Etorphin......anyone ever hear of it?

[sidman]

Well, it's 1000 times the strength of morphine and when it is used to "tranquilize" an elephant,it only takes an intramuscular shot(dart gun administered) of 5 mg's!!! For wild elephant's they use 10-15 mg's.....but anyway's, I learned of it through a veterinarian that I know. Did any of you know that the drug's they give animals are (not ALL of them....SOME of them!!) the SAME they give human's? They use different name's that is all!! Shit, I figured it only makes sense because they TEST new drug's on animal's anyway's!! so of course some of them would be the same,right? How CRAZY man!!
So my veterinarian buddy tell's me he use's it to "tranquilze" horses ( only 2 mg's for horsie's!!) and it is wayyy controlled by the D.E.A.!!! In other word's only veterinarian's and zookeeper's or similar,can lay hand's on it. So, he was tellin' me that what he was doing was taking a regular sewing needing(a long one) and he would dip it into the bottle, then he would take the neele and just SCRATCH his arm with it and get WASTED!! But he also said it is very dangerous(obviously,right?!) stuff and that gettin' a habit on that stuff can be the worst you can do to yourself because,once you get hooked on it.....then no other opiate will do it for you!! Isn't that some crazy shit? He also said Two drops in a gallon of kool-aid makes some potent brew....one shot's all you need!! Fucking WHOA!!And you KNOW that I'm dyin' to ask him to "let me try!!! PLEASE,pleasepleaseplease?!!?", but I won't ask him.........YET!!
So, isn't it interesting that veterians prescribe opiate's and benzo's to animal's, they just put it under a different name,so(they THINK) you wouldn't know!! Valium is commonly and easily gotten through the vet to keep a hyperactive dog in check........"easy boy.....eeeeeasy!!! ha ha!!"
If I didn't love animal's, (which I do.....very much) I would beat the living shit outta the dog every month or so and bring 'im the the vet for some med's man!! Or "accidently" shoot the family wabbit and bring it to the vet when it's on it's last thread and then INSIST that "we cant put Petey down Doc!! We just gotta save Petey!!"......then go home ,take Petey's med's, and give him a couple 'cuz he's gonna need it when I skin his ass for the wabbit stew, man!! "Thank's for the med's Petey!!" ( this is ALL just kidding okay?!....I would NEVER do this shit...really!!)
So, anybody got some Idea's on how to bullshit the vet without hurtin' any animal's?

[antony]

I would beat the living shit outta the dog every month or so and bring 'im the the vet for some med's man

HAH! That was the funniest fucking thing I've heard all day. I love animals too but sometimes, your imagination can get the best of you.:D

[THEPAINTER1960]

Well, it's 1000 times the strength of morphine and when it is used to "tranquilize" an elephant,it only takes an intramuscular shot(dart gun administered) of 5 mg's!!! For wild elephant's they use 10-15 mg's.....but anyway's, I learned of it through a veterinarian that I know. Did any of you know that the drug's they give animals are (not ALL of them....SOME of them!!) the SAME they give human's? They use different name's that is all!! Shit, I figured it only makes sense because they TEST new drug's on animal's anyway's!! so of course some of them would be the same,right? How CRAZY man!!
So my veterinarian buddy tell's me he use's it to "tranquilze" horses ( only 2 mg's for horsie's!!) and it is wayyy controlled by the D.E.A.!!! In other word's only veterinarian's and zookeeper's or similar,can lay hand's on it. So, he was tellin' me that what he was doing was taking a regular sewing needing(a long one) and he would dip it into the bottle, then he would take the neele and just SCRATCH his arm with it and get WASTED!! But he also said it is very dangerous(obviously,right?!) stuff and that gettin' a habit on that stuff can be the worst you can do to yourself because,once you get hooked on it.....then no other opiate will do it for you!! Isn't that some crazy shit? He also said Two drops in a gallon of kool-aid makes some potent brew....one shot's all you need!! Fucking WHOA!!And you KNOW that I'm dyin' to ask him to "let me try!!! PLEASE,pleasepleaseplease?!!?", but I won't ask him.........YET!!
So, isn't it interesting that veterians prescribe opiate's and benzo's to animal's, they just put it under a different name,so(they THINK) you wouldn't know!! Valium is commonly and easily gotten through the vet to keep a hyperactive dog in check........"easy boy.....eeeeeasy!!! ha ha!!"
If I didn't love animal's, (which I do.....very much) I would beat the living shit outta the dog every month or so and bring 'im the the vet for some med's man!! Or "accidently" shoot the family wabbit and bring it to the vet when it's on it's last thread and then INSIST that "we cant put Petey down Doc!! We just gotta save Petey!!"......then go home ,take Petey's med's, and give him a couple 'cuz he's gonna need it when I skin his ass for the wabbit stew, man!! "Thank's for the med's Petey!!" ( this is ALL just kidding okay?!....I would NEVER do this shit...really!!)
So, anybody got some Idea's on how to bullshit the vet without hurtin' any animal's?
My guess with an animal that big i would say it had to be something related to FENTAYNAL.

