whats with all the hype aboud D's?

[grant123]

:rolleyes:ok so i use tar every day... between .5-1.0 gram per day.

i had tried a 4mg D iv way back in the day and dont remember how good/not good it was.... so i foudn a connect and got a few of the m/4's....

i took 6 of them fuckers, hit em with 1ml of water, after i powded them and put them into the spoon... swirled it arouND, didnt heat..... drawed up/pushed off... i felt, little to nothing. now you would think 24 mg of dilladid should do something even to a rather high tolerance user.... no?

i was dissapointed. :(

anyone else have the same problem>? maybe if i got the IV amps it would be better? *sigh*

[mart1n]

I was just going to start a new thread about this same topic. I started shooting tar but have switched to pills because my veins were getting hard and I want to save the easy ones I have left. I usually shoot oxycondone and also just tried morphine for the first time (HATED the pins and needles). So, to sum things up... I picked up some Dillies yesterday at what I think was a great price, $1 for the 4mg pills. These were the M/4 pills (The big M with no box around it).

I first read all the information I could find on opiophile about these guys and found that these leave a lot of binder and filler behind and heat doesn't really matter. I also read to start really slow with Dillies and that they pack a good punch at smaller amounts. Since the quality of tar varies so much, I'll use other things for my example. I usually shoot 160mgs of oxycondone. I also shot 100mgs of morphine and didn't get very high, just nasty pins and needles then nothing.

I decided to start off with 4mgs of D...felt nothing. I waited about four hours and tried 8mgs of D...felt nothing. I mean NOTHING...no rush at all. I might of been on other opiates at the time, but I wouldn't of been really high if I was, because I was trying to feel the D in a pure form. For my questions now, am I doing something wrong in the prep of the shot? Or do I just need more D to get off? I'm going to try again today, but before I go up to 12mgs and waste more D, I want to figure out if I'm doing these correctly! Thanks for all the help!

[Raisin]

They obviously won't work for you, send them to me.

[syn2600]

i've tried up to 16mg of dilly, and found that 30mg of ir morphine sulfate provided a waaay greater rush and nod. Not a big dilly fan atm, but idk maybe i'll try again.

[ein0606]

15 mgs oc = 1.5 hydromorphone so if u need 160 oc then try 11 4mgs.....wait thats IM
would IM equivalency be the same as IV?

[mart1n]

After looking at a lot of narcotic conversion tables online, I think my problem is under-dosing. It looks like if I want the equiv of 100mg of Morphine that I need 20-30mgs of D. Does that sound about right to everyone? I know those conversion charts are not 100% and everyone is different.

[mart1n]

15 mgs oc = 1.5 hydromorphone so if u need 160 oc then try 11 4mgs.....wait thats IM
would IM equivalency be the same as IV?

Are you saying to try 114mgs? or 11 of the 4mg pills? From the conversion rate you mentioned. It looks like Oxy is 10 times stronger. So 16mgs of D would be the same as 160mgs of Oxycodone? Does that sound about right?

[kil092286]

Are you saying to try 114mgs? or 11 of the 4mg pills? From the conversion rate you mentioned. It looks like Oxy is 10 times stronger. So 16mgs of D would be the same as 160mgs of Oxycodone? Does that sound about right?

Oxy is 10 times weaker, he means 44mgs of dillys, imo that is a little steep to start out. Remember start out small, wait a while and do more if you are sure its not enough. Be carefull. - Kil

[strikks]

:rolleyes:ok so i use tar every day... between .5-1.0 gram per day.

i had tried a 4mg D iv way back in the day and dont remember how good/not good it was.... so i foudn a connect and got a few of the m/4's....

i took 6 of them fuckers, hit em with 1ml of water, after i powded them and put them into the spoon... swirled it arouND, didnt heat..... drawed up/pushed off... i felt, little to nothing. now you would think 24 mg of dilladid should do something even to a rather high tolerance user.... no?

i was dissapointed. :(

anyone else have the same problem>? maybe if i got the IV amps it would be better? *sigh*

i can shoot a ms contin 200mg and be cool for 8 hours i do two a day sometimes three so my tolerance is high i went to the er and was in pain and withdrawl for like 20 hours and the doc gave me 24 mg of dilly in my ass cheek in 4 shots and i was still in pain he wood not give me more and i dont think he believed me i left and was not sick anymore and had gotten a little pain relief but NO buzz i actually barely felt it at all it was weird cuz everyone says how good it is and strong i never can get it on the street so the only experience i have had was at the hospital ,im ,in my ass i was dissapointed to say the least then i had to explain to my pm doc why i did it! wasnt anything i expected so i think you have a tolerance like me or higher and /or you are underdosing someone told me though the only thing dillys are good for is the strong rush then it dropps off so i dont know you may still be able to put yerself down with a big enough shot but then wake up to only be dissapointed!:D:D:D

[SeVeN]

Are you saying to try 114mgs? or 11 of the 4mg pills? From the conversion rate you mentioned. It looks like Oxy is 10 times stronger. So 16mgs of D would be the same as 160mgs of Oxycodone? Does that sound about right?

