Pure Kratom Alkolids

[johnny27]

Hi lads hope every one is well. Have ordered 1 gram of what the seller says is pure Kratom Alkoids, so its not just a 10x extract of what ever mixed with plant material (simlar to what they do to salvia) its pure alkolid powder. Would this susbstance by smokable? If so i figure it would be best vaporised and not burned. Snortable? Any suggestions on what is the best way to adminster these alkoloids? BTW i'll be sure to post up the results of this expereince. And i know, my spelling sucks :-)

[hovadagod]

I think you'll have to experiment...that stuff is pretty new and way expensive compared wiht pods.

[johnny27]

yea thats ture, just ordered it to try something new once in a while. Anyone ever tried it or what dosage of alkoloids would be dose?

[katomic]

not shure about smokabul (sp?) you might waste some but if your shooting 10mg? anyone?

[johnny27]

i've read a few posts here about kratom alkaloids, some ppl are paying $150 us dollars a gram. If this product is as good as claimed it is, it is very cheap, 1 gram costing 22.50 euro, or £15 GBP per gram. The picture i seen looks the part, its a brownish powder, not gooey like a resin extract. Can't wait till try it. I think i'll go ahead and smoke a little bit first, just to see what the dosage range is before i snort it. I would'nt think this product would be safe or not to IV. Very little is know about these kratom alkaloids, some drugs are safe to take other ways and the exact same drugs cannot be taken IV. think of codeine

[PainsMyName]

What exactly is or what does Kratom do? And how do i get some for myself to eperiment?

Shawn

[The Goodbye Girl]

I know of a few good sites to get Kratom from, the one I get mine from most is www.KronicKratom.com. He get's alot of orders every day so there's a high demand and at this time his site is under construction because he's out of all of his products but I e-mailed him and he says he will have more soon. He also offers a Crystalized Full Spectrum Extract which in my opinion is alot stronger then the 15x. In any case, you might want to check it out. I've been a long time customer.

[hovadagod]

I bet it's the standardized if it was so cheap. Look at the picture of the 15X standardized below.

http://www.thekratomking.com/t//K1.jpg (http://www.thekratomking.com/catalog/item/2431276/2174985.htm)

[The Goodbye Girl]

What's the difference between stardard and not? How much more is the other? I've only tried 15x one time.

[hovadagod]

It has the alkoloids extracted and then put on regular kratom uniformly. I've never tried it. I like bupe better.

[jacky]

I had about a half gram of this alkaloid extract.

I think this stuff would be great for a chemist or other person who is interested in creating mitragynine analogs.

trying the material I find that the whole half gram was not enough to produce a major effect, though I did get a bit dizzy, and was obviously under the effect of an equivalent I would say of about 50 grams of kratom., I snorted a few hundred milligrams, and even IVd a few hundred milligrams, snorting the material was actually stronger. the IVD material didnt go into solution easily, so I just ate the remainder. the actual amount of material that made it into my blood stream was probably less than a 100 milligrams when Ivd.

when I did this experiment I did have a good tolerance to kratom, about 30-50 grams a day.
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looking over chronic kratom .com I found the site was down, and I couldnt find any prices. I noticed they are selling kratom that has now been discontinued by the company selling most of the worlds commercial kratom. be careful when paying for this superkratom other than the 15x. the company discontinued selling it because other companies were passing off regular kratom as the super, the only thing a person needs to do is put it in a mortar and pestle and grind grind grind, and then you have a product that passes as something besides what it is, regular commercial kratom. the producing company in bali discontinued selling the "super" and "extra" strength varieties a few months ago, so any of the companies still selling it are just trying to get rid of OLDER product. I can see why people are taken in by the names, but in my experience the super and extra strengths dont seem that much stronger, surely not twice the strength of commercial kratom

mr kratom. com gives the alkaloid contents of these other kratom "strengths", I know we can trust these numbers, as the person who did the math is a person with thousands of dollars of chemical equipment plus the knowhow. what I debate in all this is that kratom contains MANY other alkaloids, and no information is given as to how much of the ACTIVE alkaloids are actually increasing, if at all. from my experience I would say that the material is a little stonger in mitragynine and 7 hydroxy"". these other kratom alkaloids may even contain an opiate antagonist.

