Smoking h, not black tar

[rogue96]

does anyone have thoughts methods for smoking what is most likely columbian tan from the north east. should i put in a cig, or use the foil method i would love to hear experiences and what has and has not worked

Thanks everybody

[SpecialGuy69]

tastes like the michelin man's asshole.

[jlaw666]

stalk the lizard... I mean, chase the dragon

[djnarkotik]

yaa i think i get the same h as u, i think its the south american shit. definately not afghan brown- someone said it was chinese which i could see but thought it was rare now.

ive only snorted dope, cant wait to try out smoking. wow i really need to do that. will do this week im gonna get hiiiiiiigh have a little bit of cash left.

[djnarkotik]

oh ya u want to vaporize it. apply indirect heat like under tinfoil. basically it cant handle too much heat and direct flame. take it easy it requires care.treat it like your lover it is my lover

[Thanat0s]

do NOT put in a cig, unless you just get a kick out of destroying dope...
foil is really best,
glass vap tubes/bowls work but hold heat too long
foil it up, yo...

[Raz]

On the jimmy boil is the way to go....On the foil bro, on the foil....

[mollywopped]

Smoking that will destroy it unless you mix it with something that brings down the melting point. The most common thing that it is mixed with is caffeine. But if you just smoke it like it is, you will just burn most of it up and waste it.

BTW, be a little patient. No need to make the same thread twice.

[Woody Bear]

The below is entirely theoretical, based on my limited chemistry knowledge, I have not tried this, so if you attempt it, only do it on part of a bag to see if it works.

The problem with trying to smoke hydrochlorides, is that they have a much higher boiling point then their freebases. So if you heat them up enough to vaporise, they may start breaking down. This is why you shouldn't try to smoke injectable heroin, only the Afghan brown freebase variety. I read that adding caffeine to the heroin hydrochloride depresses the melting point, and makes it vaporise. And the few times I smoked pure morphine freebase, I found that it didn't melt, it just darkened instead. So the adding caffeine is a great idea, but it's always better to try to smoke heroin freebase then heroin hydrochloride, because it will take less heat to vaporise and less will get broken down.

The Theory of Changing Heroin hydrochloride into Heroin freebase.
Mix up the heroin powder with a small amount of ammonia, not to dissolve it, just enough to form a slurry. If it was in a spoon, barely cover it, and mix it well with a pin. The ammonia will react with the heroin.HCl forming heroin freebase and ammonium chloride.

Pour the slurry in to a warm Pyrex dish and let it dry. The warm dish with a large surface area will help it dry quicker. As will fanning it with a small battery powered portable fan. As it dries the excess ammonia will evaporate off, leaving the heroin and a small amount of ammonium chloride salt.

Scrape it up, and place the powder into a cone shaped funnel made out of filter paper. Ideally placed in a small glass funnel. Drip water onto the power, and the ammonium chloride will dissolve, and drip through the filter. Open out the filter paper and dry it again. This will leave the heroin base, once the filter paper is completely dry, it should flake off.

[SeVeN]

I'm not sure what columbian tan is but if its powdered and tan, use foil. H has a low burning point and putting it on a cig is a waste. Use foil. If youv'e never used foil you might want to put a creese down the middle so u dont loose dope. Slowly bring the flame closer to the bottom of the foil until the powder turns too smoke. When this happesns suck away with a straw and make sure you tilt the foil slightly so the dope runs slowly down the foil.

[strikks]

man up, and run that shit!!!!! just kiddin',......not really...sorry i know a guy who puts a little of that powder on his glass pipe on top of weed??? i never tried it cuz it would be un natural for me but he says he gets high from it?!?!?!? wow!!!

[mollywopped]

I'm not sure what columbian tan is but if its powdered and tan, use foil. H has a low burning point and putting it on a cig is a waste. Use foil. If youv'e never used foil you might want to put a creese down the middle so u dont loose dope. Slowly bring the flame closer to the bottom of the foil until the powder turns too smoke. When this happesns suck away with a straw and make sure you tilt the foil slightly so the dope runs slowly down the foil.


