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Paregoric Kid
02-11-2005, 06:50 PM
according to the Asbury Park Press the bags 'Paid in Full' are adulterated with Clenbutoral, a lot of ODs reported
thought it would be a relevant thing to pass along

jacky
02-11-2005, 07:50 PM
bad fucking news, the only thing I really have read on clenbuterol is in the erowid.org susbstance list trip reports. someone took to much, as this drug is dosed in the microgram range they got way too much. what is the point? rip someone off. I have been sold some type of benzodiazepine largly in place of the heroin it came packaged with. Niacin is about the best adulterant you could hope for, but even that is a pain in the ass.

1badrabbit
02-11-2005, 08:04 PM
Clen is commonly used by bodybuilders because it raises the body temp. They use it to shed weight and get cut up generally when on a cycle of steroids. It was originally created for use in race horses.
I think I have had dope with niacin as it made me turn red, burn, and itch like hell.

superbeast
02-12-2005, 11:21 AM
I am very familiar w/ Clenbuterol being a body builder and can't imagine why it would be used in H. Clen is a beta2antagonist, a stimulant that has a thermogenic effect which aids in the burning of brown fat much like ephedrine. It is commonly available at dosages from 10-20mcg. Why anyone would try to pawn this off as H is beyond me. SB>

Paregoric Kid
02-12-2005, 06:36 PM
I think it was just used as an adulterant maybe to combat resp. depression? I dunno.

supposedly the bags are in pa, nj, ct, and ny

blackdog
02-14-2005, 08:17 PM
oh yeahhhhh,i caught the end of the tv broadcast,i will research the article for exact info i also heard it was bad/dangeous product laced /stretched with a pharmaceuticl enhancment type of agent,causeing users to be hospitalized.not sure if its causeing any od's(deaths) but i'm gonna find out.till then i'm sticking with my better known suppliers.
i agree that alot dope is cut with niacin type aduterents causeing head/hands to burn itch like crazy,turn red. 1-2 bags your ok 3 or more and yer gonna know what we are talking about. alsoheard it's started or is in concentrated in the long island /conn area.

blackdog
02-15-2005, 01:10 PM
ok guys&gals all the afore mentioned is basically correct,there were 3 od's in new britain conn and 1 in meridian conn they found the guy in a parking lot dea is still anylizing the dope not sure if it was a purity spike(hot shot) or what.and reports of emergency room visits in nyc,nj and conn are up,users complaining of severe headache,racing hearts,agitation and weekness.there saying its clenbuterol,which is used as an illegalperformance enhancer fer race horses,and used by asthma patients

bi11i
02-15-2005, 01:37 PM
from drugpolicycentral.com:

February 11, 2005, 12:32 AM EST

The city Department of Health is investigating a rash of illnesses linked to a contaminated batch of heroin, officials said.

Six heroin users visited hospital emergency rooms in the past few days reporting symptoms of agitation, nausea, severe headaches and weakness, the agency said. They either have been discharged or are listed in stable condition.

They had consumed heroin laced with the drug Clenbuterol, which is often used as an illegal performance enhancer for race horses and as a respiratory drug for asthma patients.

Joined by the Police Department and community organizations, the Health Department is trying to determine the source of the contaminated heroin and alert users, who number an estimated 200,000 in the city.

"Heroin is a highly addictive drug and, as this situation confirms, it can often be contaminated with other dangerous substances," Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said.

Similar incidents are being investigated in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut, officials said.

Earlier this month, three 17-year-old boys in New Jersey were treated after they took heroin laced with Clenbuterol, according to the Asbury Park Press. They later recovered.

Copyright (c) 2005, Newsday, Inc.

bi11i
02-15-2005, 01:39 PM
wow - this one is really out of hand. here's another link I found:

http://vhi.exodus.ie/news.asp?id=44670

1badrabbit
02-15-2005, 02:43 PM
oh yeahhhhh,i caught the end of the tv broadcast,i will research the article for exact info i also heard it was bad/dangeous product laced /stretched with a pharmaceuticl enhancment type of agent,causeing users to be hospitalized.not sure if its causeing any od's(deaths) but i'm gonna find out.till then i'm sticking with my better known suppliers.
i agree that alot dope is cut with niacin type aduterents causeing head/hands to burn itch like crazy,turn red. 1-2 bags your ok 3 or more and yer gonna know what we are talking about. alsoheard it's started or is in concentrated in the long island /conn area.

Exactly I had tar for a long time that only took about .1 of a gram to make your chest, hands, and arms turn bright fucking red and itch like hell. One time it made both my hands just fucking burn and swell up bright red for a few minutes. Pissed me off cause it was really good dope too, just had to endure that goddamn niacin effect.

