A Shot at Panic

[captain6]

Hey guys. So, swims been clean for about a year and a half. Its been amazing times, but along the way swim has always wanted to have a taste every once in a while. There was a time that swim found what appeared to be a rock of tar heroin at the bottom of one of his suitcases, and this was about one year into being clean. Swim tried to smoke it and had an instant full on panic attack. Swim thought he was gonna die.

Now there is a chance that it wasnt even heroin, thus explaining the panic attack. However, everytime weed is smoked since swim has quit, he gets massive panic attacks. Swim relates that to the fact that he used to slam lots of coca/tar and it screwed over his heart...........maybe?

Swims doubt is, right now, if he were to do a normal shot of h, is there a chance he could have a massive panic attack, have a heart attack and die? Or do opiates like heroin depress the nervous system too much to induce panic/heart attacks?

Thanks for any insight!

[WarmCyanide]

panic attacks and heart attacks aren't typically related. if you are healthy, a panic attack won't kill you. if youre thinking too much about it already, youre priming yourself for one. dont think about it. dont sit there counting your pulse. put a pillow over your chest so you can't feel your heartbeating as much. a buddy of mine cant smoke weed cuz it makes him to panicky. h i dunno. don't trip, foo

[captain6]

Good point. Some people cause the shit mentally and it has nothing to do with any chemicals.

[SeVeN]

Hey guys. So, swims been clean for about a year and a half. Its been amazing times, but along the way swim has always wanted to have a taste every once in a while. There was a time that swim found what appeared to be a rock of tar heroin at the bottom of one of his suitcases, and this was about one year into being clean. Swim tried to smoke it and had an instant full on panic attack. Swim thought he was gonna die.

Now there is a chance that it wasnt even heroin, thus explaining the panic attack. However, everytime weed is smoked since swim has quit, he gets massive panic attacks. Swim relates that to the fact that he used to slam lots of coca/tar and it screwed over his heart...........maybe?

Swims doubt is, right now, if he were to do a normal shot of h, is there a chance he could have a massive panic attack, have a heart attack and die? Or do opiates like heroin depress the nervous system too much to induce panic/heart attacks?

Thanks for any insight!

Dude I use to love weed but when I took to H full time I gave up weed. If I smoke anything above a few hits I get real bad anxieties. Heart pounding n shit. Still take a puff seldomly at night though. And who the hell is this SWIM I keep hearing about?!!? LoL

[captain6]

hahahahaha. Swim is a mystery to many. Some say he/she is a natural phenomenon that happens when the moon is off its axis. Some say swim is what many people claim to have seen and referred to as "bigfoot". Some just don't even bother wondering because swims mysteries are great and many. :D

Yeah weed sucks. So then perhaps it is common for people who have used heroin to get anxiety from maryj. Thats good to know.

[jdub]

hahahahaha. Swim is a mystery to many. Some say he/she is a natural phenomenon that happens when the moon is off its axis. Some say swim is what many people claim to have seen and referred to as "bigfoot". Some just don't even bother wondering because swims mysteries are great and many. :D

Yeah weed sucks. So then perhaps it is common for people who have used heroin to get anxiety from maryj. Thats good to know.

[morpheos]

Yeah weed sucks. So then perhaps it is common for people who have used heroin to get anxiety from maryj. Thats good to know.

I used to smoke weed day in and day out, everyday. For years this was basically the only drug I did. I can't stand the stuff now. Once I moved on to "harder" stuff it started giving me panic attacks or did nothing at all. Weird - I can stick a needle in my arm but pot makes me flip out. Even potheads annoy me now (no offense to any pot-smokers out there, I'm just in a different state of mind now than most potheads I know).
I dunno...
~Peace

[rcb]

I used to love smoking pot.. as I got older though it started making me feel paranoid and it gave me intense feelings of anxiety.. After using my old friend H, I wouldn't even give pot a second thought..

[GA_M'Done120]

That is no ones business. I thought this website was for people who undersatnd, have been there and do not judge? I was under the impression we had all had issues and questions.True?

[RxQueen]

That is no ones business. I thought this website was for people who undersatnd, have been there and do not judge? I was under the impression we had all had issues and questions.True?


every person on this planet has issues and questions. but who ever told you that this site was free of judgements? if you feel that your answer to any question asked of the general membership here is no one's business, you don't have to answer at all. none of the posts you've made in the past day make any sense at all. (<== that's my judgement call on that)

[Mallinckrodt]

I agree with most of the answers here. When I first started to 'alter my perception' with drugs, weed was awesome, then came the H and oxys and I still loved the pot. . .it even helped me nod harder.

There was however, this older lady I hung out with. She was at least a 30 year junkie when i met her and was prescribed 90 count of every strength OC, those were the days. Anyway, I always thought it was weird when she would go to cop some H or something, she would occasionally come back with a sack of buds for her son's and she never smoked any herself. I was young and stupid at the time(and still am),but I just couldn't understand how anybody with the means to smoke ganj wouldn't partake.

