Subutex withdrawal?

[whiterobot122]

I know this may sound a bit corny, but swim has been using subutex for his social anxiety, so far so good. Swim averages about 1mg a day, for the past month, sometimes doing 6mg+, but very rarely. Swim is not mentally addicted, nor does he have cravings. But around 2 days after stopping subutex, swim starts to get cold sweats, anxiety, on and off sleep, which is holding him from attending school. What can swim do to lighten what seem to be subutex withdrawals? How long will these last? On a scale of 1 - 10, swim says these are around 6, but having excessive sweating as a normal thing, swim says it's around 10. Any help or suggestions is very appreciated.

[jopiated]

Sounds like mild withdrawal symptoms to me. If you don't have anymore subs, you could get some kaopectate, or since I'm assuming you're near detroit, you could go to Eastern market and there is a health food store that sells poppy seeds in bulk, $4.00 FOR A 1/2 POUND. Use about 2 or 3 oz. to make a decent cup of tea. That'll take the edge off. Are you near Detroit?

[whiterobot122]

No, I'm not near detroit, I haven't been on here in forever and have yet to change my location, I'm living in Oklahoma city now. Swim will take a look for poppy seeds since there is a lot of health food stores around here, thanks for the info though. The part that is very hard, is the excessive sweating on top of this, it's hard to even type with out my fingers sliding across the keyboard.

[jopiated]

Oh yeah, Is the bupe really working for anxiety? I am on done but the depression is killing me and I wanna switch but I am scared that I wont like it or it won't work for me, I wanna be able to try it but would have to leave my clinic to do so, I am scared they won't take me back if I needed to come back. I wanna be able to try bupe temporarily without actually leaving my clinic, see what I am saying?

[whiterobot122]

I understand what you're saying. A relative of mine was on 'done, 60mg daily it worked but he turned into a horrible monster. Switching to subutex caused precipitated withdrawal, I wish I had more info on it though. Yes the bupe is working wonderfully for anxiety.

[Thebane]

Do have any past with opiates other than bupe? I'm just wondering if you know what you're getting yourself into... 1 mg of bupe isn't going to be a walk in the park to quit from what I know if it (I've never used it personally). Personally, I didn't know what anxiety or depression were until after I did opiates to try to self-medicate them. Compared to w/ds crippling anxiety and depression are a walk in the park... Sorry if you have used opiates a lot and you've experienced what I'm talking about, I don't mean to sound preachy, but I'd at least try getting by on less subs than that. Subs at lower doses than 1mg for pain relief for people with no tolerance, and I imagine anxiety relief would also be present in lower doses.

PS: You say you're not mentally addicted, I don't doubt that. But physically addicted, you most likely are after a month. And it's the physical part you have to worry about. I'm just trying to help, not be a dick. I have horrible social anxiety and I got into opiates because they were the only thing I thought would help. But it just wasn't worth the price for me... Also, if you get bad tremors from anxiety (that's my primary symptom) look into propranolol or other beta-blockers, they work wonders. And aren't scheduled so any shrink should hand them out if you do your research and ask.

[Papa Verine]

Oh yeah, Is the bupe really working for anxiety? I am on done but the depression is killing me and I wanna switch but I am scared that I wont like it or it won't work for me, I wanna be able to try it but would have to leave my clinic to do so, I am scared they won't take me back if I needed to come back. I wanna be able to try bupe temporarily without actually leaving my clinic, see what I am saying?

Don't you think you could pull off going to a new doc for the subs and continuing to go to the methadone clinic? I don't see where there would be a link between the 2. You fill your sub by prescription at the pharmacy and get your methadone from the clinic.

This is just the fucked up way I think. I was once seeing a couple different phsychiatrists and using different pharmacies, and I got away with it. I just wonder why you decided you can't pull this off?

[Thebane]

Don't you think you could pull off going to a new doc for the subs and continuing to go to the methadone clinic? I don't see where there would be a link between the 2. You fill your sub by prescription at the pharmacy and get your methadone from the clinic.

This is just the fucked up way I think. I was once seeing a couple different phsychiatrists and using different pharmacies, and I got away with it. I just wonder why you decided you can't pull this off?

I thought of that to, only problem I can see is if they watch him drink the done 5+ days a week. I imagine 48 hours isn't long enough to avoid precipitated w/ds? And if he didn't show up they'd probably assume he was on street drugs since obviously he needs something to avoid w/ds.

The switch would be the only hard part though I think. Once you're on subs you could take enough to block the done (or just get a buzz if that's possible, not sure of the safety though).

[whiterobot122]

Do have any past with opiates other than bupe? I'm just wondering if you know what you're getting yourself into... 1 mg of bupe isn't going to be a walk in the park to quit from what I know if it (I've never used it personally). Personally, I didn't know what anxiety or depression were until after I did opiates to try to self-medicate them. Compared to w/ds crippling anxiety and depression are a walk in the park... Sorry if you have used opiates a lot and you've experienced what I'm talking about, I don't mean to sound preachy, but I'd at least try getting by on less subs than that. Subs at lower doses than 1mg for pain relief for people with no tolerance, and I imagine anxiety relief would also be present in lower doses.

