Coffee with your Methadose??

[shaunclo]

I always drink coffee in the morning, and I was just wondering if its not the greatest thing to do right after you swaller 20mg's of a methadose pill. These things disolve like chalk in your mouth, and I dont want any of it going to waste. Any info would be great!!!

[antony]

i know fuck all about methadose, but with hydro it seems as a potentiator. sp? in fact coffee on its own makes me fiend for pills...but thats me

[mmnyc9]

It's strange how many People on Meth Myself included Has to have a Cup of Java after doseing. Someone Once told me He drank Hot Coffee because it melts the Meth faster! I asked him if he didn't think his Stomach Acids were strong enough:D

[jacky]

its interesting to hear about opiate addicts cravings for coffee.....coffee can contain a flavone compound that has tested positive as an opiate antagonist....so perhaps some people are actually experiencing opiate potentiation from the interaction of this antagonist with opiates, similiar to how small amounts of naloxone can actually potentiate some opiates.?????????????

or maybe the learned behavior is potent enough to cause some euphoria...

[antony]

i read an article about coffee and AA members, and how coffee make things harder for the recovering addict. it stimulates the same part of the brain that the alcohol did.

maybe i read it here...can't remember...had a massive coffee bender last night...fuckin starbucks did me in again

[mmnyc9]

I drink alot of Coffee, 2 Extra Larges a day. I do not like Starbucks I don't see what the fuss is about. Their Coffee is bitter and has no Flavor, imo. Their Lattes are Ok. A freind of mine brought Coffee from Columbia- she made it in a Fryin Pan one of those Black Iron Heavy Pans. No milk a little Brown Sugar that she made it with Man that was the best Coffee I had ever tasted.

[antony]

starbucks def isn't the best, but the best avail on the run. much better than that dunkin donuts coffee flavored piss they sell thats amp'd up

[mmnyc9]

You got that right. I had a cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee the other day it was like water I ended up throwing it out.

[blackdog]

i gotta have my joe
all day all night
anytime is allright
peace:rolleyes:

it's like a speedball along with my other medications yumyum:cool:

[antony]

You got that right. I had a cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee the other day it was like water I ended up throwing it out.

i swear to god theyre amping that shit up...i feel like after a xlarge i just did an 8ball of shit.

if i knew what an 8ball of shit was:o

[mmnyc9]

Did you ever get a Coffee Headach?= No Coffee, BANG BANG.

[antony]

Did you ever get a Coffee Headach?= No Coffee, BANG BANG.

no, not that i can remember attributing one to anyhow...but i usually keep it at 1 large starbucks coffee, no lattes or nothin, just the coffee and 5 sweetandlows.

any dairy product when im clean is an instant enima, if im using something, then its gas, neither which i like having

[ontario_opiophile]

I used to drink coffee with my methadone. All it did was add to the euphoria but since I became ill with all of my health problems I can't drink coffee. I find it makes me feel like i'm on crack or something. I literally feel coked out when I drink coffee. I can't take amphetamines, or ritalin anymore either. I can't even drink decaffieinated tea or coffee because the tiny amount of caffeine in it makes me feel agitated. I used to handle coffee well and used it as an ADD/ADHD medication when I stopped seeing a doctor for dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) and concerta (methylphenidate). It didn't work very well but meh it was better than nothing. I would probably drink coffee with methadone if i could because it's so sedating. Oh well take care everyone.

[antony]

I used to drink coffee with my methadone. All it did was add to the euphoria but since I became ill with all of my health problems I can't drink coffee. I find it makes me feel like i'm on crack or something. I literally feel coked out when I drink coffee. I can't take amphetamines, or ritalin anymore either. I can't even drink decaffieinated tea or coffee because the tiny amount of caffeine in it makes me feel agitated. I used to handle coffee well and used it as an ADD/ADHD medication when I stopped seeing a doctor for dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) and concerta (methylphenidate). It didn't work very well but meh it was better than nothing. I would probably drink coffee with methadone if i could because it's so sedating. Oh well take care everyone.

you have to had been drinking dunkin shit...knock it off and \go with hills bros. read my posts above. dunkin piss makes me feel like going to get an ekg

[blackdog]

Did you ever get a Coffee Headach?= No Coffee, BANG BANG.

did you ever get/have? a coffee enema wow that should wake yer ass up??:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: peace da/dawgg:cool:

[alowishus]

Coffee is an anitdepressant, you will also build a tolerance to it after 5-7 days of straight usage, and after that if you've been downing the java a lot and then go cold turkey w/o it, you'll get one hell of a head ache.

