Sub Questions

[DaOxyMan]

Hey i havent posted in a while but i got a few questions...i plan on using suboxone (8mg) to detox myself from heroin...my last time using was well right now as i post this...when should i wait until i take my first dose of suboxone? till i am in acute w/d stage? another question i have is, i am only 19 years old, and i am prescribed tramadol and propoxyphene on a daily, and a lot of times such as in the morning my parents like to make sure i take my meds simply because they found out i have sold them in the past in order to purcahse better ones :) . Will taking tramadol have a bad reaction with the suboxone? Last question..I have never taken suboxone, will it provide me with any enjoyable opiate-like experience? thanks for the answers!

[shaunclo]

Hey OxyMan, o.k., heres the scoop with suboxone. If you plan on taking it to get off H, then you CANNOT take any other opiates while on it. This includes tramadal, darvovet or any other kind of opie. Yes you will have to wait until you are in full blown w/d's. If you dont, you are taking a chance of making your w/d's 10x's worse.

Suboxone (atleast for me) has no real enjoyable affects. Some people find it a little amusing, but definitely no euphoria. It is kind of like a nice breath of fresh air if you have spent the last couple of years on dope. It works great, but you have to remember that if you dont wait until you are in the beginning stages of the good ol w/d, then your risking a terrible experience. You need to be what I call stage 3 of w/d's. Restless legs, hot/cold flashes, runny nose, goose-pimples and crawling skin feeling, and depression. If you wait long enoug than the sub will make all your w/d's go away after about 45 minutes to an hour after taking it. If you dont though, than within a 1/2 hour you will start to feel a lot worse. I didnt wait long enough the first time, in fact I took the sub while high on H. It was very very scary and shitty. When you start to feel bad, just remind yourself that within a couple of hours you will be able to take your sub and start to feel better.

I think this will be a really great experience for you, please dont be worried, just wait until you are feeling pretty bad. You can always snort or brown the sub too if you want, but I would just recommend taking it sublingualy at first. If you need to talk to me or have any other questions reagrding sub, feel free to PM me. I have been on and off this shit for almost 2 years now. I understand exactly when and how to use (and abuse :rolleyes: ) this shit.

[DaOxyMan]

shaunclo- thanks for the reply..as far as snortin the sub...what about the nalaxone? i've heard mixed results with this...thanks for your answers!

[shaunclo]

shaunclo- thanks for the reply..as far as snortin the sub...what about the nalaxone? i've heard mixed results with this...thanks for your answers!

Snorting it works fine, but the most efficient way of using those subs are the sublingual route. I would start off with that, then after a few days you can experiment with snorting. Bup is so fuckin weird, it affects everyone differently, you just have to experiment yourself and see what works best for you.

[Coddfish]

My experience says that, depending on how much you did on your last shot, you should wait 12-24 hours. Some say wait longer, but this is my experience. I think you just kinda know when it's time to take it, like when you think to yourself "I just wanna feel different." I have found that, although there isn't any drug induced euphoria, there is a sort of euphoria from feeling 'normalish' and having energy that I never new I had. In that way, sub is fun to be on. Snort? Yes. But usually not as much as your normal sublingual dose (unless you are on a small dose). If it were I, no more than about 4 mg. MAX. As shaunclo said, this stuff is f'n weird. Less can be more, and more can ruin you. As with anything: take in all recommendations, lean to the side of caution and you'll be fine.

[DaOxyMan]

thanks for the replies everyone.. i may try snortin 2mg later..possibly 4mg if the 2 aint workin well after an hour or so...well this is my first day on the sub and its workin pretty good.. i took an 8mg pill sublingual at about 10 this mornin..its 12:30 now and i'm feelin pretty good...i don't feel sick really, but i must say i am definately still thinkin about H..usually at this time of day im gettin excited cuz the dope man comes around at 1....but oh well those times are now over i suppose..as of now i have no subs left, must go get another Seven from my buddy at 4 today...he is a fellow junkie who i have posted about before, his name is Steve he used to get me oxy and H, he got busted, jail, then rehab..now he's on Suboxone and decided he'd help me out, which i appreciate more than anything in the whole world for a number of reasons: 1. I doubt i could quit on my own, i've been trying for years. 2. I don't even know him that well except for being a previous drug dealer, and he is giving me half hsi sub dose to help me out....so i ask you guys this what should i do to repay this guy who i don't really know that well? the only thing we had in common waswell Heroin?

[DaOxyMan]

yea so its the next day..basically i got fucked...didn't end up gettin the suboxones at all..all i got was that one taste of freedom from the H...oh well...two strange things= i felt sick about 7-8 hours after taking the sub...real sick....also, today its about 30 hours later..i feel fine...im hardly sick at all just minor symptons..whats the deal? ive only been off H for 2 days?

[hovadagod]

The half-life of sub is 37 hours. You won't have as rough of a time as normal b/c if you only take the sub once, and you're coming off a drug that only makes you sick for 5 or 6 days, then the sub will sort of get you through almost 2 days of the WD's with less sickness. That's the worst of it anyways. I'd try to get one more sub and take 6mg tomorrow, 4 then 2 and that's it. I'd try and order or get some naloxone or something if you are serious b/c being on sub for a couple days won't get you past the withdrawal; thought mainetenance would but then you'd have a shitty time coming off the sub. I take a lot even though I only needed 4mg a day for the withdrawal, I needed 20mg to stop my cravings and just not get high from the crap. You'll see how it goes but if you need it, you can get more.