I would have to disagree. The columbian dope that is in the NE is almost always #4, which can't really be smoked. It needs to have the melting point lowered. The melting point is too high so if you tried to smoke it it would just burn up, like the post before yours says, the melting point is too high so the H will break down before it vaporises so that you could smoke it.

[SeVeN]

I would have to disagree. The columbian dope that is in the NE is almost always #4, which can't really be smoked. It needs to have the melting point lowered. The melting point is too high so if you tried to smoke it it would just burn up, like the post before yours says, the melting point is too high so the H will break down before it vaporises so that you could smoke it.

Well like I said, I guesse i'm not a connousaire, just a junky. I don't know about "Columbian #4". All I know is that when I used to smoke the powder it went up with slight heat to say the least. I live in the SE and guesse I should have kept my mouth shut, but just wanted to offer up my opinion on what I know.

[Woody Bear]

When I first read rachamim18 stating that heroin #3 was heroin hydrochloride with caffeine added to depress the melting point, I thought, "That can't be right, you can't smoke heroin hydrochloride". But I looked it up in my copy of "Opium Poppy Cultivation and Heroin Processing in Southeast Asia", and sure enough that was what it said smokable heroin #3 is.

I've also heard a story of someone who smoked powder cocaine in a joint. Not crack, powder cocaine hydrochloride. He said it works, it's not as efficient as crack but it still gets you high. The story he told was he met a guy who had some powder and said to the guy that he would buy some, but only if it was good. So the guy rolled up a joint, and they shared it. The story teller said that he was high, but he didn't want to pay, so he kept saying, "Naah, I can't can't feel nothing mate". So the guy said, "It is good, it is good, how about I roll up another". So he did, and they smoked it. The story teller insisted that it wasn't good and he didn't feel anything, but in fact he was really high. He walked away without paying for it, feeling really good about himself. And I thought to myself, "What a wanker, he ripped that guy off and he's happy about it, what a dick".

Anyways, no one is saying that smoking hydrochlorides is just a placebo effect. What we're saying is that it's ineffecient, and a waste of money, not that you didn't get high. So it's simple enough to make heroin smokable by converting it into the freebase, or failing that adding caffeine, probably it would be best to do both. But we're not doubting people stories, instead we're just trying to help each other out get the best out of our hobbies.

In chemistry, pure substances have sharp melting points, that is, they melt at say 156.2-156.8°C. If they are impure, it depresses the melting point, so it will start melting at say 152°C. Really impure samples melt much lower, and the more different impurities, the more fucked up the melting point is. So if you have reasonable pure heroin hydrochloride aka heroin #4, it's more likely to overheat and burn up instead of vaporising. But if you cut it with caffeine it depresses the melting point, so it melts and this helps it to vaporise. Now the stuff on the street, is not pure, so SeVeN, even if you did get heroin #4, your stuff was cut with something that made it melt for you and work when you smoked it. This was down to the cut that was used in your batch. It's good that it worked for you, but it will not work for all East Coast Columbian sourced heroin. And if your stuff was converted to the freebase, smoking it would be even easier and take less heat.

[mollywopped]

Well like I said, I guesse i'm not a connousaire, just a junky. I don't know about "Columbian #4". All I know is that when I used to smoke the powder it went up with slight heat to say the least. I live in the SE and guesse I should have kept my mouth shut, but just wanted to offer up my opinion on what I know.


I wasn't trying to come down on you or anything, I was just saying that I disagree. That is what we are here for, to discuss and learn and when people discuss they don't always agree. No need to keep your mouth shut and offering your opinion is what we are here for.

I wouldn't have known any of this either. I am in the SW, so I get tar. I don't even smoke it actually, but I have been on this board and some others like it and have read about other types of dope and what you can and can't do. So no hard feelings, just stating what I have read others who are more knowledgable (Rachamin) have told me.