It's just like all the other stuff....we "USE" it....I know I do, not only do I feel better after a cup, I have more energy.

We used to make coffee w/ this bottled water called Joe, it was caffeinated....tasted just like regular water, but man that + VERY strong coffee.

We were always geeked.:D

[Coddfish]

From more than one reliable independent source I have heard that coffee will 'burn' methadone. Like it might give you a better effect early, but that it will leave you with less of an effect later in the day. I don't know that it has a huge influence, but from my experience I believe that my sources were right. It makes sense that a stimulant would speed up metabolism and therefore speed up/increase the onset while precipitating the 'down time.' I have found that when detoxing, it is best to leave off the caffine, and any other stimulant for that matter. Other than that, if it feels good, do it!

[Paregoric Kid]

caffeine can act as a GABA antagonist, alcohol acts as an indirect GABA agonist.

[antony]

caffeine can act as a GABA antagonist, alcohol acts as an indirect GABA agonist.

Huh? whats GABA...if its a dumb question, answer it anyway, i don't know what GABA is

[blackdog]

Huh? whats GABA...if its a dumb question, answer it anyway, i don't know what GABA is
hey antony,whatever you say cause i in fucking love with your avatar and /or whatever you say man that is just for some fucking reason so fucking hot sexy. man i need ta get me some a fucking avatar!!! how fucking pathetic!!! ummm what you doing this weekend lol hahahaha

[alowishus]

Huh? whats GABA...if its a dumb question, answer it anyway, i don't know what GABA is

GABA - The most common inhibitory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system.

Wikipedia can tell you better then I can type.
Has to do w/ the stuff we take, the stuff already in us and the way it interact within the ole gray matter.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter

[THEPAINTER1960]

I always drink coffee in the morning, and I was just wondering if its not the greatest thing to do right after you swaller 20mg's of a methadose pill. These things disolve like chalk in your mouth, and I dont want any of it going to waste. Any info would be great!!!
I drink coffee all morning long its habit i have had for many years. But whenever i have the chance i drink grapefruit juice with my methadone. They say you are"nt suppose to becuase it does something to some enzyme you produce in your intestine. Where it actually boosts the level of methadone in your system. You have to drink the juice right when you are taking the meth. I notice some differance once in a while. But you know how an addict"s mind works.

[JunkYardSaint]

Yeah I'm pretty sensitive as far as what potentiates my dose, and what seems to fuck with my levels. I'll often drink grapefruit juice w/my dose too, mostly because I read it boosts the level to be honest, yeah I know, I'm a fucking junkie... but coffee is something I've pretty much always drank, and cigarettes - .....seems to me coffee, cigarettes and methadone are the Holy Trinity - all three - every morning - that my friend is the true breakfast of champions hehe..... I wouldn't worry about it taking anything away from your dose - believe me, if it had an adverse effect on methadone patients the coffee shops would lose about half their business lol....at least the coffee houses here in South Austin would!!!

[Tar_Baby]

Did you ever get a Coffee Headach?= No Coffee, BANG BANG.

Yep high doses of caffiene daily will do that when you abruptly stop

[Zoop]

GABA GABA GABA - HEY! (the Ramones)

[pointed]

its interesting to hear about opiate addicts cravings for coffee.....coffee can contain a flavone compound that has tested positive as an opiate antagonist....so perhaps some people are actually experiencing opiate potentiation from the interaction of this antagonist with opiates, similiar to how small amounts of naloxone can actually potentiate some opiates.?????????????

or maybe the learned behavior is potent enough to cause some euphoria..

Learned behavior?? Hehe. Do you want to write the psych paper I've got due Monday, by any chance?? That would make an interesting topic :- ) It's been well-nigh ten years since I studied bio, so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but...I would hazard a guess that there is actually a sort of "fight" between the effects of caffeine and opiates in some ways; a heterodyning effect in others. Opiates depress the nervous system; caffeine stimulates it. Conversely, caffeine and opiates mess with the same neurotransmitters in similar ways. Of course, it's all a matter of taste :-) Personally, I think that mixing uppers and downers is a waste; I hate speedballs. Why waste good dope?? And caffeine, if I drink enough of it, eventually makes me fiend for dope, sometimes, anyway. But coffee tastes even better than usual with really good dope! (What isn't better then, really??) I have to confess that I've fallen off the caffeine wagon rather badly this week. I am now averaging 2 double-shots of espresso a morning to get through the day. The people in my office are ready to put me before a firing squad!

