PCP -vs- Ketamine: Compare/ Contrast

[More Feen]

If there is anyone out there who has tried both of these chemicals (PCP & Ketamine) can you tell how their effects were similar and how they were different?

From an anesthesiology point of view, we are looking at two dissociative anesthetics, in the same family as Tiletamine and MK801. So one would think that their effects would be pretty-much similar.

Then again codeine & heroin are in the same chemical family, and while you can make some comparisons, there are some major, noticeable differences.

So if you have tried both, let us know how long each drug lasts, things that are similar to the two and things that are noticeably different.

For those of us who've only tried Ketamine, how close is that experience to the PCP?

Thanks,

MF

[Russellmeboy]

the highs are quite different to me anyways, its kinda hard to describe feelings the more i try to write about how it feels, it sounds to me like youve allready expermented with K so you can immagine being in a hole and dust is simmilar but less. more like a strong weed high with the dissasociate feeling of,"woah i feel fuzzy" and wtf are we about to do. but to me K has allways had a much more profound experience, last year some kids around here died off the "arm&hammer" bags cut with k. they were so fucking potent...best ive ever done, high for HOURS. ok sorry if that wasnt any help but im trying :-[ - Russell

[Papa Verine]

I used to use A lot of PCP and I've tried Ketamine a few times in recent years. Ketamine was A lot like PCP. I'm not sure if I can tell the difference in experiences with them. The last time I did Ketamine the hotel room I was in was set on fire while me and 3 friends watched from inside it and did nothing about it, as if we weren't really there., watching it on TV or something. The experience was A lot like past experiences with PCP, everything about it. This is one reason I feel lucky every day to be alive and not incarcerated.

[Thanat0s]

how about including dissacociative doses of DXM in the mix? i loved high dose dxm, have done a little K years and years ago and never once experienced PCP...
i am quite curious...

[SpecialGuy69]

a lot the same. The major differences are the hallmarks of the drugs - I've never been in a "hole" off PCP (like a K-hole). And PCP has a pretty unique sensation people call "spaceboots" - the ground feels almost spongy when you walk.

PCP is a little more hardcore, rougher edges, but a lot of that is probably due to the fact that PCP is illicitly manufactured while K is made in legit labs and diverted. PCP is a little scarier at times- Plenty of people can't handle PCP, but pretty much anyone can handle K. Again, a lot of that probably has to do with the mindset they have going into it- that PCP is this scary, super dangerous, hardcore drug that will make you fight cops or slice your big toe off.

[SHELLEY]

dust makes me angry and confused
while k makes me more calm and giggly but still confused

i only done pcp twice-
i don't like the ripples in my vision
and although i like the angy, i-can-do-anything-with-no-consequences feeling
it got me in trouble both times

[SHELLEY]

how about including dissacociative doses of DXM in the mix? i loved high dose dxm, have done a little K years and years ago and never once experienced PCP...
i am quite curious...

sorry to double post but...

what is dxm?
isn't that in cold medicine or am i wrong?
(i surely could be wrong on that one)

[SpecialGuy69]

sorry to double post but...

what is dxm?
isn't that in cold medicine or am i wrong?
(i surely could be wrong on that one)
yeah- its dextromethorphan - the same shit in Robotussin DM - remember robo-tripping? Its in the same class of drugs as K and PCP, but most people don't dig it (if it felt that good, it would be illegal, right?)

[eveline]

a lot the same. The major differences are the hallmarks of the drugs - I've never been in a "hole" off PCP (like a K-hole). And PCP has a pretty unique sensation people call "spaceboots" - the ground feels almost spongy when you walk.

Isn't that like the "robo walk" though?

I dunno, I have very limited dissociative experience. Did K once, and I am told I had a good time, but I kinda would have liked to have been there... :rolleyes:

[Papa Verine]

I'll never cut DXM down again. I've had a few excellent experiences with DXM. Kappa opioid agonist activity at it's best... It relieved my opiate W/D's and sent me to another place to enjoy it. I love the stuff... I need about 900mg to get there now but I can still chug the aweful syrup from the big bottle. I'm sorry folks, I just can't say anything bad about high doses of DXM. Great stuff!

[Seedy]

^^ Hmm, that almost makes me wanna give it another chance! From what I remember it just lasted too long for my liking. K on the other hand, up the nose and 10 minutes later you're walking like a robot, 10 minutes after that it's time to fall back into that amazing other dimension that is the K hole. 1 hour later and it's back to normal and time for another line. :)

[More Feen]

Oh definately there are other dissociatives, like the dextromethorphan (sp?), and Tiletamine in vetarinary clinics. Things like DXM have some activities at the kappa and sigma opioid receptors, I think.

The dissociative effect comes from blocking NMDA channels (does this tie-in with the sigma-receptor?).

They also provide protection against excitotoxic-effects in the brain. For those people who will develop Huntington's Chorea (can determine through genetic testing), the dissociatives anesthetics can offer some protection.

Since it is an autosomal-dominant condition (if you have the gene on either DNA strand, you will develop this condition), you could give small doses of Ketamine, PCP, DXM at night, before bed. If started early-enough in life, those few hours of protection would add up by the time that person is 40.

Maybe it would only offer the patient a few extra months, maybe even a few extra years of disease-free time--but I'm sure the patient would be thankful for it.

But I didn't mean to hi-jack my own thread.

I guess mind-set has a lot to do with the PCP & Ketamine experience. I'd like to experience the "spongy-floor" effects of PCP, unfortunately on Ketamine, I'm pretty-much immobile.

MF