[caesee]

back before k was on the "hotlist" swiw used to get vials from a local vet me knew for 15$ (american yellow label keteset) for a while then the vet, found out what it was being used for and stopped...i was suprised he didnt know when swim would spend 500$ a time..

[dissident]

yeah... that's kinds true, except for a hyper dog they wont give you valium they'll give you something called acepromazine which works great to calm down dogs and cats but would give a human a seizure..

the only real thing you could plan on scoring as a prescription from a vet would be tussigon or hycodan for a bad cough for a dog, or maybe tramadol for serious pain.

duragesic, morphine, hydromorphone, versed, diazepam, ketamine can all be found in the safe at an animal hospital. i've worked at many animal hospitals as a tech and im a vet school drop out:)

as for bullshitting the vet, you could try saying the dog has a really bad cough, or TRY saying the dog has seizures... they'll probably give you phenobarbitol, but some could give you valium i guess...

if an old cat absolutly wont eat sometimes they'll prescribe valium as an appetite stimulant but not for hyperactivity-
some doctors i know are fairly liberal with prescribing hydrocodone for coughs, but it is becoming more of a pain in the ass for doctors to deal with controlled drugs so you'll likely get something like butorphanol (ew)

also, for post-operative pain we used to send home buprenex mixed with karo-syrup in needleless syringes but that is not common

tramadol is just now becoming popular among vets for orthopedic related pain

[katomic]

I thort it only bined to kappa recepters like salvia, intresting stuff mmmmm Etorphin

and your post dissident now whers that fuckin wining old cat;)

[blahblahblah]

They do give dogs Valium I have taken some of my friends dog's Valium before [yea, yea, whatever], before the dog got switched onto doggie prozac, no shit. If you think the dog had issues you should have seen the family, lol.

Although your right 'dissident' the tend to give out acepromazine but it sure didnt give me a seizure when I took it. It was basically a knock out drug similar in function as Trazadone or Seroquel. I used it a few times in opiate w/d craving for sleep an never had an ill effects off it and its is not recreational. So dont go out there popping your dogs acepromazine kids unless you want to sleep and even than research it, as what was fine for me might be hell for you.

[defenestrate]

one of the dogs i grew up with definately was on valium for anxiety toward the end of her life. i think it just said diazepam on the bottle, not valium, but same difference.

[Opiyum]

I've had yet another brilliant idea(I'm gonna pay for that comment for sure)!

Why dont all you renegade chemists out there learn how to make Etorphine at home. Then you could sell it...what four fluid ounces?.. to all us junkies out there and we would never need anything for the rest of our innebriated lives. This of course would be bad news for all the dealers out there but who cares. Not me because I'm not a dealer.

So what do ya say Black market? You've been making money by pushing opiates and oids for long enough dont ya think? You can still have Hallucinagens, prostitution, the slave trade, amphetamines, and who knows maybe some day you'll get another shot at Alcohol.

Why dont people make this stuff? Do you need an insane amount of raw product or something? Is it just extremely hard to make? What's the deal?

