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02-17-2006, 05:28 PM
Don't know much about this black tar herion. I read somewhere that it is just refined opium (washed with water get rid of impurites) that has been reacted with AA, to form the main compent diacetylmorphine . Is this how the black tar is made? If so would this not be dangerous as since opium was used and not just morphine, you would have the other alkoloids left such as codeine, thebaine and so on, and since this is injected, would this not be dangerous like injecting the codeine IV and the other alkoloids? Was thinking that maybe the codeine would also become reacted to form acetylcodeine, but don't know if this is as dangerous as normal codeine to be injected into a vein. Anyone know the score with this acetyled opium? thanks
02-17-2006, 05:38 PM
Injecting anything is dangerous... now that we've said that.... As for experience with tar... great to bang... excellent to smoke... there is a lil more work to tar than just opium washed and heated with AA... not exactly sure the 'preferred procedure,' but I'll find some abstracts to post here with what procedures I find. Anyway, the codeine is in such low quantities, I don't believe that it would be that big a concern ...and I am sure that the AA changes the chem structure of the codeine molecule...to exactly what????
Anyway, there are some good 'kitchen purification of street heroin' threads here. They may help ya out too.
02-17-2006, 10:15 PM
you know im fukin sick of hearin how you cant shoot codeine damn i shot USP right out of the jar 26 yrs ago and many aspirin cmpwith codl oh yea i went till the jar was gone and yeh thats why tar is good it has a few extras in it somthing differnent isnt bad
02-18-2006, 06:51 AM
when it gets boiled in the cleaning prossess the codeine and im preaty shure thebaine degrade as they dont like the heat
morphine dont die til 170 somthing degrees C
02-18-2006, 07:13 AM
Was also thinking that the heat would kill of the codeine. So is black tar smack really acetyliated refinded opium? I understand that it is not maybe as simple as taking washed opium and reacting under heat with AA. Just seems to me that black tar could be a little more toxic than maybe our powdered brown herion here in the UK, because of the extra alkoloids in the opium. As said, shooting anything is not safe, and our herion in the UK (i've not tried it BTW) is cut very heavily with other mixes of substances. Just thought that it theroy, if one had pure diacetylmorphine and black tar herion, the pure dia would be safer because its only got pure dia m and no other alkoloids, provided you don't overdose on either. cheers
02-18-2006, 07:43 PM
codeine is only found in very very small quantities in opium, not enough to matter when shooting black tar which probably has tiny amounts of acetylcodeine. however, if you try and IV a shot of codeine you may just end up dead or with clown hands. pulmonary edema isn't fun but some people just have to try everything once. codeine can be IM'd or SC'd but anyone who thinks IV'ing codeine is a good idea isn't very bright.
02-19-2006, 11:37 AM
I've heard that some alkoloids like papaverine (sp?) and even thebaine, described as being poison or toxic, altough i think that the thebaine would'nt be a big prob, i think its used medically for something or other. I don't think there would be considerably enough of these alkoloids in black tar to be very toxic, but can't help wondering if any problems will arise from toxicity from years of use. just a thought.
BTW i think its not recommend to shoot codeine im or sc as it would'nt be much better than eating it, afaik codeine has good bioavailability in the stomach, but your rite about IV, should never be attempted, it can cause huge swelling of throat/tounge and face also
02-19-2006, 07:14 PM
morphine is the dominant alkaloid in opium. codeine and thebaine are in opium but only very small amounts, and the rest of the alkaloids in even smaller amounts.
codeine is not usually given in IM or SC but it is available and possible to do, though I don't know why you'd want to.
02-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Mex. tar heroin is the bottom rung on the heroin ladder. It's dirty as hell and you can find all kinds of contamanants in it(have been found). I.V.ing it is risky, as said i.v.'ing anything is risky for that matter but for those of us who slam this shit, myself included, take risks unlike #1,2, or 3 H slammers. They have actually found feces in it! But having a solid connection for it and being able to get "clean" tar instead of the standard stepped on powdered tar lessens the risks of it. The standard here is a 1/4 G. for 20 bucks but if you get good shit thats clean the Q is smaller by about a 16th. Smoking it is good for some that have a low tolorance but if you dont want to smoke or i.v. it hot-railing is the other option. If you just miss your vein it makes you break out in big red-ass hives that usually cover a large area. I'm not quite sure what you wanted to know about it but I hope I helped you to better understand the underdog.
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