Please God dont do either. I don't know why they don't seem to work for you guys but the max I've ever done is around 24-32mgs. The rush is great, but shit it scares the hell out of me.
If your inexperienced with dilaudid but use O.C often I cant understand y 24mg's wouldn't get u off.

Do usually inject o.c.? Are u sure registered a hit. Well if your being seroius about this inquiry please be careful.

[mart1n]

Please God dont do either. I don't know why they don't seem to work for you guys but the max I've ever done is around 24-32mgs. The rush is great, but shit it scares the hell out of me.
If your inexperienced with dilaudid but use O.C often I cant understand y 24mg's wouldn't get u off.

Do usually inject o.c.? Are u sure registered a hit. Well if your being seroius about this inquiry please be careful.

Sorry to confuse matters. I hijacked grant123's post, sorry! I never did 24mgs of D. My biggest shot was 8mgs at the time of the post. After figuring out that wasn't enough for my tolerance I bumped it up to 16mgs last night and felt the shot. 16mgs wasn't quite enough for a great rush, but got the job done. Whenever I get more, I'll give 20mgs a try. I've been finding the 4mg ones for $1 a pop here, so it's cheap enough to play with :D

[kil092286]

Sorry to confuse matters. I hijacked grant123's post, sorry! I never did 24mgs of D. My biggest shot was 8mgs at the time of the post. After figuring out that wasn't enough for my tolerance I bumped it up to 16mgs last night and felt the shot. 16mgs wasn't quite enough for a great rush, but got the job done. Whenever I get more, I'll give 20mgs a try. I've been finding the 4mg ones for $1 a pop here, so it's cheap enough to play with :D

thats very fuckin cheap, stock up dude

[mollywopped]

After looking at a lot of narcotic conversion tables online, I think my problem is under-dosing. It looks like if I want the equiv of 100mg of Morphine that I need 20-30mgs of D. Does that sound about right to everyone? I know those conversion charts are not 100% and everyone is different.


Most charts say that dilaudid is 7-10 times stronger than morphine. so 100 mgs of morphine would be about 10-15mgs dilaudid.

But if you did 24 I think you said and didn't feel anything? That is hard to fathom. You did it IV, right? Cuz IV is really the only way to feel them. Back when I used to do them, I would usually do 32mg shots, but I had been at it a long time so I wouldn't suggest doing that.

I just can't see why you aren't getting anything out of it. How long was it after your last H shot that you did the D? If you did it too soon that would effect it, but I imagine that since you are used to doing IV h you know that.

So unless you missed the shot or got bunk pills, I have no idea why you didn't feel it. I absolutely love them. The rush is even better than heroin. The only downside is that the high is short lived, especially when you get really strung out on them. At the end of my D run I would be high for about 30 minutes. Just not worht it.

And to whoever asked if IM to IV conversion is the same, no it isn't. IM would be closer to oral or nasal BA, not the same, but closer than to IV BA.

[Chemical_Boy]

All in all I wasn't too impressed with bangin' dillies. After all of the hype, I thought I was going to get my world rocked.

I think my problem may be that the rush that I compare everything too is cocaine IV. The rush from bangin' dope didn't really strike me as anything to write home about. Same for the rush for the Ds.

The first time I ever banged them, I did 1 M-4. Hardly felt anything and I hadn't used any opies for the 6 months prior. So I whacked 4 of the M-4s. Definitely hit pretty hard, and I was high, but it still didn't seem to be what the hype made it out to be. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that it sucked (I continue doing it:D) but it just didn't seem all that intense or super pleasure filled. Of course I feel the same way about dope. So really, I am thinking that I might not be impressed with anything that isn't IV coke.

Oh well.....

[Frank Zito]

I'll let you know on Tuesday when my dude gets filled.

[pun1178]

dude you need to heat the dillies m4s i found that heating them always keeping the spoon stired up till you drop the cotton and draw and wooooooo yum yum yum dam I crave dillies lol

[Frank Zito]

Absolutely do not heat the M4s.

