heroin/methadone@same time?

[blackdog]

hi all, was wondering if there's any others like myself,who find it detremental to use methadone and heroin alongside of each other.
i myself try not to use my meth except in minimal dose for emergencies. as in times of no money=no dope.
i find that any excessive usage/high dosage of meth takes away the high from any immediate use of heroin, whadafuck did i just say?
what i mean is meth takes away from the dope alot.everybody knows the one guy that sez the dope aint shit and he don't feel nothin from it.well see how much meth he's using probally 2-3 diskette's a day.talk 2 me peace da/dawgg:cool:

[Coddfish]

"they" claim that there is a methadone blocking dose (60mg and above I think?) where people can no longer get high. I was well over 100mg and still got high by just rinsing my cottons. It was not, however the same nod-my-ass-off, can't-stand-up sort of deal. I agree that mixing the two is not good, although I never realized it until I quit one. In my case, there was a reaction that left me with a strange 'not quite right' feeling. It left me zapped of energy and really sweaty, and usually in a bad mood. Imagine my joy at finding that I wasn't a sweaty, lazy, asshole, but that it was mostly just the drug interactions. Now I'm just an asshole.

[poppy]

I know that there is supposed to be some blocking thing in meth to stop folk getting a really good buzz off their gear, I can't say its ever been significant enough to put me off using gear on top of my script. I've had my script 7+ years so its been a long time since I just did heroin without meth in my system. Although I have to say I definitely feel more off my methadone amps when I've laid off the gear for 4-5 days in order to do a clean test at the meth clinic (vital if one wants to keep one's meth script!!!)

By the way Coddfish are u off all medication now then? Do u mean that it was the meth that left u feeling:
'zapped of energy and really sweaty, and usually in a bad mood. Imagine my joy at finding that I wasn't a sweaty, lazy, asshole, but that it was mostly just the drug interactions.'
cos that describes how I feel to a tee most of the time. I always feel better when I've stopped the gear for 4 days and just used my script (and usually bought extra meth on top) in order to be able do a clean test. The mad thing is I then usually reward myself with a nice bag of gear. Where's the sense in that?

[kramorph]

Thats the whole idea, why they use methadone, plus it is the cheapest opiate.But basically, it does take away some of the high.But it is the same as if ya have a shot in the morning then another later on, it isnt as good as it was in the morning.By being on 'done, you always have some opiate floating around in ya blood so you dont get the euphoric rush of a body that has no opiate in it. I wish I could take my 'done only when needed.I have been telling my doc that for ages.But the law here wont allow it, we have to take it each day supervised by a pharmacist?!!? Like children.

[Coddfish]

Poppy,
Im on a very low dose of Bupe now (1mg/day), and I feel infinitely better than I have since starting the whole mess 11 years ago. Lost 35 lbs, excercising, eating well. But more to your point, I found that once I quit using H on top of meth and got stable, things were MUCH better. You gotta give yourself a few days to start to get used to it, but imo it's worth it. And you can quit blowing $ on dope. I remember the done clinic staffers telling me how bad it was to mix done and dope. Turns out they were right this once. I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day. If a person ever plans to be get off all opiates, then doubling up is probably not the way to go. Fact is, I feel for people who have to do that, it's not an easy thing to stop doing. None of this is. Even the 1mg bup I'm on is hard to nix (God, if I could give that first shot back). But it could be always be worse.

[blackdog]

Thats the whole idea, why they use methadone, plus it is the cheapest opiate.But basically, it does take away some of the high.But it is the same as if ya have a shot in the morning then another later on, it isnt as good as it was in the morning.By being on 'done, you always have some opiate floating around in ya blood so you dont get the euphoric rush of a body that has no opiate in it. I wish I could take my 'done only when needed.I have been telling my doc that for ages.But the law here wont allow it, we have to take it each day supervised by a pharmacist?!!? Like children.

yea kramorph i hear ya. when your holding a fistfull of gear ya best make that first fix count cause if ya try doing some more just to get a little more bang yer wasting yer dope.we were just talking on another thread about waiting till yer almost about sick kinda fer a couple a reasons ....1 is so you can have a good bowel movement.a spiritual moment at times yes lord. and 2 so you can appreciate your products quality instead of just banging away and wasting it all when it could have lasted twice to thrice the amount of time. it gives me no patience good gear. uh-uh my/bad
peace da/dawgg:cool:

[poppy]

Coddfish Thanks for the reply. U 've confirmed what I knew deep down. By the way how did u get on to the bupe, did u reduce down so far and then switch? Also as u say u've lost a fair bit of weight, did u put weight on when u were maintaining on meth?

[Coddfish]

Yeah, I put on weight while on meth, like 50lbs (was a little skinny before starting it). F'n stuff is evil that way. One day I weighed myself and it said 213 lbs. I was like "Bullshit! Scale is broken." I knew I'd put on a little weight, but I'd never weighed more than 170. Imagine how depressed I was when I realized the scale was LIGHT! That, my friends, didn't help my 'recovery' (such as it was). To your other question, I had been on the verge of jumping off methadone for about a year and a half, so I was well below the 30mg threshold. I was at 20 mg when I started bupe, I think, but that dose was higher than what I had been on. I couldn't ever get around that last 15mg of meth. Now I am almost glad I didn't, as detoxing off bup has been FAR easier.

[THEPAINTER1960]

Thats the whole idea, why they use methadone, plus it is the cheapest opiate.But basically, it does take away some of the high.But it is the same as if ya have a shot in the morning then another later on, it isnt as good as it was in the morning.By being on 'done, you always have some opiate floating around in ya blood so you dont get the euphoric rush of a body that has no opiate in it. I wish I could take my 'done only when needed.I have been telling my doc that for ages.But the law here wont allow it, we have to take it each day supervised by a pharmacist?!!? Like children.
Yes you are a 100% right i am on 130 millagrams right now and absolutely feel no dope. I plan to go up at least another 20 millagrams. And then i want to try to split my dose to 75 millagrams at 5:00 a.m. and the other 75 millagrams at maybe 1:00 p.m. What do you think i will be straight. Thank you

[mmnyc9]

CoddFish everything you said is dead on! The weight, the fogged out feeling. It's good to here you were able to switch. That's what I want to try doing. I don't feal D at all so I haven't tried in a long time, just a waste of money.