Kratom Worries, Insight Desired

[jacobs ladder]

Hello everyone ! I recently purchased 50 grams of 15x mitragyna speciosa( 15x standardized extract ) from thekratomking a web site i was referred to while browsing this board. The cost was a little high but im not really too concerned with it, however i am concerned about the nauseia. A while back i tried to make poppy seed tea using store bought seed, and the experience resulted in vomiting. I was very sick and didnt feel right for hours. The tea i made had approxiamtely 300g of seed and was cold water created. I didnt feel a single euphoric like feeling at all from the seed tea. All it did was make me bloated, restless, and then later sick. So back to the kratom, i too am starring at this package scared to try because of the potential for nausea. So id like some opinions if possible, specifically on how likely the nausea will be my first time taking it, how much to take( considering i dont own a scale, all i have is measuring spoons, ie tsp, tbsp, etc), and how strong this 15x extract is. As well, i dont work well with stimulants , for example , one cup of coffee is my limit, and ive read that most people do not recieve any euphoria from this product , rather , it acts as a stimulant. How powerful of a stimulant are we talking about, maybe relative to a cup of coffee or an energy drink with taurine and caffiene, or is more like 1000mg of blended ephedra, or worse, adderall or some nasty shit. My tolerance for opiates can be high, however, im not currently taking anything or withdrawing from any meds. The strongest opiate i personally have experienced is oxycodone ir 45 mg, ingested. That is enough to floor me. Thanks!

[shaunclo]

Jacob, Kratom (in my opinion) isnt all that strong. When you recieve your shipment it should have some basic measuring info with it. Just go along with whatever it says and you should be fine. I did a lot the first time, the 15x extract also, and didnt feel sick at all. Please post and let us know how it goes.

[jacobs ladder]

thanks for the response shaunclo. The package contianed only the packaged extract with label and a invoice. There are no measuring directions at all. It says directly on the product package , " this product is not intended fo human consumption ". Im assuming this is some legal thing , either that or i ordered the wrong stuff. Let me know what you think.

[jacky]

Ive seen first time users get sick off of as little as 5 grams of the commercial.

10 grams recently put a freind of mine to sleep for most of the day and unable to do much except feel nauseous, she was a frist time user as well.

even when I was consuming 30-40 grams of kratom a day I couldnt take more than 7-8 grams at a time or I would get some negative effects. for me kratom would only work for about 5 hours, so taking it more times a day 2-3 times was a good thing.....at the end of my kratom only regimine I had to take kratom in the middle of the night just to complete a full nights sleep, it does last as long as morphine, so being addicted to it solely was causing me some grief, I remedied that with a prescription painkiller to fill in the "gaps".

[jacobs ladder]

well thank you everyone for your responses. After reviewin the facts presented i decided to go ahead a give it shot, so yesterday around 6:30, i mixed one tablespoon ,approximately 3 teaspoons, with a full cup of water. I boiled and stirred for about 5 minutes then let rest. I drank the one cup and began to feel some euphoric effects within 15 minutes. I didnt find the taste to be as bad as everyone said, as i didnt mix it with anything else. Within an hour i was definately going strong. My experience with kratom was interesting. It made me slightly nervous as i felt a semi strong stimulating effect. My hands were shaky for about an hour or so, andi had plent of energy. Intermixed with this hyper feeling was an intense body high. I definately felt warm and occasionaly felt a mild to semi strong opiate buzz. However, this buzz didnt persist as with meds, it came and went. I didnt get nauseas at all. I only drank the one cup and for some reason i did notice the almost 8 hours later i was still very very slightly under the influence. Kratom made it difficult for me to sleep for some reason, again im very sensitive to stimulants. So in summary, because i do not have a scale i could not tell you hop man grams i actually ingested. Im assuming a decent tablespoon was probbaly around 4 ? Maybe less maybe a bit more. It was an overall pleasant expereince , however i feel that theres just too many mixed body feelings involved in this buzz. It almost feels like taking one percocet, drinking a cup of coffee, and smoking a bowl all at the same time. Id prefer to expereince the euphoric feeling alone and not intermixed with the stimulant effect. I definately recomment any first time users to follow the words of advice of other users and keep the dosage LOW ! I mainted fine through out the night , but for th first few hours, i definately felt strange and found that it was actually better not to lay down, rather get around and move. I went on a long walk, then a bike ride, went to target , etc. If i stayed still for too long i became nervous.