Questions about IV: need intelligent good answers!

[hydrocodonious]

My friend just started shooting Tar H and i want to make sure hes doing everything correctly and safely as he can. Ill be with him tomorrow (might do it too).

1. In Cali im sure you can buy rigs from a pharmacy w/o a script am I right? Dont know where to get some that arent 40min away...small insulin ones are fine yes?

2. tightly rolled cotton to filter or something else? filter twice for extra cleanlyness ? (tar bullshit), we dont care about losing some if itll be healthier and not as black death.

3. alcohol swab the arm beforehand of course, but what about the needle to rid it of any loose "cotton fibers?"

4. go in at an angle, pull back to see if your registered, push in halfway, see if you did too much, pull back a little more and finish up?

5. Whats the risk of bacterial infection like endocarditis with someone with a minor heart murmur.

6. are there a lot of Insoluble materials? :( worried about the effects on heart (terrible anxiety/heart attack worry with that particular organ which is gonna recieve a blacky shit looking substance).

7. probably gonna start with half a 0.05 (half a point) or as much as it takes to feel something when smoking it. dont want to die. H aint worth it. probably wont even feel it cause gonna be paranoid and do small ammount. good idea?

8. add anthing else thats considered GOOD harm reduction, hopefully a reply from a health professional rather than a junkie professional (e.g. fuck that man do .2 at first and you dont need to swab your arm or use cotton blah blah der der.)

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BTW in southern california. Feel free to AIM or PM me i think its in my profile. Peace.

OH AND I HAVE NALTREXONE 50mg IF SOMETHING GOES worng SHOULD I SHOVE ONE or two DOWN HIS THROAT BEFORE CALLING AN AMBULANCE?

Thanks in advance, and dont bother trying to tell me to talk him out of it hes done it already once. I just want him to do it right if hes going to do it at all.

[Black_Pony]

1. certain pharmacies, but few AND far between. Go for an exchange.

2. Filter once, cotton or wheel filters

3. swab before, dont trip on 'fibers.'

4. uh, what?

5. MUCH greater risk!!!

6. all soluble. particles get filtered

7. Safe

8.

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Dont shoot! You're life will be forever changed. Be forewarned.

My friend just started shooting Tar H and i want to make sure hes doing everything correctly and safely as he can. Ill be with him tomorrow (might do it too).

1. In Cali im sure you can buy rigs from a pharmacy w/o a script am I right? Dont know where to get some that arent 40min away...small insulin ones are fine yes?

2. tightly rolled cotton to filter or something else? filter twice for extra cleanlyness ? (tar bullshit), we dont care about losing some if itll be healthier and not as black death.

3. alcohol swab the arm beforehand of course, but what about the needle to rid it of any loose "cotton fibers?"

4. go in at an angle, pull back to see if your registered, push in halfway, see if you did too much, pull back a little more and finish up?

5. Whats the risk of bacterial infection like endocarditis with someone with a minor heart murmur.

6. are there a lot of Insoluble materials? :( worried about the effects on heart (terrible anxiety/heart attack worry with that particular organ which is gonna recieve a blacky shit looking substance).

7. probably gonna start with half a 0.05 (half a point) or as much as it takes to feel something when smoking it. dont want to die. H aint worth it. probably wont even feel it cause gonna be paranoid and do small ammount. good idea?

8. add anthing else thats considered GOOD harm reduction, hopefully a reply from a health professional rather than a junkie professional (e.g. fuck that man do .2 at first and you dont need to swab your arm or use cotton blah blah der der.)


BTW in southern california. Feel free to AIM or PM me i think its in my profile. Peace.

OH AND I HAVE NALTREXONE 50mg IF SOMETHING GOES worng SHOULD I SHOVE ONE or two DOWN HIS THROAT BEFORE CALLING AN AMBULANCE?

Thanks in advance, and dont bother trying to tell me to talk him out of it hes done it already once. I just want him to do it right if hes going to do it at all.

