Once more into the breach

[HowLongIsTooLong]

OK I have a hospital plan.

I am bringing 4 bags of junk and a dart, strapped to my leg with my beat-up rubber tourniquet, and a halfpack of Newport 100's.

I figure that if I divide the junk into 8 shots, two per day for 4 days, then 1 per day, I should be a hell of a lot warmer and less sweat too.

Anyone think I am crazy here? defeating the purpose of the detox? bla bla bla? any comments appreciated.

I think it will make the detox easier and I will tell ya why... cause that dividing and distributing shit aint gonna work. I will prolly bang all 4 the first day.

D

[jdub]

Ur probly right about doing it all the first day. I know plenty of people that bring shit to detox, they don't usually stay sober. But neither do those who don't bring it in.

Do you have to detox or is this by choice?

[turdkenedy]

kind of defeating the purpose of voluntary detox...

why bother going to a hospital if your going to shoot up dope anyway...

[oxycontin]

kind of defeating the purpose of voluntary detox...

why bother going to a hospital if your going to shoot up dope anyway...


i agree, dont go if your not ready to kick it 100%

[strikks]

if you are strong enough to do it..................taper at home with some benzos and maybe switch to ultram at the end that helped me i had a big H iv habit and i shot ms contin from comfortable, to a 25% reduction in dosage daily or

bi-daily and then go from that to tramadol and ativan then taper off those slowly. i was very comfortable!!! the worst part was the boredom and wantin to shoot up!!! but i smoked a little weed when that happened and it helped!!! man that is the detox for pussies right here,what i did ,and i am telling you ,it was not bad ,better than any hospital would have been!!!v you prolly dont have all those meds though i guess i was lucky i had a nurse too that gave me sex!!! lol (my girl)

[Uncle Wiggly]

This is your gig so take from this what you will. If this is something you're doing on your own, Just get as loaded as you can before you get there and go for it if you're ready. If you're not ready what's the sense of going? It' not like a sun-filled holiday.

If you got to go then try and make it as easy on yourself as you can. That still might mean doing it all right before you walk in the door. I don't think any one can really give a good answer to this question except you.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

There are other factors here.

And yes, I would be going by choice.

No doubt. The 3rd, I am in.

D

[rizzo]

be careful cause most detox places give you sebutex now and they watch you take it.if you got dope in your system it will make you sick as shit.good luck bro.

[upstate_007]

Good luck man. I think your plan sounds alright. Why the fuck not, right? As long as you don't get caught and kicked out.

I would make it a whole pack of Newports though.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Good luck man. I think your plan sounds alright. Why the fuck not, right? As long as you don't get caught and kicked out.

I would make it a whole pack of Newports though.

Duly noted, my dude. An excellent refinement. ;)

D

[mollywopped]

Sneaking dope into a voluntary detox is idiotic, but hey, whatever floats your boat. The problems I see are that they might give you Subs and then you're fucked or you have to fess up. Also, alot of the detoxes I have been in search you. Some better than others.

[Frank Zito]

Sneaking dope into a voluntary detox is idiotic, but hey, whatever floats your boat. The problems I see are that they might give you Subs and then you're fucked or you have to fess up. Also, alot of the detoxes I have been in search you. Some better than others.

If you are sneaking dope into a detox, you ain't ready. Leave the bed for someone else who wants it. People that whine about the pain of detox are fucking chicken shit. Ride it out like a champion and you'll have that to remember if you're ever gonna' "pick up" again. If you don't think you need that reminder than you really aren't quiting.

[SHELLEY]

People that whine about the pain of detox are fucking chicken shit. Ride it out like a champion and you'll have that to remember if you're ever gonna' "pick up" again. If you don't think you need that reminder than you really aren't quiting.

i guess that makes me fucking chicken shit
and whatever the opposite of a "champion" is

bwaaaak bwaaaak bwaaaak
i got no problems being called a pussy
cause i got one between my legs
that's like calling a guy a dick
uhhhh.... yeah

just kidding bout being chicken shit though guys
9 days clean MY *****!!!

[Frank Zito]

It's all giggles and nods when you got money and dope...Most people know the fucking scoop. I don't feel bad for anyone who gets themselves knowingly into a situation, then whines when the consequences must be dealt.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Sneaking dope into a voluntary detox is idiotic, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Also, alot of the detoxes I have been in search you. Some better than others.
Leave the bed for someone else who wants it. People that whine about the pain of detox are fucking chicken shit. Ride it out like a champion and you'll have that to remember if you're ever gonna' "pick up" again. If you don't think you need that reminder than you really aren't quiting.

Then I am am idiot, molly.

Who said anything about quitting?

And I need it, fuck another person. I told you, there are other factors here.