Best,

Kate

[Tar_Baby]

its interesting to hear about opiate addicts cravings for coffee.....coffee can contain a flavone compound that has tested positive as an opiate antagonist....so perhaps some people are actually experiencing opiate potentiation from the interaction of this antagonist with opiates, similiar to how small amounts of naloxone can actually potentiate some opiates.?????????????

or maybe the learned behavior is potent enough to cause some euphoria..

Learned behavior?? Hehe. Do you want to write the psych paper I've got due Monday, by any chance?? That would make an interesting topic :- ) It's been well-nigh ten years since I studied bio, so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but...I would hazard a guess that there is actually a sort of "fight" between the effects of caffeine and opiates in some ways; a heterodyning effect in others. Opiates depress the nervous system; caffeine stimulates it. Conversely, caffeine and opiates mess with the same neurotransmitters in similar ways. Of course, it's all a matter of taste :-) Personally, I think that mixing uppers and downers is a waste; I hate speedballs. Why waste good dope?? And caffeine, if I drink enough of it, eventually makes me fiend for dope, sometimes, anyway. But coffee tastes even better than usual with really good dope! (What isn't better then, really??) I have to confess that I've fallen off the caffeine wagon rather badly this week. I am now averaging 2 double-shots of espresso a morning to get through the day. The people in my office are ready to put me before a firing squad!

Best,

Kate



Man you guys think 2 xl cups is bad~ I brew 3 pots after coming home from clinic and drink them to myself~ I like to sit and drink coffee till about noon then go back to bed :D ( I crash off caffiene fast and work nights)
I even drink and crave coffee when Im snorting cocaine

[SomniGod]

For me.... I eat 1/2 a wafer in the morning upon waking up. I then shower and get ready, then eat, take Men's Mega Sport Vitamin, have my Mass XXX Fuel shake and an energy drink (1 1/2 redbulls OR 1 redline). I then go to work. After an 8 hour shift, I drink 1/2 of a RedLine and workout for 40-50 mins. 5 minutes after workout, I drink a protein shake, snort a 30mg roxycodone and 15 minutes after that, I smoke a cig and almost nod! it's GREAT. I eat my other half of the wafer when I get home about 1 hour before dinner (dinner is always at 8:45pm for me). I take another mega sport vitamin with dinner. Then I smoke weed until I pass out and start again in the morning. I have finally gotten this routine down. I have been on this health kick for 5 weeks now and have ALREADY cut all unwanted fat, and am now into strengthening muscle tissue and stacking muscle. I can already SEE increases in my pecs and biceps. I started this at a SCRAWNY 138lbs... I am now only 142, but I went down 2 lbs to 136 before I put this 6lbs of MUSCLE on!! I also have one of the highest metabolisms!!! If I eat it, I just shit it out, so I have to really eat A LOT...and OFTEN... ALSO--- DIET IS 80% OF YOUR BODY HEALTH IN WORKOUT!!! You want whole grain breads and pastas...nuthing white (potatoes, pastas, breads, etc). Also, lots of green veggies...try ti grille all meats (fats all drip off)...no fried foods....etc.. Diet is SO important. So is consistency. Your body needs it and will thrives when it has it. Form daily and weekly routines. You will see differences within a month. I could never have done this before.... I think most junkies couldn't do it now, but maybe there's a couple of folks out there in a similar situation where this can help them. It is working for me, and hit me up with any questions. Also, I am just learning about all this, so PLEASE correct me, add opinions, etc!!! I wanna learn and grow!!!


~S~

[Ragdoll]

Gamma-aminobutyric acid (usually abbreviated to GABA) is an inhibitory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhibitory) neurotransmitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter) found in the nervous systems of widely divergent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution) species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species). It is the chief inhibitory neurotransmitter in the vertebrate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebrate) central nervous system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_nervous_system).