[AlteK]

In chemistry, pure substances have sharp melting points, that is, they melt at say 156.2-156.8°C. If they are impure, it depresses the melting point, so it will start melting at say 152°C. Really impure samples melt much lower, and the more different impurities, the more fucked up the melting point is. So if you have reasonable pure heroin hydrochloride aka heroin #4, it's more likely to overheat and burn up instead of vaporising. But if you cut it with caffeine it depresses the melting point, so it melts and this helps it to vaporise. Now the stuff on the street, is not pure, so SeVeN, even if you did get heroin #4, your stuff was cut with something that made it melt for you and work when you smoked it. This was down to the cut that was used in your batch. It's good that it worked for you, but it will not work for all East Coast Columbian sourced heroin. And if your stuff was converted to the freebase, smoking it would be even easier and take less heat.

Is there a simple way to convert NE Columbian Brown #4 to freebase? Or does it involve a lot of controlled chemicals and knowledge of chemistry?

[Woody Bear]

Is there a simple way to convert NE Columbian Brown #4 to freebase? Or does it involve a lot of controlled chemicals and knowledge of chemistry?
Yes there is a simple way that doesn't involve any controlled chemicals, see post 9 in this thread. The most complicated bit of equipment is a small funnel, and ammonia is easily available as a home cleaning product in houseware shops.

It does produce ammonium chloride, which vaporises at quite a low temperature, which is why you need to add water to it, to wash it out first, other wise if you over heat it, it will hurt your lungs. And you can't just mix it with ammonia and filter it, because the coffee filter paper is unlikely to catch it all, and it will be covered with a fine precipitate layer, that will be difficult to get it all off.

Once you dry the heroin base on the warm Pyrex plate, when it's scraped up, it forms quite a clump. The particles in this clump will want to stay clumped together, and when it gets wet, they will stick together. But the problem with fine precipitates is that they will pass through all but the finest filter papers. So that's why it's better to follow the procedure rather then basifying and filtering the precipitated heroin base directly.

Now you could do direct filtration if you were filtering through diatomaceous earth, and then washing the heroin through with dichloromethane. But that would require a vacuum filter set-up and being able to distil your own dichloromethane. But that would be overly complicated as just following the procedure in post #9 of this thread, should work well enough. Although, be warned, I have never this on heroin, so it's just theory to me. If you want to try it, only try it on part of a bag first.

[AlteK]

Yes there is a simple way that doesn't involve any controlled chemicals, see post 9 in this thread. The most complicated bit of equipment is a small funnel, and ammonia is easily available as a home cleaning product in houseware shops.

It does produce ammonium chloride, which vaporises at quite a low temperature, which is why you need to add water to it, to wash it out first, other wise if you over heat it, it will hurt your lungs. And you can't just mix it with ammonia and filter it, because the coffee filter paper is unlikely to catch it all, and it will be covered with a fine precipitate layer, that will be difficult to get it all off.

Once you dry the heroin base on the warm Pyrex plate, when it's scraped up, it forms quite a clump. The particles in this clump will want to stay clumped together, and when it gets wet, they will stick together. But the problem with fine precipitates is that they will pass through all but the finest filter papers. So that's why it's better to follow the procedure rather then basifying and filtering the precipitated heroin base directly.

Now you could do direct filtration if you were filtering through diatomaceous earth, and then washing the heroin through with dichloromethane. But that would require a vacuum filter set-up and being able to distil your own dichloromethane. But that would be overly complicated as just following the procedure in post #9 of this thread, should work well enough. Although, be warned, I have never this on heroin, so it's just theory to me. If you want to try it, only try it on part of a bag first.


Your simple way is merely a "theory" though. You seem to know your stuff, but theory is theory. Thanks for the info though, do appreciate it. Maybe I will try your theory when I get home at some point.

[SpecialGuy69]

the way he described will work.

