black tar h/opium

[oxycontin]

hey guys, i did my research on the net....i googled many times and i just cant get a solid answer to my question.

what is the main diffrence between black tar h and opium? a buddy of mine gave my this clump of black stuff when i went to drop him off at the airport....he told me to keep it or do whatever with it. it stinks and its really shiny black stuff. in a diff. language he called it opium....but im confused...would it be h?

can anyone make this clear to me please.

thanks

[jonny-5]

if it smells like vinegar, then its H. if you burn it and it smells like inscense, its opium

[StealSmoke]

yeah, that's all you gotta do liek dude said.

^^ lol, easy as night and day to tell apart.

[oxycontin]

awsome thanks guys......

what about looks and texture???? cant tell anything like that?????

[Black_Pony]

The H should be of more consistent texture and generally lighter or more blonde. What language/term did he use? Opium is a concept very much different from heroin, whoever owns one or the other should be aware of the difference and specify. Then again this guy was just giving his shit away, right? May not have been much of an opiate aficionado...

:rolleyes:

awsome thanks guys......

what about looks and texture???? cant tell anything like that?????

[Papa Verine]

So let me get this straight Oxycontin... on top of all those pharmaceuticals, you also have a big bag of tar heroin somebody gave you for free?

It must be nice to be you bro. If I can sneak across the border, can I stay with you for a few days?

Of course I'm just kidding. But Vancouver sounds like the place to be man.

[Woody Bear]

When poppy pods are scratched, the sap oozes out and hardens. This sap is scraped up and is the raw opium. The main active ingredient in opium is morphine, it ranges from 2 -17%, but averages at around 10%.

Black tar heroin is made by reacting opium with acetic anhydride. The morphine is then converted into diacetylmorphine, aka heroin. The rest of the opium components remain in the sludge. High purity powdered heroin is made by first extracting the morphine from the opium, and reacting the purified morphine with acetic anhydride.

The average pipe full of opium is 100 mg, which usually contains 10 mg morphine. People usually smoke pipe after pipe until they've had enough, which usually takes between 3 - 6 pipe fulls for a total of 300 - 600 mg opium. Depending on how black tar heroin is made, and if any attempt to purify the morphine was done or not, purity can range from 10% upwards. Really with the black tar heroin, for safety start with no more then a match head sized piece, and gradually take more until you've got enough.

Like the other posters said, black tar heroin will smell like vinegar, opium won't. I find opium smells kind of flowery.

[oxycontin]

So let me get this straight Oxycontin... on top of all those pharmaceuticals, you also have a big bag of tar heroin somebody gave you for free?

It must be nice to be you bro. If I can sneak across the border, can I stay with you for a few days?

Of course I'm just kidding. But Vancouver sounds like the place to be man.

naw not a big bag....its just a small little peice.....2cm x 2 x 1 peice.....not huge or anything.

downtown vancouver is a nice place to live

[405FREEWAY]

Yeah, i agree. I wish my friends would hand me some opium or tar, anything for that matter. I have known many people that sell Tar H as opium to unsuspecting, non-junky types. You know people that usually just smoke weed and shit like that. These people would try it, and after a while they would get hooked. One friend had been using for around 2 months, he came over and said " hey try this good opium i got" adn one look and taste later, i informed him that he is smoking tar everyday, and not opium. Well, lets just say, he felt a litttle decieved and pissed off.
So anyway, the mistake has been made for sure. Whatever it is, try it, and enjoy i. Oxy, i really like that avatar you have, too!

[Thebane]

When poppy pods are scratched, the sap oozes out and hardens. This sap is scraped up and is the raw opium. The main active ingredient in opium is morphine, it ranges from 2 -17%, but averages at around 10%.

Black tar heroin is made by reacting opium with acetic anhydride. The morphine is then converted into diacetylmorphine, aka heroin. The rest of the opium components remain in the sludge. High purity powdered heroin is made by first extracting the morphine from the opium, and reacting the purified morphine with acetic anhydride.

The average pipe full of opium is 100 mg, which usually contains 10 mg morphine. People usually smoke pipe after pipe until they've had enough, which usually takes between 3 - 6 pipe fulls for a total of 300 - 600 mg opium. Depending on how black tar heroin is made, and if any attempt to purify the morphine was done or not, purity can range from 10% upwards. Really with the black tar heroin, for safety start with no more then a match head sized piece, and gradually take more until you've got enough.

