Chipping questions?

[zombiewoof23]

This could almost be a subforum of "is chipping possible." I am always curious about researching different substances and getting my data from my own experience and from other's in the trenches. The question I have is from reading heroinhelper. The site states that only 1 out of 5 heroin users is actually addicted. Which I take is that 4 out of 5 are chippers. So this is where it would tie back to is chipping possible. That data would lead me to believe that chipping is more probable. I think that site actually provides a service from a safety standpoint, so I am not knocking it. IMO people who visit that site for information on using H, have already made up their mind before even going to the site. I am interested in getting others opinions' on that statistic. I've always been facinated with opiates and have lost friends to H, like many others. With that being said, I still feel that I am unbiased on the issue. I do realize that if somebody chooses to take something into their body, that is ultimately their choice. I know many factors come into play, like WD's, reason for usage, availability, etc. My question is more general, do you think the statistic is accurate.

[jab]

The reason is, chipping is very possible, up until you have (or admit to having) an addiction. Some percentage will be people who are lying/fooling themselves, and another portion the "up and comers". The numbers can be skewed many ways and interpreted many ways.

Thats my $0.02

[zombiewoof23]

The reason is, chipping is very possible, up until you have (or admit to having) an addiction. Some percentage will be people who are lying/fooling themselves, and another portion the "up and comers". The numbers can be skewed many ways and interpreted many ways.

Thats my $0.02

I think that is pretty accurate. The hhelper site is obviously biased more towards a proheroin standpoint. Studies can be manipulated for any cause, good or bad. I do think the human denial factor is probably right on. I've never experienced H to a strong degree, so I do not have the right to base an opinion with no personal experience. H is something I've always wanted to try and may have the chance here shortly when I go back and visit my home town. Like I said the best data is usually found in the trenches. My hometown is 9 hours away, so I don't think I'll be driving that everyday to try to get a fix or anything. If you IV H let's say once, is the comedown hard, or is it no big deal? How long do most people have to use it to start getting WD's?

[HistoryofMadness]

I think its important to note that the statement "1 of 5 heroin users is addicted" does not address whether the other have been addicted, will become addicted, etc.

For example, I've been a pre-addicted chipper, and then after I got clean, I've been a post-addicted chipper... so I'm an example of one of the other 4 that has been and may be again addicted...

In other words, the stat is a snapshot in time, but let the tape play and see how many end up addicted in the long run...

That may have made no sense... apologoies. Seemed more important and profound before I reread.. oh well.

-H

[antony]

I think just getting into a habit kinda nulls the chipping aspect of it, even if you do use on the weekends. I strictly was using hydro for hang overs and wouldn't drink without it, and eventually by monday, minor w/ds would start and didn't know what they were but after that my "habit" quickly grew exponetially sp? so its a pretty fucking hazy line thats drawn for a constant user and up and commer or what ever you want to call it

[zombiewoof23]

I think its important to note that the statement "1 of 5 heroin users is addicted" does not address whether the other have been addicted, will become addicted, etc.

For example, I've been a pre-addicted chipper, and then after I got clean, I've been a post-addicted chipper... so I'm an example of one of the other 4 that has been and may be again addicted...

In other words, the stat is a snapshot in time, but let the tape play and see how many end up addicted in the long run...

That may have made no sense... apologoies. Seemed more important and profound before I reread.. oh well.

-H

I think that makes perfect sense. I see exactly what you are saying. What about WD's, How long does an average user have to IV, before having to face WD's? I know this varies, so that's why I say average. Is the comedown hard after only one use?

[madnesscult]

I was a chipper for years up until last summer, and then it took about a week of using to get me sick...I used to do it pretty much every weekend, then for a while it was every few months...

[HistoryofMadness]

I think that makes perfect sense. I see exactly what you are saying. What about WD's, How long does an average user have to IV, before having to face WD's? I know this varies, so that's why I say average. Is the comedown hard after only one use?

Fuck I never saw this question or if I did I never came back to it... zombie my personal experience is 10 days for ex-addicts... that's an average though and it appears my latest tasting that went into the natural world brought different results...

kratom and somni tea have both given me the overwhelming sensation and gut feeling that they would acrue a tolerance more quickly, which in my case tolerance is always just on the heels of WD symptoms... I would give them no more than 5 days in a row... and lastly the light synthetics such as hydro I think could take up to 14 days...

If you are a non-addict, never have been, only meaning you've never had one no not one WD symptom, I'd say you have between 21 and 30 days, anything more than 30 days of solid daily, and multiple-daily, use would probably end up in WD.

All the above means that you use enough to get high, and then more days than not, you use more throughout the day to stay high, every day for the term.

These are just my opinions, based in experience.

[Phluck]

There's also people who aren't really chipping, and aren't really addicted... people that are psychologically addicted but don't have the access to get a full habit yet. There are some people who consider themselves addicts, and THINK they're dependant... but haven't yet felt real withdrawals yet.

I constantly hear people saying "Yeah, once I took some oxys 3 days in a row and then I got withdrawals the next day". I didn't get any real withdrawals until after around 3 months of daily use.

[shaunclo]

WOW, I must use like a son of a bitch then! Cause when I use, I can EASILY get a habit and go thru w/d's only after about 3-4 days of constant use. But when I use, I am constantly high, I get high on top of being high.

[Phluck]

Well, when coming back it's completely different. Now that I've already had a habit I can get withdrawals again pretty quickly, it's just the first time took quite a while. The people I'm talking about have never been serious opiate users, and I think they're confusing nausea/hangover from heavy use with withdrawal.