[shaunclo]

I've had yet another brilliant idea(I'm gonna pay for that comment for sure)!

Why dont all you renegade chemists out there learn how to make Etorphine at home. Then you could sell it...what four fluid ounces?.. to all us junkies out there and we would never need anything for the rest of our innebriated lives. This of course would be bad news for all the dealers out there but who cares. Not me because I'm not a dealer.

So what do ya say Black market? You've been making money by pushing opiates and oids for long enough dont ya think? You can still have Hallucinagens, prostitution, the slave trade, amphetamines, and who knows maybe some day you'll get another shot at Alcohol.

Why dont people make this stuff? Do you need an insane amount of raw product or something? Is it just extremely hard to make? What's the deal?

If it was that easy to make than I believe it wouldve been done by now, but who knows. Is Heroin hard to make, I dont know, and Im sure as hell not gonna try.

Another product I believe is for vets is Wildnil, its an analogue of Fentanyl and somewhere like 100 or 1,000 times stronger. I believe you can get it in Mexico.

[Mokelly]

wow, that's actually a good idea! Right on, opiyum, right on...

[jacky]

I believe etorphin is a oripavine "type" opioid, I think that there are precursors to oripavine found in nature, even in some medicinal species of plants.
perhaps some precursor to an oripavine is just waiting for a humans liver to jump into to experience enlightenment to a more potent bioactive opioid...
I think that several poppy species BESIDES p. somniferum are good candidates. I will grow them, eat them, and let you know.

I also think that it is possible that thebaine might metabolize into an oripavine compound when consumed by some people...judging by the insane potency of some poppy seeds that I have met.

[johnny27]

I've had yet another brilliant idea(I'm gonna pay for that comment for sure)!

Why dont all you renegade chemists out there learn how to make Etorphine at home. Then you could sell it...what four fluid ounces?.. to all us junkies out there and we would never need anything for the rest of our innebriated lives. This of course would be bad news for all the dealers out there but who cares. Not me because I'm not a dealer.

So what do ya say Black market? You've been making money by pushing opiates and oids for long enough dont ya think? You can still have Hallucinagens, prostitution, the slave trade, amphetamines, and who knows maybe some day you'll get another shot at Alcohol.

Why dont people make this stuff? Do you need an insane amount of raw product or something? Is it just extremely hard to make? What's the deal?

TBH i think you would want a proper lab. Etrophine making is dangerous, when manufactored pure, even a drop so small thats its not visable to the eye, could very well kill you if it splashed on any skin. Same sorta thing with fetanyl, and remeber hoffman, same happened to him, a small amount (micrograms) landed on his skin and the first man to experience LSD.

[shaunclo]

and remeber hoffman, same happened to him, a small amount (micrograms) landed on his skin and the first man to experience LSD.

Could you fuckin imagine, all of a sudden with no warnings whatsoever, your in LSD land. Talk about some crazy trip.

[IamAnOpiate]

etorphine (aka M99) is an extremely potent semi-synthetic opioid agonist synthesized from the well known and liked thebaine. as mentioned before, because of its extreme potency it is used only in the immobilization of large animals. interestingly enough, there is another chemical, called diprenorphine (aka M5050) which is an extremely potent opioid antagonist that is used with etorphine to reverse its effects. it takes about the same amount of diprenorphine to reverse the effects of etorphine.

if you get your hands on some etorphine make sure you have a nice supply of naloxone handy, heh.

