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bi11i
02-10-2005, 11:29 AM
Canada tests radical cure for drug addiction
10:41 PM PST on Wednesday, February 9, 2005

By LINDA BYRON / KING 5 News (http://www.king5.com/localnews/specialassignments/stories/NW_020905SR_KINGONLYheroinJK.911fe8fe.html)

Looking at Vancouver's cosmopolitan skyline, it's hard to envision the dark world of addiction that rules the city's downtown eastside, a world of heroin users shooting up in the streets, in the shadow of darkness and the glare of broad daylight.

Hoping to stem the troubling epidemic of crime and disease, the Canadian government is embarking on a controversial experiment: supplying drugs to heroin addicts. And Vancouver, B.C. is the first Canadian city to take part in the study.

Some 60,000 to 90,000 Canadians are addicted to heroin.

But starting Wednesday, Feb. 9, Vancouver officials began handing out injection kits and even inviting addicts to shoot up in a "safe room," a supervised injection site located two blocks from the police station.

Epidemiologist Martin Schechter is leading a year-long experiment supplying heroin to addicts who've failed in traditional methadone treatment and returned to a life of street drugs.

In all, 470 addicts will be enrolled in the study, The North American Opiate Medication Initiative.

Half of those will be given pharmaceutical-grade heroin before transitioning to methadone. The other half will be given methadone from the start.

"This is not glamorous, not something you would choose. They want out but they need help," he says Schechter.

"They are injecting heroin, whether they do it with us in the study or here, so it's not like we'll be creating new heroin users," he says. "We're trying to get them off the street and eventually get them well."

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Vancouver officials began handing out injection kits and even inviting addicts to shoot up in a "safe room."

Schecter believes that to do that you have to take the crime out of the drug use.

"What we've been doing isn't working and this problem is getting worse not better. I'm passionate about finding us new approaches, getting us out of this quagmire."

And the problem does seem to be escalating. The level of drug violence shocks even seasoned officers on the street.

In one video, taped by a concerned citizen, an organized gang of drug addicts can be seen robbing an elderly man beaten almost unconscious for his money and meager possessions.

Similar incidents have convinced chief Constable Jamie Graham that the heroin study is worth a try.

"Who knows? I can tell you the war on drugs up to now has had limited success," Graham said.

Vancouver's mayor Larry Campbell agrees, bristling at critics who charge that the government will be enabling addicts by supplying them drugs.

"Here's your choice: We can give them drugs and they can get stabilized, or we can not give them drugs and they can break into your house, rip off your purse, they could get HIV which is going to cost you $150,000 a year. And at the end of the day, you're no further ahead," Campbell said.

Campbell said researchers in Europe found that when supplied drugs legally, even the most hard core addicts were more likely to lead stable lives and get jobs. And when they got into treatment they were more likely to stick with it and kick the habit.

And now everyone from the mayor to the police chief supports it. They argue that something has to be done about the estimated 10,000 IV drug users wreaking havoc in their city.

There's no talk of a similar study any time soon in the U.S., where more than 300,000 people reported using heroin in 2003. Nevertheless, U.S. researchers concluded it would be political suicide to attempt a similar study and would never get funded.

bi11i
02-10-2005, 11:30 AM
finally, someone decides to deal with it the smart way. Once again, Canada gets'er'dun.

1badrabbit
02-10-2005, 02:33 PM
No joke about that man, I have heard about this for a while. But never saw an official article until now. Too bad the US won't be looking at something like this for a long time.

Peripat
02-10-2005, 08:21 PM
I'm glad to see Canada is going where the USA and Australia fear to tread...

This idea was going to be trialled in Canberra (Australia's capital city) back in the late 1990's, but the Federal Government here put a stop to it before trials could begin.

*Shakes head*... honestly. Why not treat people like human beings? They'll be less likely to rob you blind for their next fix, then...

soro_one
06-13-2006, 05:12 PM
Well i'm glad I live in Vancouver :) But you have to have been using for 5 years over 19 and living on the streets to be considered.

Paregoric Kid
06-13-2006, 06:23 PM
it's nice and all and it's good they are doing a study, but I don't think the solution is free government dope. the solution is to free the market, let it be sold OTC. why make everyone pay for other peoples addictions?
the study is good because it may show the government that they cause their own problems.
here is a better idea for the study. have private companies fund the research and manufacturing of heroin and then sell the heroin and needles to the addicts. the addicts get what they want, dirt cheap pure heroin and the heroin the company had to make is paid for when the addicts purchase it. an experiment in both economics and health/science.

shaunclo
06-14-2006, 06:06 PM
it's nice and all and it's good they are doing a study, but I don't think the solution is free government dope. the solution is to free the market, let it be sold OTC. why make everyone pay for other peoples addictions?
the study is good because it may show the government that they cause their own problems.
here is a better idea for the study. have private companies fund the research and manufacturing of heroin and then sell the heroin and needles to the addicts. the addicts get what they want, dirt cheap pure heroin and the heroin the company had to make is paid for when the addicts purchase it. an experiment in both economics and health/science.

I hear what your saying, but H being sold legally would last only how long before some idiot high-schoolers start dropping dead because they think they can take the biggest shot. You know how it is in high-school. "No, I can drink more than you, No....I can drink more than you" Could you imagine what that would be like with H.