She said she couldn't do it, it made her feel crazy and she told me that it had been over 20yrs since she had been able to smoke. I just didn't understand. Well, fast-forward 8 years or so and now I have a much better understanding of this issue. I still smoke almost daily, but only 1 or 2 hits in the evening to wind down and even those sometimes make me anxious and have the opposite effect.

I have a theory on this: As we progress in our opiate addictions, we do more and more stupid things to maintain and feel more and more guilty each time. Now not everybody has had to live like this, but maybe someone out there knows what I mean. For me sometimes, all of the things that I have tried to forgive myself for and push to the back of my mind come right out fresh in my brain when I get stoned. This just makes me real nervous and sometimes I even have minor panic attacks where I feel like I can't breath and just start to pace the floor.

Maybe pot just makes it harder for some of us to repress the memories we would rather not have, I don't know, but it feels like it for me. It also makes me think about all of the bills that are due sometimes and I really hate that.

[Poppylvr]

hahahahaha. Swim is a mystery to many. Some say he/she is a natural phenomenon that happens when the moon is off its axis. Some say swim is what many people claim to have seen and referred to as "bigfoot". Some just don't even bother wondering because swims mysteries are great and many. :D

Yeah weed sucks. So then perhaps it is common for people who have used heroin to get anxiety from maryj. Thats good to know.

To the SWIMming Captain6:

I don't think you'd have a bad time if it was really H. I think it would probably chill you right out & give you a good ole time.
Interesting insight on maryjane in us HARD DRUG users....Once I started with opiates for reals, I too got severe anxiety / panic attacks when I ingested weed. It's reassuring to read others have the same issue.

[clonaze-whammed]

Maybe pot just makes it harder for some of us to repress the memories we would rather not have, I don't know, but it feels like it for me. It also makes me think about all of the bills that are due sometimes and I really hate that.


I totally agree, weed makes you think too much, and a negative thought spiral can quickly result in panic.

There's nicer ways to feel relaxed and lethargic than smoking weed !!

[Black_Pony]

I would like to suggest that perhaps your 'tar heroin' was really hashish of some kind. Good hash will often be blonde and crumbly. But I have smoked shit that was black and gooey, VERY similar in appearance to tar.

Did it taste like H? I'm just throwing this idea out there.

Also, I know how you feel about your heart. After my last run, I've been VERY conscious of my heartbeat and breathing. The other day I shot a bunch of coke and smoked some speed, and I thought my heart was gonna beat out of my chest. Ever since then I've felt like a complete hypochondriac. Completely preoccupied with my heartbeat and respiratory function. I cant decide if Im about to have a heart attack or if I'm just being crazy. It seems like when I'm on opiates is the only time I relax and forget about my physical condition. Good luck, my man! Just wanted to say, I can relate.

[morpheos]

I have a theory on this: As we progress in our opiate addictions, we do more and more stupid things to maintain and feel more and more guilty each time. Now not everybody has had to live like this, but maybe someone out there knows what I mean. For me sometimes, all of the things that I have tried to forgive myself for and push to the back of my mind come right out fresh in my brain when I get stoned. This just makes me real nervous and sometimes I even have minor panic attacks where I feel like I can't breath and just start to pace the floor.

Maybe pot just makes it harder for some of us to repress the memories we would rather not have, I don't know, but it feels like it for me. It also makes me think about all of the bills that are due sometimes and I really hate that.

Yeah, I can really relate to this. This is exactly what happens to me when I smoke - I start thinking about my life, the money I've spent, the bills I owe, what I'm putting in my body, the situations I'm putting myself into, and especially my little girl. I hope this doesn't sound to sappy, but when I look at her, I see some kind of innocence, something that I lost and want to regain, just being able to be a father and enjoy the little things without putting pills in my nose or needles in my arm. More and more I'm thinking about just cleaning up and trying to get somewhere that I once was, but of course with more wisdom and understanding, gained from this rough road that we have all traveled here.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Agreed on most points...

I used to be a hell of a pothead, but after a while (even before I started this love affair with Mama Poppy), I started getting *very* paranoid on weed, to the point that I thought that the people I was hanging with were gonna whip out a knife or something...

I also got the shakes really bad, I was shivering as if I was very cold.

Too much analysis, negative ideation, very bad self-depreciation, etc.

I think that some people can only smoke pot for so long, and then the brain simply gets saturated or something.

If I am drinking or getting high on opiates, I can take a toke or two and not fall apart; the pot will slow me down and make me sleepy and weird. No more hysterical giggle-sessions, though, and I miss 'em.

C'est la vie, I guess.