Why is everyone so quick to judge and convict? Also, people are so ready to assume the worst about a person or situation... since I am going into a voluntary detox with contraband, I must be a greedy idiot who is intentionally robbing someone else of a bed (to get my rocks off). Yeah, right on. That's the situation, like, exactly.

I have already said that I need this. Why doubt me? Have I proved myself doubtworthy? Or proved myself an idiot, even?

Sheesh. It's called 'the benefit of the doubt'. Not, 'We don't know every bleeding detail so there must be something really awful behind this and the OP is an idiot, too. Not that he might want to keep certain things to himself or anything, no, he is a greedy fool. And a piece of shit junky. We have spoken.'

D

[Frank Zito]

People were giving you their opinions. You don't want to hear them, don't ask for them. You're the one who said, "any comments appreciated." Guess not.

[blackdog]

kind of defeating the purpose of voluntary detox...

why bother going to a hospital if your going to shoot up dope anyway...

be careful cause most detox places give you sebutex now and they watch you take it.if you got dope in your system it will make you sick as shit.good luck bro.

eggzactly!!!!!!!
why bother going ??? the reason i ask is because twice i have done the samething, not wanting to be sick i brought 6 bags in with nme , what a mistake! but these guys are dead on......you have to go in to the hospital having done your last dope use that mornin of that day and that evening when the meds come around you'll be just the right amount of sic for the sub shot to take effect. otherwise my friend you will be signing yourself out A/M/A cause you will be in a world of hurt cause what happens is that first sub/bufenex shot will have thrown you right smack dab into a cold turkey withdrawel and the more shots ya get the sicker you'll stay believe me /us.if yer gonna go in strappin heron then don't bother, yer only wasteing everyones time most of all yer self. i was sick cold turkey so bad i was prayin fer god to come and take me and even the devil i did not care which. man i was puking shittin explosive so bad fer two three days coundnt lay down no sleep no foods they almost was gonna put a i'v to rehydrate me ........i never wished fer death to come and take me i woulda gone home ama
but i was outta money and i was sick and tired of bein sick and tired so eventually i came back to life and 2 days later shot half a bag and now i'm still here doin what i do and been doin fer 24 plus years. peace /respect good luck. dawg,:cool:

[IceCold]

I don't really see the point of detox at a hospital anyway. Many hospitals in my area give you methadone which doesn't really detox you anyway.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

you'll be just the right amount of sic for the sub shot to take effect. otherwise my friend you will be signing yourself out A/M/A cause you will be in a world of hurt cause what happens is that first sub/bufenex shot will have thrown you right smack dab into a cold turkey withdrawel and the more shots ya get the sicker you'll stay believe me /us...

I don't know where you are detoxing, but where I have detoxed here in NYC, there ain't no subs or buprenex. It's straight methadone, all the way. Every detox was the same, methadone, methadone, methadone. So precipitated withdrawal is not a problem.

Maybe you went to a 'real' detox? Like one that your insurance pays for, a private hospital? Cause all the ones I went to (5 in all) were city hospitals that took in indigents, Medicare, the whole thing. No Aetna/Blue Cross/Blue Shield for this junkie. Anyway...

I say again, there are other reasons I am going to the hospital... other factors. So if I am taking a bed away from some more-deserving junkie, well, fuck him, cause I need it too. He/she can go to the hospitals that I am not. I just would like to have a bit of a cushion is all. I hope to be through with dope when I complete the detox. Long shot, I know, but you gotta be in it to win it.

D

[OxiContinKing]

I dont know what your other circumstances are, but atleast you are going into rehab, so if you want a little 'cushion', then I'd say fuck it, take a little 'cushion'.

Just my .02 cents, not like it really matters anyway, right?

You will be missed here though, we will be waiting for you to come back.

:D

[Crow]

OxiContinKing, detox and rehab are a completely different thing. In my experience I have never seen a rehab work anywhere near as well as what D is going for. Rehabs are good for getting new connects and learning even more junkie tricks. Just my two cents....

[pharmboy]

When you have to guess your mind fills in the blanks.
Sometimes details are nice.

[OxiContinKing]

Sorry, thats what I meant to say.

Good job, nod, GFJ.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Update:

Yeah, so I should have updated this a couple of days ago...

I went to the detox. Waited 12 hours to be admitted. Settled in, took a shower and slept like a rock for 15 hours or so. I didn't have enough money to carry out my plan like I outlined it, so I just brought in one and did it within minutes of having my room assigned. Then I smoked a cigarette in the bathroom the following morning.

Oh Shit.

Big Fucken Mistake.

At the other hospitals I went to, if a staff member smelled cigarette smoke, they asked about it, and tsked about it, but if there was no clear indicator of who actually smoked the thing, they really didn't do anything.

Not this hospital.

They called security, tossed my room and the adjoining rooms, grilled (and I mean grilled, like a little room and 3 interrogators) six of us, and threatened to discharge the entire group of rooms if I didn't fess up. So I fessed up and got booted.