Like the other posters said, black tar heroin will smell like vinegar, opium won't. I find opium smells kind of flowery.

Sort of off-topic: but WoodyBear, wouldn't this mean there's a noticeable amount of codeine still left in black tar heroin? If all the other alkaloids are just sitting in it. And would 't this cause major problems for IV users? Just curious, I never knew the difference between tar and powder production but I find it interesting.

[allover]

If it's super sticky and has a bitter, almost vinegar like, smell to it then you've got black tar heroin. If you dont shoot up then it's best to smoke it off a piece of aluminum foil. I always seemed to be really sensitive to the taste, but if you smoke it and it tastes like the most disgusting smoke you've ever inhaled, it's black tar heroin. I've smoked opium a couple of times and the taste didnt bother me.

405FREEWAY, I've known people who were sold "opium" that was really black tar heroin. Whats really funny (well maybe not) is that even after I told them it was black tar heroin they refused to believe me and told me I was an idiot. I just thought to myself, well lets see whose the idiot when you can't score any "opium" for a day or two and see how sick you get.

hey guys, i did my research on the net....i googled many times and i just cant get a solid answer to my question.

what is the main diffrence between black tar h and opium? a buddy of mine gave my this clump of black stuff when i went to drop him off at the airport....he told me to keep it or do whatever with it. it stinks and its really shiny black stuff. in a diff. language he called it opium....but im confused...would it be h?

can anyone make this clear to me please.

thanks

[rachamim18]

Woody: First, the range of morphine coneten can vary up to a high of 30%. The avergae though is 10%.

More importantly perhaps is the process used to create Tar. It is not acetylated opium. There are a couple of gaffes here. First, to creat morphine you would not acetylate anything. All you need to do is use calcium and ammonia (in simplified terms). Once you have isolated and dried your morphine freebase, you can either clean it up and convert it back into a salt (it having first been a salt when calcium reacted with the opium), or convert to heroin straight away.

With Tar though, people (and for a few years I was one) have the mistaken belief that Tar is merely acetylated opium due to its texture and appearance. nope. We find Tar soemtimes having a purity of 85%. So, if we were just creating Tar out of opium that would mean there are opoppies with an 85% morphine content and we all know that this is just not the case, sadly.

If you want a heads up on the synth, take a look at Homebake, just ignore the section on the O-demeth and concentrate on two key chems used in the final portion of the process (trying to avoid censorship by our Mods for veering into synth talk).

[Woody Bear]

Anyways it's good news that the morphine content in opium can reach up to 30%, I was sure I read 2-17% in "Opium Poppy Cultivation and Heroin Processing in Southeast Asia" but I can't find where it said that, only that it averages 10%.

Although I never said that acetic anhydride creates morphine. And technically extractions don't create morphine either, it's the poppy that does that. The acetic anhydride is purely to convert the morphine into heroin.

Here's a quote from the June 2007 edition of the DEA's Microgram:
Analysis of the material (total net mass in the 8 submitted exhibits 31.82 kilograms) by FTIR/ATR, GC/FID, and GC/MSD confirmed heroin (calculated as the hydrochloride) varying from 5.2 - 12.7 percent, with most bricks also containing large amounts of noscapine (not quantitated). This was one of the largest ever seizures of black tar heroin in California history.
Because the purity of the heroin matched the average morphine content in opium, I assumed that black tar heroin was just opium reacted with acetic anhydride. Especially as the 31.82 kilos were in 8 large packages and not cut street dope. Also note how it said, "most bricks also containing large amounts of noscapine", that means that if they even did a morphine extraction on the opium first, they did a general alkaloid extraction, not the procedure used in South East Asia where they purify the morphine using some form of calcium compound, as this would separate it and a smaller amount of codeine from the other alkaloids. Here's some the quotes from "Opium Poppy Cultivation and Heroin Processing in Southeast Asia":

The process of extracting morphine from opium involves dissolving opium in boiling water, adding lime (calcium oxide), or slaked lime (calcium hydroxide), or limestone (calcium carbonate) to precipitate non-morphine alkaloids, and then pouring off the morphine in solution.
... Ammonium chloride (a powder) is added to the heated calcium morphenate solution to adjust the alkalinity to a pH of 8 to 9, and the solution is then allowed to cool.

