Synthetic Heroin: This is a misnomer, right?

[Black_Pony]

So I was waiting around the Alcohol and Drug Services center the other day (one of the joys of our fine system), and got to reading this pamphlet on 'clandestine drug labs.' Sounds like a good read, right?

I'm thinking meth lab right away. But the pamphlet goes on to explain that clandestine drug labs produce drugs like "methamphetamine and synthetic heroin.'

WTF is synthetic heroin? This is usually a term that the opiate naive throw around when discussing opiates in general. The word 'opiate' isn't scary enough so they have to relate it back to heroin, the scourge of modern society.

But cooking up opiates in dangerous clandestine labs is not a part of the junky life I've been introduced to yet. Does anyone know WTF drug they are talking about? My horoscope told me to 'expect a career change' this week, so needless to say I'd like to find out.

[Ludakris]

Actually, I have heard of these "meth type labs" producing Fentanyl...though, I don't have any supporting acticles to prove this, but word of mouth and what not...I have a friend back home who's dad recently retired as a corporal from NYPD and he made mention of labs producing Fent...what's involved in doing this is beyond me though.

[SpecialGuy69]

"synthetic heroin" is probably a reference to fent and its analogues.

Fent labs are much more uncommon than meth labs because they require more chemistry skill and knowledge, better lab technique, harder to get precursors/reagents, and the end product requires skill to cut, otherwise it'll kill people left and right.

Nobody really produces diamorphine hcl synthetically. It is possible, but its a million times easier to isolate m from opium and acetylate it. Why bother with a 15 step synth when you can do a 4stepper starting from raw opium?

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synthetic heroin is also a term alarmist dumbshits use to describe oxycontin.

[Black_Pony]

Damn, so youre saying I can just whip up some fent?!?!?!? Cut it schmut it. Thats my fent we're talking about. If fent grubbing freeloaders want some, they can go ahead and OD, leaves more for me!

"synthetic heroin" is probably a reference to fent and its analogues.

Fent labs are much more uncommon than meth labs because they require more chemistry skill and knowledge, better lab technique, harder to get precursors/reagents, and the end product requires skill to cut, otherwise it'll kill people left and right.

Nobody really produces diamorphine hcl synthetically. It is possible, but its a million times easier to isolate m from opium and acetylate it. Why bother with a 15 step synth when you can do a 4stepper starting from raw opium?

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synthetic heroin is also a term alarmist dumbshits use to describe oxycontin.

[SpecialGuy69]

Damn, so youre saying I can just whip up some fent?!?!?!? Cut it schmut it. Thats my fent we're talking about. If fent grubbing freeloaders want some, they can go ahead and OD, leaves more for me!
if you can whip up some 4-Anilino-N-Phenethyl-Piperidine, Propionyl Chloride, Phenethyl-bromide, etc.

[Black_Pony]

Wow. Point taken.

Sounds about as easy as turning lead into gold. These clandestine drug labs must require a chemistry degree and at least 5+ years in the bromide industry. I wouldn't assume these labs are really prevalent enough to warrant an entire pamphlet on the subject. Just more cop-anit-opiate propaganda. Trailer parks aren't getting blown up and shit due to widespread fent operations.

if you can whip up some 4-Anilino-N-Phenethyl-Piperidine, Propionyl Chloride, Phenethyl-bromide, etc.

[rex24u]

Clandestine labs also produce (or try to) meperidine (demerol) as well as Fent and its analouges.

[SpecialGuy69]

meth labs are very easy to set up and run. You can literally make meth in a beer bottle from:
pseudophed
matchbook strikers
iodine tincture
pool cleaner (muratic acid)
drain opener (lye)
and various OTC solvents

[SeVeN]

I've never heard of these labs but i hope the mention of it in a drug and alchohol center means they are getting bigger! I would hate to think of how the bad cook would be but damn, I'd start shopping in the trailer parks if they cooked fent, even if it was some what bunk. Shit thats just the truth, it's not like i can go buy the pharm quality shit for cheap or without a script (even with a script it's not cheap).

[RobOC]

Does anybody remember those little fake OCs that had 1mg of fent in em? If I'm not mistaken the fent in those was synthesized in a clandestine lab. They were smaller than a real OC and a brighter green but still were imprinted with OC and 80. They would by no means fool anyone who had ever seen a real 80 but I still wouldn't of minded playing with a few.

[SpecialGuy69]

Does anybody remember those little fake OCs that had 1mg of fent in em? If I'm not mistaken the fent in those was synthesized in a clandestine lab. They were smaller than a real OC and a brighter green but still were imprinted with OC and 80. They would by no means fool anyone who had ever seen a real 80 but I still wouldn't of minded playing with a few.Yeah.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0406/photo13.jpghttp://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0406/photo14.jpg
these.

Check this out:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0406/photo11.jpghttp://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0406/photo12.jpg
pics are of evidence seized from the lab producing the counterfeit OC 80's. first one is of a tableting press, the same kind that's used to press ecstasy tablets. In the second pic, the apparatus labeled C is a 3 necked flask fitted with an addition funnel and gas tubes.