[Shotalotofdopeamus]

They obviously won't work for you, send them to me. Grant: I agree with raisin. you should send me 10 for a proper analysis.:D But seriously though I have not the slightest clue why they did nothing for you. When i was heavy in OC, booting 160mg was a starting point for a decent day. 16mg of D had me floored. Even when I was shooting 8 chunky dimes a day the D still worked and it was my preference. Those were the good days. It is around here but I suddenly got too old (and my connects who had it on occasion are now dead) to know the 'kids' who can get them. And those prices you were paying are great. $1 per mg round here when I could find them.

[pun1178]

Two words kiddo HOP OFF

[Frank Zito]

Kiddo??? I been being pleasant. Luckily for your lame ass I'll keep with the niceties but I'm not gonna' let you give people bullshit ass advice especially when you got caught in a ridiculous lie and keep speaking on shit that you have no clue about. This isn't the place to run your mouth and act like you know everything about everything. Most of your posts are fucking non-sense gibberish and bragging and that shit is getting old. Some of your dumb fuck advice could get someone hurt. You need to stop trying to be a fucking hot shot. You just come across as some lame ass teeny bopper trying to make on line friends. If I remember correctly, you claim to have shot your first dilly a couple of months ago on this very board right after you sold your half pound of sufent...get fuckin' real.

The reason you don't heat Dillies or probably heat any pill that you're going to inject is because...Opioids/opiates are all extremely water soluble at any temperature. By applying heat you are doing nothing more than dissolving some wicked ass binders/fillers/time release mechanisms that will/can/could cause potentially serious or life threatening conditions.

You ever seen anything in any literature that states that hydromorph needs to be brought to a certain temperature to solublize(sp?) in H2O??? Or any opiate/opioid for that matter? If I shoot pills I use the coldest water possible thus minimizing the amount of other bullshit that gets pumped into my blood stream. I can't tell the difference in strength. This is a harm reduction website fuck face. Not a fucking entertainment board.

Well, I guess the politeness of this post went out the window. You need to check yourself.

[pun1178]

wow another pussy little wannabee look bro i know maybe when ur not huffing glue in ur parents basment or surfing the web for tylenol 3 dont fucking worry what Im doing and dont get mad cause You have no connects it will happend one day little man so like i said one last fuckin timE KIDDO HOP OFF

[Frank Zito]

Damn, are you mikells? I imagine that your time here is gonna' be pretty limited. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[pun1178]

And liitle guy 99.9 percent of people that ive pills from dillis to oxys heat before they draw so kick rocks and hit another forum

[SpecialGuy69]

Two words kiddo HOP OFFhey pun, nobody was being rude to you (until this). I really don't know what to think of you yet. I know if I was out of pills, I'd be pretty sick of reading all the awesome pharmies you are on every day. Don't take this the wrong way - I'm not telling you to fuck off or anything, just check the attitude at the door. Everyone around here has been trying extra hard to get along and be polite, and getting mad at someone just because they disagree with you on heating dilaudid is senseless.

So squash it.

[pun1178]

nah agent I been more than nice with this kid and he keeps riding my nuts all the time he started talking shit so dont lk at me and orange you know I have nothing but respect for you the site and all the mods

[Frank Zito]

So if 99.9% of the people you knew sucked dick for pills, you would too, huh? That's exactly the reason for this forum; To educate people so they don't fuck themselves up. Keep on keeping on. I hope you do figure out how to I.V. fent patches, that way we won't have to sit through your fucking non sense.

[SpecialGuy69]

wow another pussy little wannabee look bro i know maybe when ur not huffing glue in ur parents basment or surfing the web for tylenol 3 dont fucking worry what Im doing and dont get mad cause You have no connects it will happend one day little man so like i said one last fuckin timE KIDDO HOP OFF


And liitle guy 99.9 percent of people that ive pills from dillis to oxys heat before they draw so kick rocks and hit another forum
if its not too late, be an adult, go back and edit your posts- thks shit is stupid. you're mad because spin is giving his opinion on heating pills. He gave a reason why he thinks that- what's your reason? Stick to the facts and stay away from the name-calling.

[pun1178]

wow wishng my death what kiddo mommy didnt hug you this morning ....... and dont hate little guy one day you will make some sense in all your stupid rambling once again kick rocks Kid

[pun1178]

for you agent I'll squash it

[Frank Zito]

I'm not gonna' continue this non-sense 'cause other people shouldn't have to sit through this. You obviously don't respect his site, the mods, or admins whatsoever or else you wouldn't be posting all of the non-sense you do or trying to be a big shot. You would know that the I.V.ing fent thing has been beat to death by newbs like you and that the shit you have been doing won't be tolerated for too much longer.