As much as I would love to go to the supermarket and pick up some un-cut dope, theres no chance in hell they are ever going to legalize it.

Coddfish
06-14-2006, 08:30 PM
Unfortunately, I agree with shaunclo. It's nice to dream, but it'll never never happen. Unless the bird flu wipes out 80% of the population and dope offers some kind of immunity. (hey, let's start that rumor!)

Or the government falls and the u.s. splits into 20 different countries, maybe we could form Opiania. We would have a free trade agreement with Cocainia. What other countries would we trade with?

Paregoric Kid
06-15-2006, 02:59 PM
people need to take some self responsibilty. if it was OTC it would be for adults. hey guess what it's illegal and people still OD but most of the time it's because of adulterants. pharmaceutical grade heroin is pure and you know how much you are getting, if they are just stupid enough to take too much that is their own fault. restricting the sale and possesion of heroin doesn't stop these problems it only infringes on other peoples freedom. there is no indication that if it were legalized that the addict population would increase that much. there may be an initial spike but it would taper down.

sly99
06-15-2006, 03:25 PM
finally, someone decides to deal with it the smart way. Once again, Canada gets'er'dun.
Switzerland has been doing something similar to this for awhile, with excellent success. They even provide the heroin. Here is a link to a story I first heard on BBC Worldservice a couple days ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5007962.stm

shaunclo
06-15-2006, 04:24 PM
people need to take some self responsibilty. if it was OTC it would be for adults. hey guess what it's illegal and people still OD but most of the time it's because of adulterants. pharmaceutical grade heroin is pure and you know how much you are getting, if they are just stupid enough to take too much that is their own fault. restricting the sale and possesion of heroin doesn't stop these problems it only infringes on other peoples freedom. there is no indication that if it were legalized that the addict population would increase that much. there may be an initial spike but it would taper down.

P.K., C'mon man, you cant be that naive. Read all the posts of people wanting and looking for H with no avail, if it was legal and able to be picked up at the grocery store with a valid I.D., I think the addict population would sky rocket. I know that if it became legal, and it was as easily obtainable as alchohol, I would be a full-blown addict for the rest of my days (even though I think I will be anyways) but for right now, the only thing that keeps me from using every day is that I cant afford it and my connects are few and far between. Now I take responsibility for that, no one ever pushed it into my veins, it was my choice. But I also know the power that H has, it can comsume the strongest minded man, and if you think its completely harmless, well, I dont really know what to say.

Now dont think for a second that I wouldnt want to be able to pick up grade A Heroin as easy as I can a 6-pack, cause I think an opiated life is a wonderful life, and if I ever won the lottery ~ I would be the happiest millionaire in the world.......I dont really know what Im trying to say, I guess I just would never want my children (if I ever have any) to ever have to go thru what I have gone thru.

shaunclo
06-15-2006, 04:45 PM
o.k., o.k., I am re-reading my post and I dont think anyone or any kind of organization should be able to tell us what to do, or what we can or cant take or consume. We should have the right to do whatever we want to our bodies, cause ITS OUR FUCKIN BODIES!!! So in a perfect world, nothing should be illegal, but you have to think about why it became illegal in the first place. Its not because the Gov't wanted to make it illegal so they could make money off of it, its because people were OD'ing and lots and lots of poeple were getting strung out.

I love my opiates as much as any other opiophile, but you have to serioulsy ask yourself if you think it is a safe thing that the mast-majority could handle. I know for myself that H has made me contemplate suicide on multiple ocassions, and I know others have felt the same. Maybe it was only because of the availability of it and if it was legal I would be constanlty happy (as long as I could come up with money for my next fix) Does this mean that since I have contemplated suicide, that I should say that YOU cant help yourself to your next shot?.......No, all I am trying to say is that there should be limits to things, but I am not that person to make those limits becuase I am far from perfect, and what I think is a good limit might not be for someone else. Again, here I am going back and forth, I dont fuckin know anymore. I guess its because I LOVE AND HATE MY OPIATES BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

HistoryofMadness
06-15-2006, 04:48 PM
There is a big difference between liberty and license. No one has the right to do anything; all rights are from things being done to you... some actions should be punished, plain and simple, and some behavior should be discouraged by the state, whether we like it or not.

Its not what they discourage that bothers me, its how they do it.

superman
06-15-2006, 05:39 PM
i have to disagree with you shaun + codd. i think that legalization is where we are heading and i don't think it's going to be a problem. it works fine in other countries, and it will work just as well here, especially when coupled with a REAL drug education program in all schools, not just some stupid fucking cop telling kids that drugs are bad, don't do them, by the way here is a breifcase full of examples of what drug look like, yeah be sure to rat on your friends and family if you see this stuff around.

that was my intro to drugs in grade 7. and i got a T-Shirt, yay....
if only i wasn't already smoking dope and drinking at that point, and very interested in trying other drugs.

shaunclo
06-15-2006, 05:45 PM
Hey, like I have said before, what fun would it be if we all agreed on everything. Thats what makes this so much fun is that you get so many different points of view. I appreciate a good disagreement, I am by far a horrible debator and always and scared that someone is going to take what I say personally, especially the people on here I respect and those who I feel I have been lucky enough to become friends with.....OPIATES TO ALL Y'ALL, oh wait, Im out. Nevermind.