What a fuckup I am. You would think that the junk would cause more problems, but no. It's the goddamn cigarettes. That's one of the major problems I have with detox... that and they won't let me have my iPod. Fuck, no music?! What the shit is this?! Let's make it as hard as possible for these fuckin' junkies... fuck.

Shit.

D

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Update:
Yeah, so I should have updated this a couple of days ago...
I went to the detox. Waited 12 hours to be admitted. Settled in, took a shower and slept like a rock for 15 hours or so. I didn't have enough money to carry out my plan like I outlined it, so I just brought in one and did it within minutes of having my room assigned. Then I smoked a cigarette in the bathroom the following morning.
Oh Shit.
Big Fucken Mistake.
At the other hospitals I went to, if a staff member smelled cigarette smoke, they asked about it, and tsked about it, but if there was no clear indicator of who actually smoked the thing, they really didn't do anything.
Not this hospital.
They called security, tossed my room and the adjoining rooms, grilled (and I mean grilled, like a little room and 3 interrogators) six of us, and threatened to discharge the entire group of rooms if I didn't fess up. So I fessed up and got booted.
What a fuckup I am. You would think that the junk would cause more problems, but no. It's the goddamn cigarettes. That's one of the major problems I have with detox... that and they won't let me have my iPod. Fuck, no music?! What the shit is this?! Let's make it as hard as possible for these fuckin' junkies... fuck.
Shit.
D

[Crow]

Sorry, thats what I meant to say.

Good job, nod, GFJ.

Word man, sorry, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic at the end when I said "just my two cents", didn't realize that you had said that too. Hahahah My bad, sorry about that!

[Crow]

Oh and D, sorry to hear about your experience, I just sent you a PM asking about the whole detox thang.....better luck next time? Seriously man, I feel for ya. Stupid assholes. No ipod? What is the point of that besides making the patients suffer more?

[upstate_007]

Sorry it went down like that D.

Some people have no sense of humor.

The times when you really need a smoke someone is there to fuck it up for you.

You did get 15 hours of sleep and a shower out of them though.

[jacky]

that is too bad...

funny, cause I read the first page of posts, and was going to post this...

"youll probably get booted for the cigarettes, better to take some chewable tobacco, you can even put the chew in between your toes and get sufficient nicotine absorption...
taking ciggies in is a good way to draw attention to yourself, and then get searched for the dope."

then I read on, and realized,
YOU GOT BUSTED.

damn. that is too bad.

but, I dont blame you a bit.
I never did a voluntary detox without some meds of some kind, whether scripted to me or not.

the only time I did a two week in patient detox I was almost detoxed completely, I still had the night sweats, and only sleeping a few hours at night. after a few days they took us to a store, and I bought some passion flower tea. there are traces of beta carboline type sustances in this material, recently some data suggests opioid interaction with some beta carbolines. now at this time I didnt know about beta carbolines, or that they might be in the passion flower tea, what I did know is that passion flower can fuck you up when mixed with opiates, and I knew that alone passion flower was a decent sleep inducer.
after drinking three pots of coffee a day to stay up for all the related detox activitys, I needed something to finally end the night sweats and lack of good sleep. it had been almost 30 days since I quit dope, and I was still having bad nights.
well, that passion flower tea kicked some ass. put me down quickly each night after drinking 2-3 bags of it.
so I was able to use some herbal materials bought at a store.
funny thing was, a few days till I was done with the program, I saw a box of donated whip cream aerosol bottles come in, I knew some dumb ass would probably get kicked out if those bottles were around.

detox sucks.
better luck next time, and next time, plan a little better, these people are not idiots you are dealing with.

personally, a detox that doesnt allow tobacco is limiting what they can do for many people.
all detox/half way house programs I have attended allowed smoking outside.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

...after drinking three pots of coffee a day to stay up for all the related detox activitys...

Man, it's all decaf now. DECAF. It's like they are spitting in our faces here.

I am glad to hear someone else feels like they need a cushion... makes me feel a bit less of a shitheel. ;) I went to one hospital, a 'blind' detox (they don't see fit to impart the knowledge of what dosage of meth they give you) where they started you on fifteen millis of meth... (I sneaked a peek at the computer screen with the dosages on it) now, I don't know about other junkies, but 15 millis is pure hell. Add that fact on top of the other withdrawals... nicotine, caffeine, music... it's a wonder I finished one out of five attempts.

What sort of justification exists for these policies?

I think it is a budgetary/demographic concern, where the hospitals want as few as possible detox patients because of the high expenditure, and also to reduce the amount of junkies within their hallowed halls. I don't think harm reduction or successful treatment/therapy enters into the equation here. Or maybe I am just cynical.

Also, thanks for the passionflower tea idea. I will add that to my detox survival kit next time.

D