[DaOxyMan]

thanks..someone PM me with a site they have USED THEMSELVES..not someone they know...thanks!!!!

[shaunclo]

thanks..someone PM me with a site they have USED THEMSELVES..not someone they know...thanks!!!!

OxyMan, I have never seen a site that offers any kind of buprenorphine products. Like I said before, even if there was one, I gurantee the price they are asking wouldnt even be worth the product.

[exitwound]

OxyMan, I have never seen a site that offers any kind of buprenorphine products. Like I said before, even if there was one, I gurantee the price they are asking wouldnt even be worth the product.

You're correct that the reliability of such sites is often questionable and their prices often excessive, but they do exist....and I bet there's at least one which is reliable and has semi-reasonable prices for an OP (probably an IOP).

[shaunclo]

You're correct that the reliability of such sites is often questionable and their prices often excessive, but they do exist....and I bet there's at least one which is reliable and has semi-reasonable prices for an OP (probably an IOP).

I would serioulsy like to see proof of this, also cause I am on bup and would like to get it for cheaper if possible. I have many IOP sites I go to and never once have I seen suboxone, subutex, temgesic or any other bup product. There was one site that CLAIMED they were selling 2 mg temgesic tabs, but a member here had them tested and it turned out to be nuerontin or something. I think this site was Indiameds or something.

Actually, I think there was one order form I remember seeing amps of bup for about 16 $'s a 2mg amps. It was a 500 minimum order though. So yes it is possible, and if so, please PM me and prove me wrong.;)

[hovadagod]

ROP's that don't know any bette will rx it. Hard to find but look around...or see a doctor.

[shaunclo]

Going to see a legit doctor is your best bet for the fact that even if you do end up finding it on a site, who knows how long that site will be selling it. Sooner or later that site will be shut down and then youll be shit outta luck. Having a legit doc will keep a steady supply of it coming in and you wont have to worry about having your next script not come, or getting snatched by customs, or the site taking months to deliver, its just shit like this that makes it so much more of a hassle having to deal with an IOP than a doctor.

Having it prescribed to you by a doc also makes it safer for you to be carrying it. If you get pulled over and you have it illegaly on you, than your fucked. Bup is a controlled substance, and I highly doubt if a little piggyhttp://forum.opiophile.org/images/icons/badge.gif finds it in your possesion that he will let it slide.

[psychotiKK]

Having it prescribed to you by a doc also makes it safer for you to be carrying it. If you get pulled over and you have it illegaly on you, than your fucked. Bup is a controlled substance, and I highly doubt if a little piggyhttp://forum.opiophile.org/images/icons/badge.gif finds it in your possesion that he will let it slide.

They probably won't even know what it is. I've had klonopins on me and a cop asked me what these were and I said, "it's clonazepam, it is prescribed for me for GAD." They just gave me a look like they had no idea wtf I was talking about. "Klonopin? Anti-Anxiety Agent? Sedative hypnotic?" They still gave me the same look. At the time I was a minor and they called my parents asking if the pill I had was legal or not. Fucking idiot pigs..

[hovadagod]

You do need that security of having the real doctor when on that stuff. You don't want to be cut off at a high dose.

[shaunclo]

You do need that security of having the real doctor when on that stuff. You don't want to be cut off at a high dose.

Exactly!!!

[exitwound]

Exactly!!!

A legitimate point. But as I've said in other threads when talking about my approach to dealing with chronic pain (something that has some considerable similarities to dealing with a deep-seated addiction, since you don't really have much choice when it comes to either one)....a hybrid approach, working with doctors but not relying solely on them, can be the right way to go for some. It requires care and substantial willpower -- things that can be serious problems for the more severe addict -- but it can be done.

[Coddfish]

Yeah, use a doctor as a tool, so to speak. My experience says that most doctors suck. Like 80% of the ones I've had were either incompotent or did things that were unethical. Being tied to an asshole with no way to get out from under him may be tough. I agree with exitwound, you get yourself some choices and then you don't hafta let people--doctors or dealers--fuck with you, fuck with your life.

[hovadagod]

You just don't have much of a choice when it comes to sub.

[psychotiKK]

It's a perfect aid tool to quit opiates.. even if you dont feel a high from it, it can make you feel happier then normal. Atleast that's how it is for me.. it gives me a mood lift and makes me more social. The first time I went on suboxone I didn't touch any opiates for 5 days and was going crazy. I was given 4mg on my first visit and it made me feel sooo much better. Gave me an average opiate high. Nothing too intense, but nice. When I smoke weed with it, it gives me a similar high to morphine and weed. I'm on 12mg now and have been trying different ways of taking it. I've tried 4mg 3x a day, 8mg in the morning and 4mg later on, and even all 12mg in the morning. So far I like having two doses throughout the day, but the 4mg later on isn't enough. I still have cravings so I may up my dose to 16mg which is two 8mg orange sublingual tabs a day. Who woulda thought I would be getting that high of a dose just from a past year of pods and methadone. Sure, I've used much more in the past but they were in smaller amounts.