[Papa Verine]

Look... shooting tar is not a "healthy" thing to do under any circumstances. People who inject "tar heroin" (whatever that might be) are taking risks. Don't ask about safe, pure and healthy methods for shooting tar. You filter it as best you can, you inject it directly into a vein, and your body reacts accordingly. Problems will sometimes arise no matter how many precautions you take. So either DON'T DO IT, or accept the fact that you're partaking in an unhealthy practice and harmful consequences can occur.

My point is that we don't have a pharmaceutical grade heroin program in this country. What we inject into our veins is decided by some greedy drug dealer. There's just NO absolutely safe way to do it. Sorry...

There are risks accociated with shooting black tar heroin that cannot be avoided. Take ALL nessicary precautions but don't be under the delusion that you can be 100% safe about it.

[rcb]

My friend just started shooting Tar H and i want to make sure hes doing everything correctly and safely as he can. Ill be with him tomorrow (might do it too).

1. In Cali im sure you can buy rigs from a pharmacy w/o a script am I right? Dont know where to get some that arent 40min away...small insulin ones are fine yes?


I'm not from Cali, so I don't know. You have nothing to lose asking for some rigs.. do what Black_Pony said and hit an exchange if possible. And yes, small insulin needles are fine.

2. tightly rolled cotton to filter or something else? filter twice for extra cleanlyness ? (tar bullshit), we dont care about losing some if itll be healthier and not as black death.

Cotton has always worked for me. I use powder though. Either way.. should work fine.

3. alcohol swab the arm beforehand of course, but what about the needle to rid it of any loose "cotton fibers?"

I've never done this and have never had a problem. If it makes you feel comfortable, just eyeball it to check if theres anything odd about the needle...

4. go in at an angle, pull back to see if your registered, push in halfway, see if you did too much, pull back a little more and finish up?

Yeah.. sure.. Do a small amount. If you're doing too much, its always too late once you realize it.

5. Whats the risk of bacterial infection like endocarditis with someone with a minor heart murmur.



6. are there a lot of Insoluble materials? :( worried about the effects on heart (terrible anxiety/heart attack worry with that particular organ which is gonna recieve a blacky shit looking substance).

Shooting heroin is not a safe practice. If you're this worried about it, I suggest snorting it/not doing H at all. I suggest that anyway, actually..

7. probably gonna start with half a 0.05 (half a point) or as much as it takes to feel something when smoking it. dont want to die. H aint worth it. probably wont even feel it cause gonna be paranoid and do small ammount. good idea?

I think thats a safe place to start.

8. add anthing else thats considered GOOD harm reduction, hopefully a reply from a health professional rather than a junkie professional (e.g. fuck that man do .2 at first and you dont need to swab your arm or use cotton blah blah der der.)

9


BTW in southern california. Feel free to AIM or PM me i think its in my profile. Peace.

OH AND I HAVE NALTREXONE 50mg IF SOMETHING GOES worng SHOULD I SHOVE ONE or two DOWN HIS THROAT BEFORE CALLING AN AMBULANCE?

Thanks in advance, and dont bother trying to tell me to talk him out of it hes done it already once. I just want him to do it right if hes going to do it at all.

[DCBA]

1- small ones are ok

2 - i allways used cigarret filters, and the IV drug user kit offered by the state in here comes with 2 cigarret filters.

3 - didn't get the idea..

4 - thats it!

5 - allways there, you could boil/heat the solution to try to minimize the risk, but its allways there. You must filter really well, if there aren't any small solids in the solution the risk is way minimized.

6 - Again, filter well.. its risky but few junkies get endocartitis and things like that dispite few hygiene.

7 - Do the amount u are confortable with smoking. Maybe a little less.


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if you use naltrexone... then use just 2 - 5 mgs, it will give you instant WD effects. if swiy is still not responding after 5-10minutes then add more 10-15mgs.