[northernstar]

Well, it's 1000 times the strength of morphine and when it is used to "tranquilize" an elephant,it only takes an intramuscular shot(dart gun administered) of 5 mg's!!! For wild elephant's they use 10-15 mg's.....but anyway's, I learned of it through a veterinarian that I know. Did any of you know that the drug's they give animals are (not ALL of them....SOME of them!!) the SAME they give human's? They use different name's that is all!! Shit, I figured it only makes sense because they TEST new drug's on animal's anyway's!! so of course some of them would be the same,right? How CRAZY man!!
So my veterinarian buddy tell's me he use's it to "tranquilze" horses ( only 2 mg's for horsie's!!) and it is wayyy controlled by the D.E.A.!!! In other word's only veterinarian's and zookeeper's or similar,can lay hand's on it. So, he was tellin' me that what he was doing was taking a regular sewing needing(a long one) and he would dip it into the bottle, then he would take the neele and just SCRATCH his arm with it and get WASTED!! But he also said it is very dangerous(obviously,right?!) stuff and that gettin' a habit on that stuff can be the worst you can do to yourself because,once you get hooked on it.....then no other opiate will do it for you!! Isn't that some crazy shit? He also said Two drops in a gallon of kool-aid makes some potent brew....one shot's all you need!! Fucking WHOA!!And you KNOW that I'm dyin' to ask him to "let me try!!! PLEASE,pleasepleaseplease?!!?", but I won't ask him.........YET!!
So, isn't it interesting that veterians prescribe opiate's and benzo's to animal's, they just put it under a different name,so(they THINK) you wouldn't know!! Valium is commonly and easily gotten through the vet to keep a hyperactive dog in check........"easy boy.....eeeeeasy!!! ha ha!!"
If I didn't love animal's, (which I do.....very much) I would beat the living shit outta the dog every month or so and bring 'im the the vet for some med's man!! Or "accidently" shoot the family wabbit and bring it to the vet when it's on it's last thread and then INSIST that "we cant put Petey down Doc!! We just gotta save Petey!!"......then go home ,take Petey's med's, and give him a couple 'cuz he's gonna need it when I skin his ass for the wabbit stew, man!! "Thank's for the med's Petey!!" ( this is ALL just kidding okay?!....I would NEVER do this shit...really!!)
So, anybody got some Idea's on how to bullshit the vet without hurtin' any animal's?




ahhh something ive been interested in a while. there was a home synthacation bust last year in wyoming that i suspect was etorphine related. the info i read in my almanac was the following:
p.somiferium yeilds paparvine, codine,morphine and thebaine. the "thebaine poppy" which is p.bresticides is almost unknown , and heavily controlled by the dea-pharm corps. this poppy sap/straw yeilds thebaine, which is coverted into etorphine. from here the narcane is also produced, along with some chemicals called the "bently compounds". the parm corps use these "bently compounds" to make most semi-synthetic opiods such as oxycontin, vicodin,ect. this was all in the 95' information please almanac. i have been trying to learn more about these poppys/chemicals but have not been very sucessful. if anyone knows more i would like to know more.

[Phluck]

Sounds like carfentanyl... a super potent fentanyl derivative.

[northernstar]

yeah... that's kinds true, except for a hyper dog they wont give you valium they'll give you something called acepromazine which works great to calm down dogs and cats but would give a human a seizure..

the only real thing you could plan on scoring as a prescription from a vet would be tussigon or hycodan for a bad cough for a dog, or maybe tramadol for serious pain.

duragesic, morphine, hydromorphone, versed, diazepam, ketamine can all be found in the safe at an animal hospital. i've worked at many animal hospitals as a tech and im a vet school drop out:)

as for bullshitting the vet, you could try saying the dog has a really bad cough, or TRY saying the dog has seizures... they'll probably give you phenobarbitol, but some could give you valium i guess...

if an old cat absolutly wont eat sometimes they'll prescribe valium as an appetite stimulant but not for hyperactivity-
some doctors i know are fairly liberal with prescribing hydrocodone for coughs, but it is becoming more of a pain in the ass for doctors to deal with controlled drugs so you'll likely get something like butorphanol (ew)

also, for post-operative pain we used to send home buprenex mixed with karo-syrup in needleless syringes but that is not common

tramadol is just now becoming popular among vets for orthopedic related pain


Why the ewww about butorphanol? does it suck ass? that gay killer that put the chick in the suitcase in NYC was hooked on the nasal spray of the stuff ( stadol). its supposedly equal to morphine......is it a waste of time, shitty high?
oh, theres that petmeds.com......could you order it for your "dog" over the phone or is there some kind of pet-perscription system in place....