[oxycontin]

still cant figgure out what it is. what he does with it is breaks off a small peice and swallows it whole and drinks a cup of tea. im thinking its opium

[mollywopped]

Sort of off-topic: but WoodyBear, wouldn't this mean there's a noticeable amount of codeine still left in black tar heroin? If all the other alkaloids are just sitting in it. And would 't this cause major problems for IV users? Just curious, I never knew the difference between tar and powder production but I find it interesting.


That's right. Tar heroin is not just acetylated opium. It is made in a manner much the same as powdered dope, they just use less refined morphine and sub some chemicals. You are right though. If they just reacted opium with AA, there would be a bunch of other stuff in it (acetylcodeine) that would cause problems. It is a very big myth that tar is acetylated opium.

[mollywopped]

still cant figgure out what it is. what he does with it is breaks off a small peice and swallows it whole and drinks a cup of tea. im thinking its opium


That sounds like opium. But, like others said, there is a very simple way to tell the difference. Does it smell like vinegar? If so, it is heroin. Does it smell like flowers? If so it is opium.

[StealSmoke]

^ lol ofr real, guy, did you attempt to smell it? or are you still not sure? it either smells somewhat sweet, or pretty fuckin sour to my knowledge, its very very eaasy to tell apart. don't over think it, just smell the shit, sweet = opium, sour = heroin.

[oxycontin]

^ lol ofr real, guy, did you attempt to smell it? or are you still not sure? it either smells somewhat sweet, or pretty fuckin sour to my knowledge, its very very eaasy to tell apart. don't over think it, just smell the shit, sweet = opium, sour = heroin.

it does not smell sweet thats forsure.....and i dont smell vinegar.....but it smells nasty.....kind of like a ..........i dont know i cant even describe the smell....its not sweet....its nasty

[StealSmoke]

so it's kind of liek a sour smell? foul? does it have a flowery kind of aroma at all?

sounds like it might be heroin, but then again your friend swallowed it with tea? that makes it sound like it's opium, I don't know, to be honest I'm not sure if there is any way to tell them apart besides trying a tiny bit? see what it tastes like? or what it makes yo ufeel like ,I'm pretty sure heroin is much stronger than opium*, while opium is more a mellow high that coms on after a few bowls/pipes, heroin you'd probably feel after 2 hits, and it would hit you prett yhard if you have no tolerance.

I mean in all ahonesty bro, if you do heroin or would be willing, then you're good to go regardless, and even if not, you can sell the shit to somebody, I would never suggest that you try it if you don't already do it or have it in mind to try it, but either way you can maek some good if it.

[oxycontin]

so it's kind of liek a sour smell? foul? does it have a flowery kind of aroma at all?

sounds like it might be heroin, but then again your friend swallowed it with tea? that makes it sound like it's opium, I don't know, to be honest I'm not sure if there is any way to tell them apart besides trying a tiny bit? see what it tastes like? or what it makes yo ufeel like ,I'm pretty sure heroin is much stronger than opium*, while opium is more a mellow high that coms on after a few bowls/pipes, heroin you'd probably feel after 2 hits, and it would hit you prett yhard if you have no tolerance.

I mean in all ahonesty bro, if you do heroin or would be willing, then you're good to go regardless, and even if not, you can sell the shit to somebody, I would never suggest that you try it if you don't already do it or have it in mind to try it, but either way you can maek some good if it.

i touched it against my toung for about 10secs.......and man o man did it taste foul....it was just fucking nasty!

[StealSmoke]

lol, yeah that's probably heroin then, but I doubt it's possible to find out for sure what it is. if you fucks with the boy, smoke it, if not, sell it to someone who does.

[Seedy]

nah it's got to be opium, he was given a 2x2x1cm (~1.5g) piece by someone who eats it. And although O does have a pretty sweet smell the taste is pretty bitter.

[rachamim18]

Woody: Yeah, that booklet is a DEA Intel Report that was leaked years ago and had a few mistakes in it. IF you want a view on real synthesis, look for the 2007 UNODC paper on Afghan. Heroin Synth. It is complete and it shows a few tricks fr anyone serious about home chemistry.

There have been poppies in the former Yugoslavia that did reach 30% but with optimum care,etc. It is nearly impossible to creat that content in a natural environment.

Those Yugos were opiate obsessed. I use some of their Fen work as Scripture, magnificent work for sure.