OR

This is Chemboy7's purifying street dope procedure from "Purifiacation of Street H"

First weigh out one gram of heroin from the stock you received from your supplier. Place this gram into a 13 x 100mm test tube.
Add a few drops of 28% hydrochloric acid until it is evenly damp. Allow to react for a minute or two. Next add 5 ml distilled water, place your thumb over the end and carefully shake to dissolve all that will dissolve into the water.
Allow the insolubles to settle. Using a pipette, remove and transfer as much of the liquid to a fresh test tube leaving the solids behind. Dispose of the undissolved remains in the first test tube.
Slowly add via pipette, one drop at time, ammonium hydroxide (water clear household ammonia) until the white precipitate ceases production. Add several more drops at this point just to be sure. Shake gently to be sure that all the solution is evenly ammoniated. The solution should look milky.
Now add 100 ml ethyl ether (some kinds of diesel starting fluids, read the label) to a 150 ml beaker. Dump the milky liquid into the ether and stir briskly and allow the water to settle and collect on the bottom. The water will turn clear.
Using a glass pipette, remove this water from the bottom of the beaker and dispose of.
Now mix up a solution of 5ml 28% hydrochloric acid and 5ml distilled water and add this to the ether in the beaker. Stir briskly keeping as much acid/water suspended as possible for several minutes. Allow the water/acid to collect on the bottom of the beaker.
Using a glass pipette, remove this water layer from the bottom of the ether and transfer to a glass petri dish. Transfer the ether back to its storage bottle for reuse. It will still contain small amounts of heroin base, so don't throw it out. Recycle!
Slowly add small portions of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to the water/acid solution in the petri until you don't notice any more bubbles being formed.
Place the glass on a warm surface, and allow to evaporate. The residue will be diacetylmorphine hydrochloride and salt. Table salt is a by-product of the reaction and will not hurt you at all when injected.
Scrape up the residue and weigh it. Yield from one gram of smack (yea, we called it that) would be anything from 100 to 300 mg, rarely more.
Place 100 mg of this powder in a test tube, add 10 cc sterile isotonic water for injection (available OTC at drug stores) and heat to boiling. Transfer this liquid while still hot using a syringe (available OTC at some drug stores) to a 10 ml rubber stoppered empty sterile ampoule (available OTC at drug stores).
To use this drug which is 10mg/ml, extract with a sterile syringe as much drug as you wish to use.I bolded the part that's relevant. Freebase H is sparingly soluble in water, but highly soluble in ether, which is how this acid/base extraction works. So if you just follow the instructions to the last bold step, and then filter the precipitate, you will have freebase heroin #3, and pretty clean shit, too.

The reason I bring this up is because this procedure has been tested and proved many thousands of times over, and absolutely works. It also goes to prove the theory behind WoodyBear's procedure is sound.

[Woody Bear]

Also in my procedure in post #9, I assumed that the heroin and cuts were fully water soluble. If it's not, and there are insoluble cuts, then you'd be better off dissolving it in water, then filtering it through a fine wheel filter, before adding the ammonia. This gives you more water to evaporate off, but gives a purer product if you've got insoluble cuts in your dope.