[chemboy7]

Why the ewww about butorphanol? does it suck ass? that gay killer that put the chick in the suitcase in NYC was hooked on the nasal spray of the stuff ( stadol). its supposedly equal to morphine......is it a waste of time, shitty high?
oh, theres that petmeds.com......could you order it for your "dog" over the phone or is there some kind of pet-perscription system in place....

Yeah, it's definately a waste of time and "ewww" is a good term to use in describing it. Run either Stadol or Butorphanol through the search engine, there is a thread that outlines it pretty well. :)

[SirDonkeyPunch]

< www.zoopharm.net/products.php >i beleive thats the site, etorphin is made by them and so is wildnil also called ceintifil citrate or something like that. they have a lot of information and funny little tables telling how much of the drug will bring a black bear crawling to its knees.

[northernstar]

Well, it's 1000 times the strength of morphine and when it is used to "tranquilize" an elephant,it only takes an intramuscular shot(dart gun administered) of 5 mg's!!! For wild elephant's they use 10-15 mg's.....but anyway's, I learned of it through a veterinarian that I know. Did any of you know that the drug's they give animals are (not ALL of them....SOME of them!!) the SAME they give human's? They use different name's that is all!! Shit, I figured it only makes sense because they TEST new drug's on animal's anyway's!! so of course some of them would be the same,right? How CRAZY man!!
So my veterinarian buddy tell's me he use's it to "tranquilze" horses ( only 2 mg's for horsie's!!) and it is wayyy controlled by the D.E.A.!!! In other word's only veterinarian's and zookeeper's or similar,can lay hand's on it. So, he was tellin' me that what he was doing was taking a regular sewing needing(a long one) and he would dip it into the bottle, then he would take the neele and just SCRATCH his arm with it and get WASTED!! But he also said it is very dangerous(obviously,right?!) stuff and that gettin' a habit on that stuff can be the worst you can do to yourself because,once you get hooked on it.....then no other opiate will do it for you!! Isn't that some crazy shit? He also said Two drops in a gallon of kool-aid makes some potent brew....one shot's all you need!! Fucking WHOA!!And you KNOW that I'm dyin' to ask him to "let me try!!! PLEASE,pleasepleaseplease?!!?", but I won't ask him.........YET!!
So, isn't it interesting that veterians prescribe opiate's and benzo's to animal's, they just put it under a different name,so(they THINK) you wouldn't know!! Valium is commonly and easily gotten through the vet to keep a hyperactive dog in check........"easy boy.....eeeeeasy!!! ha ha!!"
If I didn't love animal's, (which I do.....very much) I would beat the living shit outta the dog every month or so and bring 'im the the vet for some med's man!! Or "accidently" shoot the family wabbit and bring it to the vet when it's on it's last thread and then INSIST that "we cant put Petey down Doc!! We just gotta save Petey!!"......then go home ,take Petey's med's, and give him a couple 'cuz he's gonna need it when I skin his ass for the wabbit stew, man!! "Thank's for the med's Petey!!" ( this is ALL just kidding okay?!....I would NEVER do this shit...really!!)
So, anybody got some Idea's on how to bullshit the vet without hurtin' any animal's?

http://opioids.com/etorphine/immobilon.html

heres directions on how to use brand name etorphine (immobilon)....seem that someone who took care of circus elephants....like a elephant dentist would have to use it......So if one knew the location, and had a buddy with a few sks's..........otherwise if a person had a pet elephant or rhino u could jack some while the doc was doing whatever...lol

i tried to start a thread on makeing it from thebaine, but no takers yet,lol

the shits real controled......u have to be a vetrinarian on the companys approved list, plus work with rhinos or elephants..lol

perhaps if someone contacted a vetrinarian in NIGERIA or KENYA and bribed them to order the stuff and resell to you........

[Hammilton]

Funy story about this stuff.

So, a chemist made this stuff up about 60 years ago- but he didn't know he made it, it was just some liquid at the time no tests were done on it, and I don't think he was finished working with the stuff at the time.