[mollywopped]

That sounds about right. There is insoluable shit in there, but the cotton prevents it from getting into the rig and yes, the insulin needles are what you want. All in all, it sounds like you have it about right, just be prepared for the road you guys are going down.

Oh, call 911 if he OD's. If you try to shove pills down his throat he'll probably just choke on them. Saltwater doesn't work, cold water doesn't work, coke and meth don't work. Just call 911 and give CPR until they get there. Oh and flush the drugs too, sometimes the cops come also. But if you do have to call 911, don't say there is an OD, just say he stopped breathing. That way the cops are less likely to come.

Oh, and most pharmacies here (SoCal) don't sell rigs w/o a script, but LA has a lot of needle exchanges.

[Black_Pony]

I know! You know, I used to go to this Longs when I used to live out in San Luis Obispo and it was rigs all day. Just throw down your ID, sign here, and hand over $3.27 (including tax). A GREAT fucking service to a community greatly lacking in exchanges.

I must have tried to buy rigs at 20-30 other Longs, same county, all different counties, throughout California and have NEVER found another Longs with the same policy. Or any other pharmacy for that matter. It defies comprehension that if the one Longs is run that way with no legal repercussions, why all Longs and drug stores in general wouldn't want to stop the spread of infectious diseases within their community by sellings rigs w/o a script

And its not like San Luis Obispo county is particularly progressive with regards to drug laws. In fact, quite the opposite. It really boggles my dope saturated brain. Just for that, I'm gonna teach my brain a lesson by inhaling copious amounts of marijuana smoke and blasting loud rock music. That way I can do some head banging and really punish the old opiate-receptacle (ie. thats how I refer to my brain).

:-)


Oh, and most pharmacies here (SoCal) don't sell rigs w/o a script, but LA has a lot of needle exchanges.

[Woody Bear]

Almost all the stories I read about shooting tar end in: "And now my veins are so hard and fucked that I can't shoot anywhere anymore". Filtering tar isn't enough to purify it, you'd really need to do an acid-base extraction on it to get it smokable or IV safe. I don't know why exactly tar fucks up your veins more then powdered dope, but it's not caused by not filtering it, it's something else in it.

So really either purify the tar into pure heroin, and use a weighed amount of that every time. This way you'll always have a consistent dose despite starting with tar which fluctuates in strength.

Or plug the tar instead. If your not willing to purify your tar, then plugging would be the closest effect to IV that you can get, but it won't fuck your veins up.

[20Dollarholla]

Damn, it is that hard to get a few rigs out there? I live in a small town with a huge opiate problem and the pharmacist wont think twice to sell you some needles, even if you were filling a script for Oxy at the same time, lol. Seriously. Is it a state law that you need a perscription to buy needles or is it up to the individual running the pharmacy whether or not to sell the needles? What if you tell them you are giving puppies shots so you dont have to take them to a vetrenarian or some shit, lol. Doesnt your local Wal-mart serve you up, if mine does I dont see why yours wouldnt, unless like I asked if it was a state law.

These places should feel they are serving the community, I sure as hell would sell them to anyone who needed them. A person can easily do some body harm, by using old needles or worse, someone elses old needles. I just dont get it.

If this is a state law that you need a insulin perscription, what if you bought rigs that werent insulin rigs? I'm guessing its the same story, but thought maybe there was some sort of loophole.

Now can you buy tips for a barrel you already have without the script? Can internet sources ship them to Cali legally without the script? Sorry for all the questions, but it just seems absurd to me to aid the spread of Hep and HIV when it can easily be prevented.

Do these place think that since you cant buy a new one you wont use your old dirty one or someonelses, because that is just insane, a junkies gonna shoot even if the only needle he has is an old, dirty, 60cc garden syringe with an 18 gauge tip, I've been there.