I have tried the 15x extract on the market, this extract is produced in china via super critical co2 extraction, which is done cold. I think this is the best kratom extract out there, perhaps other types using a heat process or pH /solvent manipulation destroy something important in the mix, cause I have only tried one other kratom extract that was near as potent as this 15x stuff, ( a three time refluxed ethanol extract of 100 grams of commercial bali). the 15x material made me a bit uncomfortable when I took a whole gram, which is understandable as I only take 4-8 grams at a time of the commercial leaf.

kratom is amazing stuff, we are lucky to have access finally to this material. the prices on kratom have dropped SIGNIFICANTLY over the last 4 years.

hopefully the chinese will catch on to the powers of this product and starting producing it by the tons, if they did the companies that hold almost monopoly status in kratom production would have some further price cutting to accomplish. a 75% increase in the price of commercial kratom took effect months ago, but this was long after kratoms debut price in america 4 years ago(rough estimate) at almost 400$ per pound

[johnny27]

Hi guys, just abit of an update on the experiment. Went thru 1 gram of kratom alkoloids in 2 days, the alkoloids were effective, tried smoking, snorting and oral use, it smoked fine on top of tinfoil, but the best way i found to administer the stuff was intranasal. To be honest, i found making tea from normal kratom leaf was alot more effective, the extract was mostly just the speedy effect and produced only a small range of effect which lasted only 1/2 an hour. The normal leaf tea produced a much fuller stone, and excellent euphoria, quite simlar to when i first started using codeine many years ago and the euphoria was like no other, excellent. I would compare the difference between alkoloid and leaf tea like the difference between using only morphine and using poppy tea, morphine is'nt bad but the tea gives a much overall better high, its like morphine is only one ingredient but poppy tea is the whole casarol.

[jacky]

yeah johnny, I agree with you, intranasal is the most effective route with this material, and it does seem to create a similiar effect in the two of us, that being that we notice a mellower effect from the pure alkaloids compared to the whole leaf.

I am interested to learn about any analog research that is being done with this material, I know that the material is being worked with, just not any specifics.

I think this alkaloid extract is important for study, if the material is less potent for any reason perhaps this will lead to the discovery of some unknown mechanics of how kratom works as a complex mixture of components. looking at some of the past data I think it is safe to say that mitragynine and 7 hydroxy mitragynine may not be the only active component of kratom. further study of mitragyna javanica might spotlight an alkaloid or compound that kratom and m javanica share......

[johnny27]

Yeah i definetly agree, i think there's more to kratom than just the basic alkoloids including mitragynine and 7 hydroxy mitragynine.

[jacky]

a reliable research materials vendor has made avialable two new products.....98% pure mitragynine, and a 25 milligram 7 hydroxy mitragynine/50 milligram mitragynine mixture.

both are expensive, but are novel mitragyna products new to the research market.

[Canis aureus]

Hey Jacky,

isn't it yet 50/50...?

[Zoop]

There is a Japanese research group doing a lot of work on kratom alkaloids, principally the main two - mitrag. and 7-hydroxy-mitrag. and also the psuedoxinole form...

They derivatized mitrag. - acetylated it at the methoxy position (I think it's the "9" position) and it was inactive, so they concluded that the methoxy group is critical for activity, which would be unusual from the point of view of traditional P. somniferum alkaloids, where the HYDROXY group is regarded as necessary for activity - codeine to morphine, heroin to monoacetylmorphine biotransformations necessary for activity.

I got off the 'krat THANK GOD! back in Nov. last year... it's really addictive. What a miserable existance! I was always waiting for the mailman or FEDEX! Not to mention racking up a fat-ass credit card bill every month!

Ugh!

[Canis aureus]

Yes,

must be horrble adiction, because of its duration and prizey.

[stvip]

a reliable research materials vendor has made avialable two new products.....98% pure mitragynine, and a 25 milligram 7 hydroxy mitragynine/50 milligram mitragynine mixture.

I see. I guess Mark (MJB) was getting sick and tired of people having a legal opioid to use and decided to stand up and do something about it. Kudos.

[Canis aureus]

That was it probably... yeah, sorry jacky, it is 25 and 50mg's

[Canis aureus]

I want to give try to that 25/50 7-OH with all ways... It could be ordered in solution 10 ml (if one puts there water and then evaporates it should stay soluble... I'm just thinking with alphabets, sorry ;)