This is Chemboy7's purifying street dope procedure from "Purifiacation of Street H"
* First weigh out one gram of heroin from the stock you received from your supplier. Place this gram into a 13 x 100mm test tube.
* Add a few drops of 28% hydrochloric acid until it is evenly damp. Allow to react for a minute or two. Next add 5 ml distilled water, place your thumb over the end and carefully shake to dissolve all that will dissolve into the water.
* Allow the insolubles to settle. Using a pipette, remove and transfer as much of the liquid to a fresh test tube leaving the solids behind. Dispose of the undissolved remains in the first test tube.
* Slowly add via pipette, one drop at time, ammonium hydroxide (water clear household ammonia) until the white precipitate ceases production. Add several more drops at this point just to be sure. Shake gently to be sure that all the solution is evenly ammoniated. The solution should look milky.
* Now add 100 ml ethyl ether (some kinds of diesel starting fluids, read the label) to a 150 ml beaker. Dump the milky liquid into the ether and stir briskly and allow the water to settle and collect on the bottom. The water will turn clear.
* Using a glass pipette, remove this water from the bottom of the beaker and dispose of.
* Now mix up a solution of 5ml 28% hydrochloric acid and 5ml distilled water and add this to the ether in the beaker. Stir briskly keeping as much acid/water suspended as possible for several minutes. Allow the water/acid to collect on the bottom of the beaker.
* Using a glass pipette, remove this water layer from the bottom of the ether and transfer to a glass petri dish. Transfer the ether back to its storage bottle for reuse. It will still contain small amounts of heroin base, so don't throw it out. Recycle!
* Slowly add small portions of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to the water/acid solution in the petri until you don't notice any more bubbles being formed.
* Place the glass on a warm surface, and allow to evaporate. The residue will be diacetylmorphine hydrochloride and salt. Table salt is a by-product of the reaction and will not hurt you at all when injected.
* Scrape up the residue and weigh it. Yield from one gram of smack (yea, we called it that) would be anything from 100 to 300 mg, rarely more.
* Place 100 mg of this powder in a test tube, add 10 cc sterile isotonic water for injection (available OTC at drug stores) and heat to boiling. Transfer this liquid while still hot using a syringe (available OTC at some drug stores) to a 10 ml rubber stoppered empty sterile ampoule (available OTC at drug stores).
* To use this drug which is 10mg/ml, extract with a sterile syringe as much drug as you wish to use.

I bolded the part that's relevant. Freebase H is sparingly soluble in water, but highly soluble in ether, which is how this acid/base extraction works. So if you just follow the instructions to the last bold step, and then filter the precipitate, you will have freebase heroin #3, and pretty clean shit, too.
The reason I bring this up is because this procedure has been tested and proved many thousands of times over, and absolutely works. It also goes to prove the theory behind WoodyBear's procedure is sound.
I'd just like to point out that if you were to try Chemboy7's full purifying street dope procedure, that there are a couple of sticking points. Firstly that ether is highly dangerous, I would feel comfortable gerry rigging bottles and copper tubing to make a dichloromethane still. But ether is something that is too flammable to use indoors, it really is for a lab setting only. Ether reacts with oxygen to form explosive white crystals. These collect on the neck of old jugs, so when you open them they explode. So if doing this procedure, it's safer to use dichloromethane instead, but dichloromethane is heavier than water, so the solvent layer will always be underneath the water, unlike ether which floats on top.

The second sticking point is the part where he says:
"Slowly add small portions of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to the water/acid solution in the petri until you don't notice any more bubbles being formed."
Now this will raise the pH to neutral, but if you add too much, then you risk forming heroin base which is not water soluble. I reckon that the reason why he recommended this, is because excessive boiling in acidic water will cause heroin to break down back into morphine. But if you don't add any baking soda, all the excess hydrochloric acid will evaporate off with the water, leaving behind pure heroin hydrochloride, instead of a mixture of heroin.HCl and salt.

If I were to try this, I wouldn't add any sodium bicarbonate, but what ever you do, be very careful when you evaporate off the water. Use a large Pyrex dish, place it in the oven until it's warm, but you're still able to hold it in your hands with no problem for ages. Then use a small battery powered fan to blow on it. If you put your hand on the other side of the dish, as the solution evaporates, it will cool down and the evaporation will slow. So gently rewarm it, then fan it again. It takes a few cycles but it can take less then 10 minutes to evaporate down 5 mL's in a Pyrex plate, so it's not too time consuming. But it gets to a point that most of the water has evaporated, but it's still not quite dry. There's a skin on top stopping further evaporation. So then scraping it up and chopping it with a razor blade helps, but once you do this, you can't fan it or you'll blow the powder out.

[phaedros]

I was reading this post and the different methods of smoking H and I was wondering if a clean test tube would work for smoking.Maybe one of you could answer this for me.Ive never smoked H.I bang it.I was just curious.

[AlteK]

the way he described will work.

