my lifetime I will shoot them. The person, not the loritabs.

I don't think anyone did on this thread, so you're all safe.

For 325s (which is what started me down the path) if I was taking 5-6 a day I never worried about CWE. Now once a person gets up to 20-30-ish you really should.... and it happens REAL fast, too.

Then you gotta go the next step (oxy) and all of a sudden your family is standing around and you're on suboxone and stuck seeing a counselor.

oh, for those early days when 3 of the 10/325s make me as happy as a little clam and as energetic as a... squid. (they move fast, I tell ya, they do!)

Sue


Well, given the originator of the thread called it hydrocodene my guess is that "Norco" is just the popular reference

And for the record, I never have, and never will say "Loritab" (though it does have a nice ring, like hydrocontin)