I'm sure AO appreciates your blind admiration of his style, also.

[pun1178]

Keep flapping and keep sucking up and newbee dude u been here wat a month really go for a walk kiddo

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

at least he isn't talking about the "PIGGIE GUY"

[SpecialGuy69]

I'm sure AO appreciates your blind admiration of his style, also.certainly do!

pun- wanna know why you get so much hate? here's the deal: everyone thinks your full of shit about the half-key of sufent. We get a lot of bullshitters (like Floating) and we get pissed about that cause we respect the spot. Now if someone like WarmCyanide or ZodiacKiller or Inspektahdek told me they had a half key of sufent, I'd believe them because they built up CREDIBILITY before busting out a story like that.

For a first post, it takes a BIG leap of faith for anyone to believe that shit. MAYBE it's true (I highly doubt it) but even if it is, it wasn't a great idea to post about it in your first ten times. You coulda just said you had a GRAM and we might have believed you more readily. But telling us you have a quarter million dollars worth of dope on your first week in the board- would YOU believe a noob claiming that?

I told you already that I got called out for bullshit when i was a noob- I didn't have the grandeur you had- I just said I saw something when I really only heard it (a guy drawing blood to mix his shot) but just the same, I got called on it. I admitted I was wrong, and everyone let it go.

So up to you. If your gonna stick with the story, back it up and everyone will back off. If you were full of shit, say that and we'll forgive you.

And the piggy shit was creepy, too.

[RxQueen]

i'm gonna make one post here. i was just looking through this thread to see if there was any info i could add, but seeing all this shit-flinging that went on just last night, i'm stepping into my mod-shoes to make this comment.

pun... chill out. you do NOT have the right to start throwing insults at any other member (regardless of how long they've been here) just because they posted something you disagree with. it is uncalled for, and would probably earn you an infraction by some others, including myself on worse days. but instead, i'm gonna offer you another second chance with just this post as your warning. if, as you claim, someone has been "riding your nuts" all the time, just let the moderators know by reporting posts or PM's. i haven't seen anything reported about this, and haven't come across anything on the boards (other than this thread) that would indicate an ongoing problem.

everyone has bad days, but you're on thin ice with the insults here. if you do truly value your membership to this board, check the attitude and don't post if you don't have a worthwhile contribution. you're on the radar, and that's not a good thing.

and AO... thanks for being a good voice of reason old-schooler. it makes the job of moderating that much easier for us, when you members with some time under your belts can help to teach the newer kids.

~RxQueen, Moderator

[Brony]

wow another pussy little wannabee look bro i know maybe when ur not huffing glue in ur parents basment or surfing the web for tylenol 3 dont fucking worry what Im doing and dont get mad cause You have no connects it will happend one day little man so like i said one last fuckin timE KIDDO HOP OFF


Keep flapping and keep sucking up and newbee dude u been here wat a month really go for a walk kiddo

Speaking to any member (new or old) like this member did is a good way to get shit canned.

Just some words of advice.

Bronyraur
Admin

[Chemical_Boy]

nah agent I been more than nice with this kid and he keeps riding my nuts all the time he started talking shit so dont lk at me and orange you know I have nothing but respect for you the site and all the mods


So if 99.9% of the people you knew sucked dick for pills, you would too, huh? That's exactly the reason for this forum; To educate people so they don't fuck themselves up. Keep on keeping on. I hope you do figure out how to I.V. fent patches, that way we won't have to sit through your fucking non sense.


This thread had some potential to provide some decent info until this stuff started going back and forth.

2 whole pages of this stuff back and forth really lost interest quickly....

Thanks Agent, RX, and Bron for ttrying to get this back onto track!


So I have found myself having to heat these things to get a good liquid out of it. On the one hand I aam probably dissoving a bunch of shit that I ain't supposed to be jacking anyway, but I found that if I didn't heat it, then half of my liquid would end up soaked up into the glob of white morter that I am trying to fix.

Of course it would probably help if I had a bigger barrell. 1/2cc rigs just don't have enough volume capacity to draw the amount of H2O that you need to break down four of these little bastards. This was one time i would have like to have had my old BD3ml pins back, but I trashed too many veins with those fuckers....

All in all, I was able to get a good shot out of four of those M4s from mally, but I still expected more.

Seeing's how I haven't used any opiates for almost 8 months, it suprised me that I needed to go all the way right to 16mgs to get a "decent rush". Maybe I just still fucked it up, but I don't think so....

Am I the only one who feels this way?