D

[clinton]

its the weed man..
happened to me as well...
its all in youR mind.

[turdkenedy]

the dope could have been cut with some sort of stimulant

marijuana acts as a stimulant when you smoke alot.

a bad experience can entirely change your drug experience. i had a "freakout" on weed once where i had a panic attack. after that i lost my desire to smoke weed and i havent smoked in a couple years now.

i doubt that would happen with dope because of its strong sedative effects, but there is a chance you just had a panic attack or it was cut.

[reddragon3668]

I can totally relate to this thread. I thought I was the only one until I read this. Between the ages of 11 till I was 19 and had my first child, I was on hell of a pot head. I bet my normal respiration was 60% THC. I smoked the shit all the time and loved it.

Once I quit, though, I didn't smoke any for about 10 years. I had a bunch of plumbers and fitters working for me and most them weren't worth a damn if they weren't high. I had one guy who was a hell of a plumber who was trying to quit, after about three days of him being so frickin' unbearable and not worth damn, I told him that he didn't get high that I was going to send him back to the shop.

Anyways, every once in a while, I would take a hit here and there at lunch or first thing in the morning. Every time I did, however, it made me so paranoid and filled with anxiety that I wasn't worth a fuck. Prior to that, I had never had a panic attack. But, I got real acquainted with them and wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.

Its probably been 9 years or so since I've smoked any weed, but I am sure it would do the same thing to me. Its amazing that something that I lived for, something that I enjoyed immensely, now has turned against me. I would have never thought. And, its just as prevalent around me today as it ever was. But, it does absolutely nothing for me these days but make me want to crawl out of my own skin.

And, GA_M'Done120, where in the fuck that come from? Did I miss something, or are you just paranoid? Have you been smoking weed? :confused:

[southernbelle]

I think GA_w/e had a psychotic break or something, reddragon. There were some really strange posts that day from him.

[ashx0xlee]

I dunno, i need something to keep me from the panic attacks. I never really had them until i got involved with opiates, and now it seems whenever i am without them i wake up in hysterics not knowing where i am. I try to smoke every now and then, but i have to be with a group in order to enjoy. I used to light up five to six times a day. City runs and l rides. It used to be the best, but opening that god damn gate took all that fun away. ::shrugs:: but i'm about to light up now so i hope this is will cover up the my dope sickness for a few hours and then its back to the same old shit. : \

[captain6]

Yeah, I can really relate to this. This is exactly what happens to me when I smoke - I start thinking about my life, the money I've spent, the bills I owe, what I'm putting in my body, the situations I'm putting myself into, and especially my little girl. I hope this doesn't sound to sappy, but when I look at her, I see some kind of innocence, something that I lost and want to regain, just being able to be a father and enjoy the little things without putting pills in my nose or needles in my arm. More and more I'm thinking about just cleaning up and trying to get somewhere that I once was, but of course with more wisdom and understanding, gained from this rough road that we have all traveled here.

Thats not sappy at all my friend. That really touching actually. I think lots of people here know that dirty feeling, where you cry for hours thinking about how you used to be an innocent little kid in your parents arms. Its really heartbreaking. But at the same time, you have the opportunity to fill your life with that love and innocence a child has. Take advantage of that man, and use that as your strength to clean up.....because I can guarantee you nothing in this life will leave you more devasted than one day sitting there knowing that you could have done so much more for a child that is now all grown up.

I don't know your particular situation, but truly man, you have a wonderful blessing there, take advantage of it and enjoy it.:)

Wow its so cool to see that many of us have this anxiety problem. hehe Well I guess now I prolly wouldnt freak out doing H, but i'll hold off for now.

[matfield]

^^yeah i have these anxiety problems too. used to smoke weed from 13 to 19 excessively and then suddenly had my first horrible panic attack after smokin a bong in the evening.
i thought i was going to die of a heart attack or a stroke or something and then when i was still alive half an hour later i thought i just was going crazy.... and that feeling lasted for 3 days after i got my first shrink visit who explained the nature of panic attacks to me. that you either feel like you're gonna die or going nuts. one of the most scary things in these days was that no one could understand what i was talking about and i was nearly unable to explain what i was going through and that made everything even more scary to me and made me even more feel like i was going nuts...
But now...years later..i am thinking that it was maybe related to my benzo use during the 2-3years before. some kind of first withdraw maybe
i mean it was not that much diazepam i used to do these days but still....maybe enought to cause anxiety like that..
i have to deal with anxiety still. its not that bad anymore because i know that i have to tell myself that it wont kill me and that it goes away.i just make sure i always carry some valium with me with calms me down a lot because i know theres something when really needed but i didn't use them for years. i just know that there would be something to calm me down if it might get unbearable. but i found out that its mostly the fear of the fear that causes anxiety and panic attacks. and if you manage to deal with that everything gets a lot better imo..