- INTELLIGENCE ALERT -
LARGE FENTANYL / MDA / TMA LABORATORY IN AZUZA, CALIFORNIA
- POSSIBLY THE “OC-80” TABLET SOURCE -
The DEA Southwest Laboratory (Vista, California) recently received multiple exhibits from a very large-scale clandestine laboratory, including various tablets (including apparent OC-80 logo Oxycontin® tablets), a variety of chemicals, and drug manufacturing recipes. The laboratory (which included a tablet press) was located in Azuza (a suburb of Los Angeles), and was seized by personnel from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department and Crime Laboratory (see Photos 11 and 12). The initial appraisal of this site suggested that MDMA was being manufactured; however, subsequent laboratory analyses and a review of the recipes (acquired from the Internet) confirmed that it was actually producing fentanyl and 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA).


The fentanyl appeared to be synthesized using the Siegfried route, and was found in both tablet and powder forms. One tablet exhibit contained 201 round, green tablets bearing the “OC-80” logo (total net mass 27.5 grams). These appeared to be distinctly undersized mimics of legitimate Oxycontin® tablets (which contain 80 milligrams of oxycodone; see Photos 13 and 14); however, analysis by GC, GC/MS, and IR indicated that these tablets actually contained 1.5 mg of fentanyl hydrochloride. Tablets like these have been seized throughout the country, and it appears that this lab was a source or possibly the source (could not be confirmed, because the tablet press, punches, and dies were not submitted). There were many thousands of these tablets at the laboratory.


The Southwest Laboratory has previously received “OC-80” Oxycontin® mimic tablets; however, these were the first ever submissions of Ecstasy-type tablets containing mixtures of fentanyl, MDA, and caffeine, and of blue, diamond-shaped tablets containing TMA, to the laboratory. This is also the second fentanyl-producing clandestine laboratory encountered in southern California in the past year and a half.

[JonnyMohawk]

Wow... I wouldnt mind having a few thousand of those.

[upstate_007]

I remember back in the day copping on the Lower East Side of NYC some corner kids talking about synthetic dope. The ol' salesman pitch about it being real strong and shit. Of course my curiosity got the better of me (which usually led to bad decisions) and I bought a bundle. "Just give me the shit, I don't trust a single one of you fucks anyway". That shit was STRONG. I later found out it was just regular dope cut with some fent. Fuck if I cared though. I was body rockin for a few months till that spot got closed down.

So in my long winded way, I have always heard of synthetic dope being out there and it is always referring to fent as cut in the dope or fent cut real heavily with something to make you not turn into a smurf.

[Nate]

1.5 mg of fent each pill! Give me the fakes please! Oh well so a few hallucinations for 1.5mg of fent, yes please.

[jopiated]

We had like 50 people die from fent about 2 years ago, that shit is real fuckin strong shit. I guess some people got ahold of it that didn't know what they were fuckin with. I did quite a bit of it but was always extremely careful. I mean like a couple of granules to much, and it's over. I knew this one guy whos sister, brother in law, and they're friend died from it at the same time, one right after the other. I was just like damn, you'd think that when the first one died the second one wouldn't have done it, but no, they was all like "damn", let me try this shit!!

[20Dollarholla]

They shut down one in Pittsburgh a few years back, the dude skipped bail, moved to Mexico and set-up shop again, just to get raided down there as well.

The shit was riduculously strong, my friend died from only four bags and he didnt even run them all at once. When that shit hit the market there were like 35 OD's in one night in Pittsburgh.

This was at the same time the shit went down in Detroit. If you do a search on it you can find the opld newspaper articles warning junkies of the brands that were fent. By telling us which one were fent they just created a huge demand for the fent cut.

[jdub]

We had like 50 people die from fent about 2 years ago, that shit is real fuckin strong shit. I guess some people got ahold of it that didn't know what they were fuckin with. I did quite a bit of it but was always extremely careful. I mean like a couple of granules to much, and it's over. I knew this one guy whos sister, brother in law, and they're friend died from it at the same time, one right after the other. I was just like damn, you'd think that when the first one died the second one wouldn't have done it, but no, they was all like "damn", let me try this shit!!

^^Addicts do crazy shit.

Why would these fuckers add the fent w/ MDA and press it into such fake-ass looking OC's? Why not cut it to "safe-levels" and call it China and charge a grip?

Theorys?

[SpecialGuy69]

MDA was in different pills.

And if they were getting "average street price" for the fake OC's, they were selling that fent for $40 per MILLIgram!!!

If they hit it with lactose and sold it bagged up as dope, they'd only get 10 bucks per bag- and it would still have the same .5-1mg. Smart.

[jdub]

The Southwest Laboratory has previously received “OC-80” Oxycontin® mimic tablets; however, these were the first ever submissions of Ecstasy-type tablets containing mixtures of fentanyl, MDA, and caffeine, and of blue, diamond-shaped tablets containing TMA, to the laboratory. This is also the second fentanyl-producing clandestine laboratory encountered in southern California in the past year and a half.

The way I read the sentence I highlighted is that they found pills that had the MDA/ Fentanyl/ caffeine mixture. Maybe these were just a limited, fuck-around, experimental batch and the majority were just the fent pills???:confused:

[jdub]

MDA was in different pills.