From Wikipedia - more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA

[sister morphine]

Hey SomniGod- Wow, its awesome to finally hear another fellow opiophile who also cares about health and fitness! As for me, I could probably offer you alot of information on how to stay lean and fit while at the same time build muscle- even though I'm a woman in her early twenties, and a heroin addict, whose for a month now been on the clinic which has so far saved my fuckin life thank the lord:) I've actually done shit loads of research on how to exercise and build muscle and am now in the best shape of my life! Alot of people think its kinda crazy that I would spend the day shooting some diesel into my poor veins and then when I would run out at like 4 or 5 in the morning, I'd do soemthin like 100 squats and lunges, 2 sets of 20 push ups and 150 crunches and then eat a bannana and a protein shake, but hey, I was doin it every fuckin night and it actually helped me come down when I was fiendin for more dope! Anyway, that feels like a long time ago now since I've been on the clinic I actually exercise like a sane **normal** person- whatever that might be, I don't fuckin know!
Anyway, you are 100% right when you say that diet contributes to 80% of your total body health when you exercise. You actually seem like you know alot already, you are definitely on the right track! There is so much info I could offer you, too much to write in this reply, that's for damn sure!, but if you have any questions or want any of my advice you can PM me and I'd be happy to help! Like I said, its pretty damn awesome to finally hear another dope addict who also cares about keeping his body healthy and in shape! For me, after I workout, and you sound like you are like me where you are a "hard gainer" meaning you loose weight easily but its hard for you to gain it, I either eat a banana or even better have a few Tablespoons of honey and then a whey protein drink. The carb found in the banana or honey, as I'm sure you know, replenishes the glycogen stores which a hard hour of exercise depletes in your muscles, and the protein prevents muscle breakdown while promoting muscle growth. I then eat every two hours after that, always a mix of protein, carbs and good healthy fats like flaxseed oil, olive oil, fish oil, avocado, etc.- oatmeal is a favorite healthy carb, and then like you said lots of green veggies are great, along with fish and lean meats like chicken and turkey....Yadayadayada- I'm sure this probably sounds extremely boring to everyone else reading- Sorry!:o
Actually back to the coffee and methadone thread, drinking coffee before a workout I read somewhere causes your body for some reason to burn the fat yu have stored up as fuel for the workout, and also gives you a great spike in energy at the same time....
I personally am now up to 90 mgs of methadone, which I always follow with a cup of joe, I think just cuz I have settled into the routine of doing it.... I've never noticed the coffee have any effect on my 'done fix, although I have heard that drinkin coffee increases an opiate high somethin like 25%..who knows if thats true or not.... anyway again sorry to everyone else for the health nut ramblin'! , hopefully someone got somethin interesting or useful out of it! And SominGod, if you want any other info or pointers or tips on good websites to go to for muscle building and exercise info, just PM me and I'd be happy to help! Peace....

[Narkotikon]

i read an article about coffee and AA members, and how coffee make things harder for the recovering addict. it stimulates the same part of the brain that the alcohol did.

maybe i read it here...can't remember...had a massive coffee bender last night...fuckin starbucks did me in again

LOL. That's funny, especially since how they push coffee at meetings. You'd think they'd get wise and eliminate it so as to increase their numbers.

I never really drank coffee when I was on Methadone, but I took Provigil everyday. It's a Schedule IV stimulant, but it's not really euphoric. It's more like a coffee buzz, without the jitteriness. I took it because the doctor was concerned about me sleeping all day, yet insisted I take more methadone. Isn't life funny?

[Narkotikon]

Gamma-aminobutyric acid (usually abbreviated to GABA) is an inhibitory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhibitory) neurotransmitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter) found in the nervous systems of widely divergent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution) species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species). It is the chief inhibitory neurotransmitter in the vertebrate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebrate) central nervous system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_nervous_system).

From Wikipedia - more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA


Yeah, isn't GABA the neurtransmitter that's increased by benzo's, barbs, and alcohol? I once took a drug class in college and learned about all of that, but it's fuzzy now. If GABA's the inhibitory neuro-t, then isn't Glutamate the excitatory nerotransmitter?

[insaneike]

Yeah, I MUST have my coffe with my daily opioids(severe chronic pain)! It does indeed boost them some good bit! You'd be amazed how much perk they add tot he opiate euphoria. It's a decent opi booster. Thats why certain codeine tabs have it in it i guess, to maybe add 'something' to such a worthless opi, imo lol.

later

[alowishus]

Caffine opens up your blood vessels, helps blood flow, headaches are casued by constricted blood vessels, hence the pounding feeling of pain, and double hence (:D ) why it's (caffine) used in headache meds.

Ergo (ya know those little french snails) w/ nice hunks of oxy, hydro, smack, or morph floating around in your veins it's gonna get a littel kick.:p


Why am eye STILL UP:rolleyes:

[flipside]

A is right, it is def. a vasodilator, I had forgotten that it's used in opi HA pills. Gues that's nuff said.