I believed you did say that AA is used to extract morphine but then that might be my lack of English. As far as the poppy creating morphine of course but you will never see it or utilise it alone unless you perform a simple extraction.

You seriously should not feel bad that you thought Tar was acetylated opium. Not only did I, for years, but so did some of the world's best forensic chemists. The "Future" paper even quotes it but it is non-sensical and when one does a Homebake one sees the same, exact consistency with the only possible difference being in color if Diconal is used as opposed to morphine as the main precursor. When using morphine it is exactly like Tar.

The purity of Tar can range from the single digits all the way up into the high 80s and anything over 30 will set off bells.

The final quote from the paper is correct.

[pharmboy]

Maybe your buddy just cleaned his bong out and gave you the rezin?

[oxycontin]

Maybe your buddy just cleaned his bong out and gave you the rezin?

naw....not resin.....im thinkin opium cause he swallows it and drinks tea with it...and always says a hot cup of tea every few hours brings the high back. h wouldnt do that would it?

[StealSmoke]

lol damn man you still holidin o nto theat shit! just smoek it ,it is 88.9% positibility of it being opium, cuzz I have never heard of anyone eating black tar heroin, lol, I dont know hwat I was thinkign earlier ,i just knew that SMOKING opium produces a somewhat pleasent taste, I didnt think about eating it. so yeah, just smoek a little btit ,a crud, see what it tastes liek andm maeks you feel like, fuck eating it, smoking it makes it stronger.

I think it does anyway, so I've rread.

[oxycontin]

lol damn man you still holidin o nto theat shit! just smoek it ,it is 88.9% positibility of it being opium, cuzz I have never heard of anyone eating black tar heroin, lol, I dont know hwat I was thinkign earlier ,i just knew that SMOKING opium produces a somewhat pleasent taste, I didnt think about eating it. so yeah, just smoek a little btit ,a crud, see what it tastes liek andm maeks you feel like, fuck eating it, smoking it makes it stronger.

I think it does anyway, so I've rread.

lol get ready to laugh at me.........im 2 scared 2 try it!!!!

[StealSmoke]

lol man I figured that! that's why I said don't smoke it all at once, all you need is a little tiny point, a little spec of it, on a thick sheet of aluminum foil, and hold the lighter below the foil, an inch or two BENEATH, nor directly against the foil, but so that the flame is a distanc eaway fro mthe foil, right under the spot where you place the spec of opium, nad wait till it starts turning into smoke, have a cut up straw in your mouth ready to inhale all the vapors, and you will be able to tell from then waht it is, one hit of heroin wouldnt even get you high pobably ,well it might, but not too high.

I say be careful and only smoke a tiny bit at first if you're gonna smoek it at all. if you feel like you dont wanna do it, you dont have to, go ahead and put it away and either smoke it when you feel ready tor sell itor if your generous give it to someone as a gift.

[oxycontin]

lol man I figured that! that's why I said don't smoke it all at once, all you need is a little tiny point, a little spec of it, on a thick sheet of aluminum foil, and hold the lighter below the foil, an inch or two BENEATH, nor directly against the foil, but so that the flame is a distanc eaway fro mthe foil, right under the spot where you place the spec of opium, nad wait till it starts turning into smoke, have a cut up straw in your mouth ready to inhale all the vapors, and you will be able to tell from then waht it is, one hit of heroin wouldnt even get you high pobably ,well it might, but not too high.

I say be careful and only smoke a tiny bit at first if you're gonna smoek it at all. if you feel like you dont wanna do it, you dont have to, go ahead and put it away and either smoke it when you feel ready tor sell itor if your generous give it to someone as a gift.


yea i dont know bud, im not ready to try it yet, whats the high like when smoking opium? how much do you need to smoke to get high? thanks for your replys stealsmoke

[StealSmoke]

to be honest with you I've never smoked opium, I've just read upp on it alot, it's always been the oen opiate since before I ever even tried opiates that i wanted to try, even before knowign wha topiates were, seeign the chinamen smokign it looked like fun, from wah ti read its a very mellow and euphoric high, people usually smoke several pipes to get high, first timers reported smokign up to 10 pipes of it, between three peopel though, I would say 5 pipes between three people would get everyone high as a cloud, one bown would probably get one person high. I can't speak from experience cuzz I don't have any with opium,.

whatever you're gonna do bro good luck, be careful, and have a good night! I'm gonna go watch House. lol.