PS: You say you're not mentally addicted, I don't doubt that. But physically addicted, you most likely are after a month. And it's the physical part you have to worry about. I'm just trying to help, not be a dick. I have horrible social anxiety and I got into opiates because they were the only thing I thought would help. But it just wasn't worth the price for me... Also, if you get bad tremors from anxiety (that's my primary symptom) look into propranolol or other beta-blockers, they work wonders. And aren't scheduled so any shrink should hand them out if you do your research and ask.

In no way did I take that as being rude. I've used opiates for over the past year, off and on, mainly oxycodone, hydro's, occasionally methadone. I had a bad problem with benzos which lead to ruining my life and for the past months all I've been doing is moving around, so I've settled on bupe for anxiety relief til I can get to the doctor. My main problem is hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating) I've had it for 8 years, only getting gradually worse, to where I'm scared to even step my foot out in public, plus the depression it leaves is horrible. so for now I'm using opiates to calm my nervous system and it stops the sweating, if I do less than 1mg of bupe, it will only work for about 3 hours and I don't want to raise a tolerance to it.

[Thebane]

In no way did I take that as being rude. I've used opiates for over the past year, off and on, mainly oxycodone, hydro's, occasionally methadone. I had a bad problem with benzos which lead to ruining my life and for the past months all I've been doing is moving around, so I've settled on bupe for anxiety relief til I can get to the doctor. My main problem is hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating) I've had it for 8 years, only getting gradually worse, to where I'm scared to even step my foot out in public, plus the depression it leaves is horrible. so for now I'm using opiates to calm my nervous system and it stops the sweating, if I do less than 1mg of bupe, it will only work for about 3 hours and I don't want to raise a tolerance to it.

Well I'm glad to hear you're not opiate-naive, I can't imagine a responsible doc giving subs to someone for anxiety if they had never used opiates before... And I'm glad I didn't come across as rude. I just did the exact same thing so it struck a chord, used opiates to treat social anxiety/depression, despite plenty of helpful people here warning me not to, and I regret it every fucking minute of my life now.

Good luck with the subs/social anxiety, I know how miserable it is. Pretty much ruined my life until I used opiates to treat it and now the opiates are ruining my life. But, I really hope it works out for you. And that's a good idea not to raise your tolerance to subs, it's some potent stuff and I understand its absolutely miserable to withdrawal from high doses of.

[whiterobot122]

thanks alot for you help, it left some insight. I'm probably just going to order some kratom today, use that for the next week and be done with opiates in general. Oh and just to let you know, this wasn't from a doc I'll just say "a good friend". Thanks anyways and best of luck!

[ZodiacKiller]

I think the bottom line here---which a lot of people don't really understand--is that Buprenorphine (Sub) is a powerful opiate in and of itself.. Yes, it's a partial-agonist, and doesn't get most people 'high', but nonetheless, if you are talking 1mg a day you WILL become addicted. And you will have withdrawal symptoms once you stop.

Most people who get into Sub programs (like me) do so in order to stop having to score drugs illegally, and reduce the subsequent financial burden. But we're still trading one addiction for another---granted, one that is legal and doctor supervised. Take a look at the Bupe forum---you'll see that most addicts who started out on large doses (16-24mgs daily) and have gradually reduced to where I am (.5-1mg daily) will tell you that this is the hardest part---getting off that last, tiny bit. It's a bitch.........

I'd be careful if I were you....just my .02$.




ZK

[whiterobot122]

Oh for sure, I'm not trying to get in over my head or do this for pure enjoyment, cause in all honesty it's no where close to enjoyment, it makes me feel normal. But I'm no longer using it, I know bupe is very potent, 40x stronger than morphine, so it's not something to mess with for a long period of time. I'm no longer going to use it, I haven't used it for the past 2 days and today the cold sweats started. Not too bad, but to where I didn't want to get out of bed, but at the same time, my body was too sweaty to want to stay in it.

[Thanat0s]

HOWDY WHITEROBOT! im a fellow OKC opio myself. well, midwest city actually but i do life in okc... you must know marc, eh? heh, whereabouts you from? its a small scene here, we just may know each other?

[jopiated]

I actually get takehomes for a week but don't wanna go to the clinic and another doc at the same time. The cost alone is reason enough, not to mention that like 48 states have some kind of prescription monitoring program just for people who do try to do that. I'm sure I could get away with it for long enough to tell if subs worked for me but it sure will be expensive, fuck! Well thanks guys.

[whiterobot122]

@ Thanat0s I'm very new to OKC, I'm living in the edmond area, so I know no one really.

@ Jopiated; subutex and methadone just don't mix you'll be thrown into precipitated withdrawal if you take bupe with methadone. What dose of methadone are you on? I think it's either 40mg and below for a safe transfer for bupe.

[phaedros]

I'm assuming you're near detroit, you could go to Eastern market and there is a health food store that sells poppy seeds in bulk, $4.00 FOR A 1/2 POUND. Use about 2 or 3 oz. to make a decent cup of tea. That'll take the edge off. Are you near Detroit?


Im near Detroit.Thanks for the info about the cheap seed hook up.Does the seed tea work as well as pod tea.I have never drank seed tea.But I have drank pod tea which I enjoyed.From what you said the seed would be a hell of alot cheaper than buying pods or shooting H...which is what im doing now and looking to find a substitue or atleast something cheap that I can use to keep the fucking withdrawls away.