OR

Chemboy's Procedure

This is Chemboy7's purifying street dope procedure from "Purifiacation of Street H"
I bolded the part that's relevant. Freebase H is sparingly soluble in water, but highly soluble in ether, which is how this acid/base extraction works. So if you just follow the instructions to the last bold step, and then filter the precipitate, you will have freebase heroin #3, and pretty clean shit, too.

The reason I bring this up is because this procedure has been tested and proved many thousands of times over, and absolutely works. It also goes to prove the theory behind WoodyBear's procedure is sound.


So your saying if I follow those few bold steps that my end product will be freebase heroin #3 (smokeable)? Seems pretty sweet. Where do you get 28% hydrochloric acid? The steps seem pretty damn simple. After I finish all steps though, if I did it right in theory, I would have freebase #3 heroin suspended in water, correct? Now you said after I am done with steps to "filter the precipitate".. I am assuming that means seperate the freebase heroin from the water. How exactly does one do that? When all is said and done, would the freebase be a solid or powder form?

[underide]

stalk the lizard... I mean, chase the dragon

:D
Good one man!
With some dealer's H quality, i'm sure it can in fact seem like you're "stalking the lizard" instead of "chasing the dragon"

OP: I've said it before but if you're going to smoke heroin, then using tin foil is THE most efficient method of smoking and in my opinion comes second only to injecting intravenously.

Some tips: keep the foil shiny side down, use a low flame, keep the straw as close to the vapors as possible and after each chase take a drag off a cigarette as they say that helps it get all sucked into your lungs.

Mollywopped: i used to think that myself, but now think it is quite possible to smoke #4. It is a little more wasteful than smoking #2 or #3 but it is common practice and as far as i know a lot of people do it and gain considerable effects from doing it i.e - it is far from being a complete waste.
I've been to Spain some years back and pretty much all they have there is beige #4 heroin, and i was surprised to see some junkies actually chasing that heroin. I asked one guy if it did anything effect-wise and he looked at me as if i was stupid.
Just ask Raz - i'm pretty sure he gets #4 too, and he knows more about smoking heroin than probably all of us here combined.
I doubt he would be smoking that heroin if it was a complete waste.

[underide]

..sorry i know a guy who puts a little of that powder on his glass pipe on top of weed???.... he says he gets high from it?!?!?!? wow!!!

Yeah - he gets high from the weed, man...

[Raz]

^^^^ Yeah bro, i believe its #4 out here.And they all maintain habits on it...Chasin habits..

.Lately my blind dosin of meth has hit the fan,not gettin any effects off chasin while every other fucker is noddin out...
Guess its time to get off the methabus....

Yesterday was quite funny..My guy had to have his piss test and the women who work on the bus,1 is fuckin gorgeous ,the other a dragon.He had to have the gorgeous one watch him take a piss.And of course he gets embarrassed, just cant piss.After about 3cans of beer he finally fuckin gets there and pisses...Oh yeah we didnt give him a hard time afterwards...Yeah fuckin right,"needle dick, the bug fucker"!!

[underide]

.And of course he gets embarrassed, just cant piss.After about 3cans of beer he finally fuckin gets there and pisses...Oh yeah we didnt give him a hard time afterwards...Yeah fuckin right,"needle dick, the bug fucker"!!

:D You'd be surprised how hard it can be to piss sometimes, even if it is only a bloke who's watching you.
I normally don't get that 'shy bladder' syndrome in the 'normal' world, like public toilets, etc.
But i had to have someone watch me piss every single week at the clinic ( and i mean watch you - i.e standing just a couple of feet away from you and literally looking right at your dick). Here they only allow for same sex workers to monitor you with your pants down - i guess it's more 'liberal' in that regard in Spain. Most of the time i never had a problem. Sometimes though - i just couldn't piss for the life of me. But i always did in the end, coz if you don't piss, you don't get your methadone here.
It's really just a fucking mind game sometimes

[SpecialGuy69]

So your saying if I follow those few bold steps that my end product will be freebase heroin #3 (smokeable)? Seems pretty sweet. Where do you get 28% hydrochloric acid? The steps seem pretty damn simple. After I finish all steps though, if I did it right in theory, I would have freebase #3 heroin suspended in water, correct? Now you said after I am done with steps to "filter the precipitate".. I am assuming that means seperate the freebase heroin from the water. How exactly does one do that? When all is said and done, would the freebase be a solid or powder form?Its a really great idea to change your IV habit to a smoking habit. It'll save your veins and you'll be healthier all around.