Paregoric Kid
02-16-2005, 06:32 PM
still anylizing the dope not sure if it was a purity spike(hot shot) or what.

a hot shot is a bag of poison given to someone intentionally to kill them, not an especially pure bag

owl
03-03-2005, 10:43 AM
Superbeast,
Just an FYI: humans don't have 'brown fat' - only animals do. In animals, brown fat generates heat for thermoregulation. Lame-ass supplement companies glom on to this info as a selling point (i.e. 'thermogenesis') without bothering to research the scientific literature. If they did this, they would find out that humans don't have brown fat. This is a pet peeve of mine. Enough said.

-Owl

jacky
03-03-2005, 07:36 PM
Niacin is probably the culprit in the dope that made 1 badrabbit itch so bad. It is an amino acid that will cause flushing and itching for an hour or so. it is a moderately common cut put into heroin. its not the worst thing you can cut dope with but probably has some nasty side effects if you take it for too long or in too large of quanititys. Niacin gives an itch that some people associate with being high, we used to try and avoid it as it made it hard to appreciate shooting up all the time. It also wasnt fun in speedball combos. other amino acids and vitamins can be cut into dope, and it can actually cause some serious conditions, if a person consumes too much it can cause liver and other problems that may even be potentially fatal.

jacky
03-03-2005, 07:52 PM
speaking of bad dope there was a flesh eating bacteria going around in SF 10 or so years ago. people who were muscle popping especially fell victim to this. I met a couple of victims of this horror-story at the San Rafeal methadone clinic, one guy lost most of his left butt cheek, another lost his arm and part of his shoulder blade. I dont know if cooking kills/destroys the bacteria or not, I think that it does, but dont take my word for it. I remember when this happened we were pretty cautious about what we were doing. Seeing and scoring in the tenderloin district in SF I can easily imagine the conditiions that led to the contamination.....someone with staff infection who is living in a box by the city hall packaging balloons and such with staff infected fingers and lips perhaps. I dont think people who were mainlining fell victim in quite such destructive ways as there are more white blood cells in the larger veins ? I once got a HORRIBLE infection from pounding cottons that left me unable to move for 10-12 hours, when I could I was incredibly dizzy, the next day I finally was able to get some dope but it didnt really help, I started getting sicker and sicker, then I had an outbreak of what appeared to be some type of cold sores, imagine a line drawn down the middle of your face, with one side completely encrusted with festering cold sores chin, lips, mouth, nostrils, nose and the skin around my lips as well, it took two weeks for the thick green scabs to heal. I grew out my beard for obvious reasons. People didnt even recognize me. my lips were so swollen and painful that heroin barely helped. someone went and told my mom that I was looking like I was going to die. Heroin can be some dirty shit. I have even found pubic hairs in my dope. people who cold cook dope thinking that they are saving some dope are taking greatly increased risks ALWAYS COOK YOUR DOPE WELL.

moldie
03-20-2005, 01:40 PM
cooking your dope can increase the solubility of dangerous cutting agents. basically you could find yourself fucked either way. your infection from shooting cottons although extreme is not an uncommon occurrence. cottons get wet, bacterea starts to grow in them, they dry, sit around for a while, and then are used when desperate.

jacky
03-20-2005, 04:50 PM
wow, I did not know that cooking the dope could intensify solubility of cutting agents, thanks for that info, I would rather take my chances with cutting agents than HIV or hep c but in the cases of dope cut with shoe polish (no shit) cooking could cause some problems with people careful about sharing needles and water etc.

candy
04-03-2005, 05:38 AM
Niacin is commonly used to stimulate lipid metabolism. It will cause flushing and for those who think your dope is cut with this, the best thing to do is to inject slowly as you can to reduce the effect. The flushing comes from vasodilation of the tiny peripheral vessels close the surface of the skin. When combined with CNS depressants, such as alcohol or Opiates, it can cause increased flushing.

I would suggest a very slow push and maybe even diluting the dope will help, if your concerned about the flushing or it is severe!

Just sitting here with the PDR, helping to pass the time!
Sorry if I sound like a "Know it all!" Just like to get the info out there and keep everyone safe!

jacky
04-03-2005, 04:48 PM
we are stoked to have a "professional" around these rooms. I am hoping at some point a person specializing in opiate pharmacology/research might join our forum and spread some interesting info.............thanks for your posts.

bogumil
04-30-2005, 08:20 PM
Im sorry, but WHY do they cut with such stuf? It is not cheaper. Cheaper would be glucose I guess. Why such stuff? I would do that if I wanted to sell glucose with 0.1 % H maybe to imitate the taste and effect. But still in the end its bad for business when all your users die ... Why such stuff?

blackdog
05-14-2005, 12:06 PM
nevermind what it's cut with anybody that would like to see some pictures of what can happen to you if/when you nod out for too long send me your e-mails or however i can send some pix to ya's it's got to do with cutting off yer circulation/blood that is not good nor pretty afterwords