04-29-2008, 11:28 PM
has anyone experimented with red clover? I read in a Chinese medical journal that this plant has alkaloids in it that bind to opiate receptors in the brain?
04-29-2008, 11:44 PM
Red Clover is a damn fine plant with detoxifying properties. Jacky has posted a couple of threads in regards to it's possibilities for it's binding effects to opiate receptors.
04-30-2008, 11:05 AM
very interesting chemistry going on here with this plant.
new findings in nature regarding opiate activity could very well help certian opio-issues, like what the considerations for scheduling active compounds should be...
if mu activity alone should warrant control, then the resulting work cut out for the feds is going to be alot more complex.
and the list of new mu active organic compounds would continue to grow, in my opinion, at least for the next 50 years, at an exponential rate!
I was taken aback by the data regarding the discovery of mu activity with this plant.
emails were made that night to a certian chemist freind.
and within the month I was sent very condensed, isolated components of of red clover.
the material seems to interact with other opiates.
things get sticky at this point, but since I am not an opiate negative individual, so I would like to hear the opinions of someone who is opiate clean about the potential of this plant.
the isolates seem to increase sedative activity.
and there is an uncomfortable component in there, at least the only two people I know to try isolates/extracts have said the same thing.
is there kappa activity as well?
I dont know.
the active components have not be elucidated yet to my knowledge.
maybe this one is better for the smoking blends ha ha.
I know its a component of the SPICE smoking blend.
I would suggest buccal, and insuffilation experiments with these extracts. they seem potent enough.
I would hate to see someone swallow so much red clover that they FOUNDER, ha ha.
there is the possibility of course, as with kratom isolates, that resperitory depression is possible.
this one is an open book still for me, I cannot get up the gumption to take the doses higher, as I could see interaction with my standard medications.
and also, the chance that this material might help withdrawl considerably is pretty low I think.
dont dose for 24 hours and take this extract!
its a real bitch, to skip your dose on your day off work, and wait for some novel plant material to take the edge off, let alone try and make you feel "high".
I did this when I first recieved kratom. well, the kratom sucked, and after 6 sweaty hours of laying around and waiting, I hit the pills very quickly.
a few times I took some blind test materials, plant extracts. I forewent my standard opiate dose, and took instead this plant material.
probably was some cholinergic activity, and some of the plant materials I think have more analgesic activity with that system, than with the opiate.
anyway, I felt it for 10 minutes. seemed slightly euphoric. stomach pain, then yawns, flu like feeling, sleepy, yawning every 10 or 20 seconds. watery eyes. DYSPHORIA!
and the chemist still wont tell me whats in it. ha ha.
he thought it had kratom like activity.
well, maybe for someone not opiate dependent it might have been. but I dont see how from the effect it had on me.
luckily this only lasted for 3 hours.
and opiates quickly wiped the experience from the body.
blind control dose.
so I hope to learn more about this plant, but use it sparingly, and only as an augmentation type of material.
04-30-2008, 06:03 PM
thanks, exactly the inFo i was looking FoR
05-17-2008, 06:30 PM
jacky not sure how much of me story you know. I have no opi tolerance now and redclover definately seems to be worth the high price i spent on the extract. :)
can't wait to mix it with some other stuff
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