You can purchase 28% (or any close %) HCl from the hardware store. It is sold for several purposes- cheapest is Muratic Acid, sold as concrete etcher/cleaner. It's also sold for several other purposes: Here is a link to help you (http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=14&query=hydrochloric+acid&prodcat=all). If you can't figure it out after reading that link, nobody can help you.

Separating the freebase from the water is simple. Once you get past the HCl step, Add ammonia (NOT THE SOAPY/SCENTED SHIT!!!) by the drop and you will see the freebase "snow" out of the water. Count the drops. Continue adding ammonia until this stops. Then add 5 or so more drops (1/4 as many as you counted- this is very approximate). Stir.

Now let the "snow" settle to the bottom for a few minutes. Once it's all settled, pour off the water through 2-3 stacked coffee filters (one should do fine, but you dont want it to rip). Now you should have your freebase in the filter and the bottom of the test tube (or whatever you used). Dry it out and smoke.

Just to make sure you dont waste any dope (we're talking like the last 4% or so), you can save the water and use it again next time. Keep it fresh- freeze it if its going to be a day or more, if its going to be less, refrigerate it. If you can't keep it cold, toss it.

This WILL work.

[Woody Bear]

If your dope dissolves in water, it's heroin hydochloride. This is what you get in the US, either tar on the West Coast or purer Columbian on the East Coast. You do not need to add hydrochloric acid to it in the process to make this smokable. The reason hydrochloric acid is in the purifying procedure is to make heroin base water soluble. But if you have heroin base, then you don't need to do anything else to it to make it smokable.

Now in Europe, most of the heroin is Afghani heroin base. It is smokable, but it's not water soluble, so if you want to inject it, then you'd have to add acid to it. Also European heroin is not heroin #4. The heroin numbers refer to the types of heroin that originate in Asia. Heroin #3 is smokable heroin hydrochloride with caffeine added to depress the melting point and make it melt at a lower temperature. Heroin #4 is pure heroin hydrochloride. The European Afghani heroin and West coast tar aren't on the Heroin number scale.

[Raz]

Mate just put it on the jimmy(foil) and smoke it.Have a look at my thread Espana styliee.And you'll see what happens to H once you have applied heat to the powder.Just put the flame of the lighter under the heroin on the foil,the heat will disolve it to the brown blob.Then gently tilt the foil and let the blob run slowly down the foil as you tilt it and inhale the vapours...

If your H doesnt turn into a brown blob,onec heat has been applied, then 90% of the time you've got shit...Unless it is white herion hydro, which is suitable for sniffin or fixin..Brown powder H is easily smoked with little effort...

Fuck,i've put a pic out there.I aint puttin the video out....

[havok]

JUST PUT THE HEROIN ON SOME FOIL AND SMOKE IT.

There is no need to convert it to anything. I have smoked tar and powder right off the street on foil many times and it works just fine. You smoke powder heroin the exact same way as you smoke tar heroin. Wheover posted that "theory" has been smoking too much crack and has never actually tried it with heroin.

You just smoke it as is, exactly like Raz said above.

[Woody Bear]

havok, there's no need to be a dick about it. I was honest by saying that I hadn't tried it, but the theory is sound. Now I definitely agree that if you're going to smoke it, "chase" it on foil, rather then putting it in a cigarette.

Now personally, if I was to take heroin, I'd do a full purification on it, so I always had a pure product that was always the same potency. And then I'd plug a weighed amount of the heroin hydrochloride salt.

havok I'm glad you find that smoking tar and powder works, but I've read plenty of people who say that they find smoking didn't get them as high. This is because as an ROA, smoking it is more wasteful then plugging or IV.