And if they were getting "average street price" for the fake OC's, they were selling that fent for $40 per MILLIgram!!!

If they hit it with lactose and sold it bagged up as dope, they'd only get 10 bucks per bag- and it would still have the same .5-1mg. Smart.

Here in CA (where they were) I bet .1 of white powder "dope" would go for WAY more than $10; just for the rarity, as EVERYTHING else is tar. I bet I could get rid of "stamps" of this shit for $30-40 all day, and you wouldn't have problems w/ people who know what OC's are supposed to look like.

Nonetheless, you do have a valid point on the profit margins.

Edit- I believe the article you posted said the pills contained 1.5 mgs making the avg profit about $27/mg at street level.

[SpecialGuy69]

The way I read the sentence I highlighted is that they found pills that had the MDA/ Fentanyl/ caffeine mixture. Maybe these were just a limited, fuck-around, experimental batch and the majority were just the fent pills???:confused:oh yeah that was my fault- I cut the article, and snipped out a few irrelevant bits (MDA pills they were making, lab results, etc) so when it comes back together it doesn't read right.

But yeah they had these diamond-shaped MDA pills they were also pressing on site.

The whole article is available here: DEA Microgram, April 2006 issue (http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0406/mg0406.html).

[jdub]

^^^ I am sticking to my guns on this one. From my reading of the article, they were putting fent in their thizz pills. But not MDA or TMA in the fake OC's.

From the microgram:

Other Ecstasy-type tablets and associated powders were found to contain a combination of MDA, fentanyl, and caffeine. The tablets came in four different logos: A) A Lacoste® Alligator (268 tablets, total net mass 66.0 grams (see Photo 15)); B) An unusual character that appeared to be an elongated letter “C” and its mirror-image interlocked back-to-back, somewhat similar to the Chanel® logo (101 tablets, total net mass 22.4 grams (see Photo 16)); C) An “XL” (1 tablet, 240 milligrams (No Photo)); and D) A “K” (996 square white tablets, total net mass 223.3 grams (No Photo)). Analysis of the tablets (same techniques) indicated an average of 14.2 milligrams of MDA and 1.0 milligrams of fentanyl (average tablet weight 224 milligrams). The synthetic route to MDA was not determined; however, large amounts of safrole were among the chemicals seized at the laboratory (but 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone (MDP2P) was not identified in any of the submitted samples).

and

The Southwest Laboratory has previously received “OC-80” Oxycontin® mimic tablets; however, these were the first ever submissions of Ecstasy-type tablets containing mixtures of fentanyl, MDA, and caffeine

Doesn't that sound like their e pills had an avg 1 mg of fent in em?

[OxyContinuously]

if you can whip up some 4-Anilino-N-Phenethyl-Piperidine, Propionyl Chloride, Phenethyl-bromide, etc.


good point, AgentO

and don't forget about the solvent, tetrahydrofuran, without which, your reaction cannot be finished.

if anyone finds this on the net, congratulations, you are now on a watchlist.

and, don't try to make this at home. you will die, guaranteed.

but to BlackPony; yup I'm sure they're referring to either fentanyl or alpha-fentanyl, or any number of its myriad analogs


later
Oxy

[SpecialGuy69]

^^^ I am sticking to my guns on this one. From my reading of the article, they were putting fent in their thizz pills. But not MDA or TMA in the fake OC's.

From the microgram:

Other Ecstasy-type tablets and associated powders were found to contain a combination of MDA, fentanyl, and caffeine. The tablets came in four different logos: A) A Lacoste® Alligator (268 tablets, total net mass 66.0 grams (see Photo 15)); B) An unusual character that appeared to be an elongated letter “C” and its mirror-image interlocked back-to-back, somewhat similar to the Chanel® logo (101 tablets, total net mass 22.4 grams (see Photo 16)); C) An “XL” (1 tablet, 240 milligrams (No Photo)); and D) A “K” (996 square white tablets, total net mass 223.3 grams (No Photo)). Analysis of the tablets (same techniques) indicated an average of 14.2 milligrams of MDA and 1.0 milligrams of fentanyl (average tablet weight 224 milligrams). The synthetic route to MDA was not determined; however, large amounts of safrole were among the chemicals seized at the laboratory (but 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone (MDP2P) was not identified in any of the submitted samples).

and

The Southwest Laboratory has previously received “OC-80” Oxycontin® mimic tablets; however, these were the first ever submissions of Ecstasy-type tablets containing mixtures of fentanyl, MDA, and caffeine

Doesn't that sound like their e pills had an avg 1 mg of fent in em?no your right I thought you were saying there was MDA in the fake 80's. They were making "ecstasy" pills with big fat doses of fent in them.

BTW those fake 80's are the ONLY pill I'd really like to smoke!

[jdub]

no your right I thought you were saying there was MDA in the fake 80's. They were making "ecstasy" pills with big fat doses of fent in them.

BTW those fake 80's are the ONLY pill I'd really like to smoke!

I would smoke those for sure. Imagine if some idiot broke that down to shoot it though? Buenas noches