I know! You know, I used to go to this Longs when I used to live out in San Luis Obispo and it was rigs all day. Just throw down your ID, sign here, and hand over $3.27 (including tax). A GREAT fucking service to a community greatly lacking in exchanges.

I must have tried to buy rigs at 20-30 other Longs, same county, all different counties, throughout California and have NEVER found another Longs with the same policy. Or any other pharmacy for that matter. It defies comprehension that if the one Longs is run that way with no legal repercussions, why all Longs and drug stores in general wouldn't want to stop the spread of infectious diseases within their community by sellings rigs w/o a script

And its not like San Luis Obispo county is particularly progressive with regards to drug laws. In fact, quite the opposite. It really boggles my dope saturated brain. Just for that, I'm gonna teach my brain a lesson by inhaling copious amounts of marijuana smoke and blasting loud rock music. That way I can do some head banging and really punish the old opiate-receptacle (ie. thats how I refer to my brain).

:-)

[hydrocodonious]

Thank you everyone for your replys. Yea im getting a couple rigs tomorrow ill probably do it friday. I know for sure there is no way to make everything safe about it. Just wanted to do it the best i can. Thanks for all the info. Ill probably do so little i wont even feel it cause im so cautious. Thanks for the advice and I will post how it is :). oh and of course i will be taking him to the hospital if he ODs. Im gonna teach him cpr if I do it as well. all i worry about is cotton fever, missing the hit, and endocarditis. thanks guys. later. If i start feling symptoms of endo later on ill notify my internal medicine/sub dr and he'll take care of me. so many hands touching the gear and all that bacteria just freaks me out. I DO know how to do an A/B extraction however I dont think i can go to my college and borrow there lab and NaOH and HCL sol'ns for an hour or two haha.

I really wish it wasnt the fucking tar but gotta do what you can get in this shitty state (cali).

Oh and one more thing....Distilled water or some nice purified shit like Fiji or something haha.

[SpecialGuy69]

cold running tap water is cleaner than bottled water.

I didn't post until now because you said you wanted good, intellegent answers. All i got is bad, stupid questions.

[StealSmoke]

I see so many of these threads lately, "nmy friend is gonna do this, btu I need to do everythign for him", I mean if you're trying to help your friend nad doeverythign for him, that's cute and all, btu I would suggest informing your friend that he should be the one learnign all about this, and he should be the one buying the needles, and ect ect, if indeed HE is the one who is shooting up and not you, that way he'll be well informed for the times he does it in the future, instead of you learnign everything for him, I'm not sure, but I don't think it works that way.

anyway, good luck, and I sincerely hope that atleast YOU'RE not gonna be dumb enough( no offense to anyone at all) to inject heroin in your veins. sniff the shit or smoke it, five times less a chance of getting strung out, or so I've heard.

[Thebane]

anyway, good luck, and I sincerely hope that atleast YOU'RE not gonna be dumb enough( no offense to anyone at all) to inject heroin in your veins. sniff the shit or smoke it, five times less a chance of getting strung out, or so I've heard.

You are ignorant and it is painfully apparent to everyone here. Do some research. Find statistics from places other than "DARE for 6th graders." (And learn English. It's really not that hard.)

[jdub]

You are ignorant and it is painfully apparent to everyone here. Do some research. Find statistics from places other than "DARE for 6th graders." (And learn English. It's really not that hard.)

Church.

[Thebane]

Church.

This is supposed to be a harm-reduction site and he's spewing complete bullshit in this and many other threads. (e.g. saying 25 mg of hydro will kill a long-term addict.) If you don't know what the fuck is going on maybe you shouldn't jump in.

[scramble]

endocarditis is a bacteria that gets into you through IVing dirty dope.....(and other ways, but we're talking dopefiends here)

Here in AZ its very common in the junkie community...probably half the heads I know have it, or had it including my connect who now has had a porcine (pig) valve placed because of scarring from endocarditis.

The murmur wont have much influence on catching the critter. Use as clean of "utensils and product" as you can and good luck.