[illchemist]

What do you all think of a heroin base/hash oil mixture? I am not a big h user but was wondering how these two would go together in a single hit. Would the h overpower the cannabis? It sounds like an ideal pain remedy. This would theoretically be smoked out of an oil pipe.

[SpecialGuy69]

What do you all think of a heroin base/hash oil mixture? I am not a big h user but was wondering how these two would go together in a single hit. Would the h overpower the cannabis? It sounds like an ideal pain remedy. This would theoretically be smoked out of an oil pipe.
why mix them together if you don't have to. It just limits your dosing options unnecessarily. 2 pipes- one for the brown, one for the green.

[OxyContinuously]

forget about all this number 3 and number 4 garbage...

dope on the east coast, the tannish powder, is smokable as is, no need for any additives...someone said caffeine, come on, think!

put it on the foil as is, and chase it, end of story!!

oh, and that "chemboy7" procedure was ripped verbatim from erowid, check it out:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin_info5.shtml

[AlteK]

I know the heroin I get is pretty pure Columbian tan/brown #4 and when I try and smoke it on foil, it burns up WAYYYY to quickly. I hold the lighter a few inches under the foil and the dope just sizzles up almost instantly.. I get a puff of smoke and thats that. It's quick and useless to me. I can maybe size the dope out and get 2-3 good puffs if I hold the lighter and stop quickly. It tastes like ass. Its hard for me to catch the smoke. I know I am not doing it wrong, I've seen it done many times, just seems like my shit burns up so quickly (hence the melting point issue).

[Inspektahdek]

When I first read rachamim18 stating that heroin #3 was heroin hydrochloride with caffeine added to depress the melting point, I thought, "That can't be right, you can't smoke heroin hydrochloride". But I looked it up in my copy of "Opium Poppy Cultivation and Heroin Processing in Southeast Asia", and sure enough that was what it said smokable heroin #3 is.

I've also heard a story of someone who smoked powder cocaine in a joint. Not crack, powder cocaine hydrochloride. He said it works, it's not as efficient as crack but it still gets you high. The story he told was he met a guy who had some powder and said to the guy that he would buy some, but only if it was good. So the guy rolled up a joint, and they shared it. The story teller said that he was high, but he didn't want to pay, so he kept saying, "Naah, I can't can't feel nothing mate". So the guy said, "It is good, it is good, how about I roll up another". So he did, and they smoked it. The story teller insisted that it wasn't good and he didn't feel anything, but in fact he was really high. He walked away without paying for it, feeling really good about himself. And I thought to myself, "What a wanker, he ripped that guy off and he's happy about it, what a dick".

Anyways, no one is saying that smoking hydrochlorides is just a placebo effect. What we're saying is that it's ineffecient, and a waste of money, not that you didn't get high. So it's simple enough to make heroin smokable by converting it into the freebase, or failing that adding caffeine, probably it would be best to do both. But we're not doubting people stories, instead we're just trying to help each other out get the best out of our hobbies.

In chemistry, pure substances have sharp melting points, that is, they melt at say 156.2-156.8°C. If they are impure, it depresses the melting point, so it will start melting at say 152°C. Really impure samples melt much lower, and the more different impurities, the more fucked up the melting point is. So if you have reasonable pure heroin hydrochloride aka heroin #4, it's more likely to overheat and burn up instead of vaporising. But if you cut it with caffeine it depresses the melting point, so it melts and this helps it to vaporise. Now the stuff on the street, is not pure, so SeVeN, even if you did get heroin #4, your stuff was cut with something that made it melt for you and work when you smoked it. This was down to the cut that was used in your batch. It's good that it worked for you, but it will not work for all East Coast Columbian sourced heroin. And if your stuff was converted to the freebase, smoking it would be even easier and take less heat.

I second this I've smoked or licked the end of the a cig ever so gently or wrapped saliva around its ends stuck it in a bag and swiveled until I thought it was sufficient and empties a little out of the top and put a little bit in and I DID GET HIGH