Anyway, some of the pharm company business types came down and wanted some coffee or tea, i forget. The guy who stirred in the sugar or cream made a big whoops and used the rod used to stir the etorphine. Minutes later, everyone was sleeping. No one died- thankfully- and there was a doctor on hand pretty quickly to monitor respiration. Bet they had a good time

[sidman]

If I got my hands on that stuff......I WOULD BE DEAD!!!
Thats fer sure!!!!!!!

[moviebuff927]

VERY hard to dose...EXTREMELY HARD to get...

That's one opiate I think I would have to unfortunately pass on. I WOULD kill myself, no question about it...and probably everyone who ever used it with any type of regularity (if they didn't overdose on it the first time).

If you think fentanyl is hard to gauge...you ain't seen nothing yet.

I used to work at a zoo...the automatic rifles were easier to get a hold of than this stuff. I think there was only one or two people allowed to even go near the stuff. A bunch of animals have died from this drug...one had to have a minor surgery (a lion getting his tail bobbed) and ended up dying. Very preventable death, but nonetheless a death. Goes to show even animals aren't immune to the drug.

I would have a hard time being coaxed to try this...

[Hammilton]

It's actually not that hard to dose. I mean, we're not talking about trying to get it out of patches and estimating what percentage you took out to figure out how much you have.

Anyone who has this stuff is getting it in bottles or in prefilled syringes.

It has an incredible safety profile; the dose-to-overdose ratio is extremely good for users.

[wafflehead77]

etorphine (aka M99) is an extremely potent semi-synthetic opioid agonist synthesized from the well known and liked thebaine. as mentioned before, because of its extreme potency it is used only in the immobilization of large animals. interestingly enough, there is another chemical, called diprenorphine (aka M5050) which is an extremely potent opioid antagonist that is used with etorphine to reverse its effects. it takes about the same amount of diprenorphine to reverse the effects of etorphine.

if you get your hands on some etorphine make sure you have a nice supply of naloxone handy, heh.

I doubt naloxone or naltrexone would be potent enough to displace a drug like etorphine or sufentanyl. Its some serious shit!!

[moviebuff927]

It's actually not that hard to dose. I mean, we're not talking about trying to get it out of patches and estimating what percentage you took out to figure out how much you have.

Anyone who has this stuff is getting it in bottles or in prefilled syringes.

It has an incredible safety profile; the dose-to-overdose ratio is extremely good for users.

Well, I guess I can see how you could dose it right since it is water soluble and you had pharmaceutical grade. It just takes so little (a drop in 2 gallons of water and you only need one shot?!?!) and it is so potent that just making the SMALLEST mistake could be fatal. And knowing me, I can't imagine something so potent so when I put a drop in a gallon of water I'm like "okay, that's not going to be enough" and end up killing myself. I can definately see why this drug is heavily controlled by the DEA. We would have people dropping dead left and right if this ever got on the streets.

And that just scares the hell out of me...too potent for my use. But that's me...

I hope I'm not the only one who realizes this is probably a GOOD thing that it's so tightly controlled. Come on, admit it: most of us would be a bunch of dead ducks if we ever got a hold of this stuff. Certainly there's people on here who are man enough to admit they couldn't use this responsibly...I'm definately one of them.

And that's my $.02

[Hammilton]

oh yeah, absolute. If it was ever to become a street drug there'd be a ton of dead junkies. Even with such a great safety profile, the difference between dose and overdose isn't 1mg (as I remember, mebbe I'm wrong).

My "easy to dose" understanding could never apply if there was a non-medical source of the stuff. with prefilled syringes (they'd have to be awfully tiny syringes- I bet my syringes are big enough that life and death would be the difference between the top of a line and the bottom- I sure as fuck don't feel good about risking my life on font-size ;) ).

I've got a feeling it's not very euphoric. Seems like it'd be more of a depressant than a euphoriant- based on my feelings about fentanyl, anyway. I mean, fentanyl is euphoric, but it's got a strong depressant side. I can only imagine that difference growing wider strong for something so much more potent.