Have a script- sniffing your IR pills- legal?

[SpecialGuy69]

If you have a legit prescription for an instant release med like Roxicodone or MS IR, is it legal to sniff your own pills? Lets even say your sniffing the recommended oral dose. And your prescription says something like "take one tab as needed for pain" - it doesn't say SWALLOW anywhere on the bottle. So, what do you think?

I'm not talking about continuous release products (like oxycontin) where the packaging and labeling specifically prohibits crushing/splitting tablets. I'm talking about stuff like roxicodone- where it specifically says in the literature that you may crush a tablet if you have difficulties swallowing pills.

Maybe in a situation like this:
Once, I was in a bar, crushing up two of my roxi 30's (legit, recommended oral dose) and some dipshit walked right into my bathroom stall as I was about to sniff. Fortunately I didn't have the bill to my nose. But what if that guy called the cops, and they came out, searched me, realized the only thing I had on me was my prescribed meds?

[ein0606]

i thought most bottles if not all says if pill is broken or crushed dipose of immediately. i bet if said that they would try to do something.

but i cant really help u.

[WarmCyanide]

you mean, theoretically, as if a cop was watching you do it?


check this out

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=11970

[pizzaboy]

I was recently told that any method of ingestion other than what it says on the bottle is illegal. The person who told me this is uberparanoid though...but given his recent legal troubles he may be on to something.

I dunno...this dude fixed like 30 blues the day before yesterday all at once...I've never seen anyone go through a bottle of pills like he can.

[OxyDust]

No it is definitely NOT LEGAL! Even though their your pills it is still illegal to sniff them. If a cop found you crushing up your pills with a rolled up dollar bill in your hand you will go to jail! Pills are made to be taken orally.

[GoddessofRATs]

I believe it is Illegal. I think Pizza boy is right. Any form of ingestion other than the prescribed ROA is illegal. I'm not sure one can be prosecuted though. One could easily say the pill was damaged etc!! I don't know though... maybe one could be prosecuted. Depends on how you were caught and who caught you i guess.

GOR

[limitless_euphoria]

If you have a legit prescription for an instant release med like Roxicodone or MS IR, is it legal to sniff your own pills? Lets even say your sniffing the recommended oral dose. And your prescription says something like "take one tab as needed for pain" - it doesn't say SWALLOW anywhere on the bottle. So, what do you think?

Well I dunno AO, by that same token, is it legal to plug it? What if you're feeling nauseated and you feel taking it P.O. will cause you to yack so P.R. is the only other way??? There's all kinds of hypotheticals... and fortunately it's not like George Orwell's 1984—YET!

So, I would think in the privacy of your own living space what you do is between you and the four walls that enclose you. I mean, just because I personally have not heard of anyone getting prosecuted for using an alternate ROA for their meds does not mean they wouldn't and ultimately couldn't succeed. Obviously it's best to be discreet, duh! :)

Now, if the doc finds out, (which I would have no idea how that could happen besides a concerned friend or relative ratting or you ratting on yourself) he/she could stop Rx'ing the IR meds which I suppose who is to stop that from happening?

[GoddessofRATs]

EL you raise a good point there!!!

GOR

[SpecialGuy69]

you mean, theoretically, as if a cop was watching you do it?


check this out

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=11970Yeah but he's talking about needles and crushing CR meds which I know is illegal because the packaging prohibits it. I'm talking about meds where the packaging says its okay to crush. The packaging makes no mention of insufflating the crushed powder though. Gray area?

See the edit of original post for explanation of the situation.

Well I dunno AO, by that same token, is it legal to plug it? What if you're feeling nauseated and you feel taking it P.O. will cause you to yack so P.R. is the only other way??? There's all kinds of hypotheticals... and fortunately it's not like George Orwell's 1984—YET!

So, I would think in the privacy of your own living space what you do is between you and the four walls that enclose you. I mean, I have not heard of anyone getting prosecuted for using an alternate ROA for their meds. Now, if the doc finds out, (which I would have no idea how that could/would happen besides a concerned friend or relative ratting or you ratting on yourself) he/she could stop Rx'ing the IR meds which I suppose who is to stop that from happening?I'm 99% sure the packaging of roxicodone says it can be administered up the stinkhole.

[RobOC]

I am almost positive Johnny q. Law would find a problem with it, seeing as you are using it in a manner other than the way indicated by the prescribing doc. Kind of like how on the back of a can of spray paint it says that, "it is a felony to use this product in a manner inconsistent with it's labeling."However, just to play devil's advocate, the last time I was in treatment there was a dude who preferred to plug his Suboxone and the clinical technicians or whatever it was they were had no problem with it. If that's not off label use then I don't know what is, nowhere on a bottle of sub does it say to stick one tablet up your ass daily, but hey, to each his own.
Unless you get caught red handed railing one up in your car or something I imagine it would be pretty hard to catch any criminal charges. It would probably still be difficult even under those circumstances.

[strikks]

i think if your bottle says take one pill twice daily you are allowed to do legal any roa if it is timed release you would be abusing your medication definatly illegal and against docs orders but if it is instant release and it does not say specificaly on your bottle BY MOUTH you are cool seriously i am alllowed to put mine in applesauce just not my cr pills only ir and my bottle dont say by mouth!!!! it says take one tablet every 4 hours


where do they want me to take it??? UP MY NOSE?ARM?


they are my pills and as long as i take my 460mgs per day i should be able to put it up my ass if i wanted too!!!!

[Princess]

Unless it specifically says on the bottle "by mouth", I think you could get around it in a court of law.

However, if the doctor knew the pills were being used this way, I'm pretty sure you'd be cut off.

[WarmCyanide]

check this out AO:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/drugs-alcohol/mg19025544.200-abuse-of-prescription-drugs-fuelled-by-online-recipes.html


cant find legality of it, but do some diggin

[$LOADIE*JONES'IN$]

ALL I KNOW IS IS THAT IF A COP SEE'S YOU SNORT A PILL YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME SHIT LOL;)

[kyuss]

check this out AO:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/drugs-alcohol/mg19025544.200-abuse-of-prescription-drugs-fuelled-by-online-recipes.html


cant find legality of it, but do some diggin

That sounds like a great site,
I'd like to be a member :)

[SpecialGuy69]

That sounds like a great site,
I'd like to be a member :)i wonder who marvin is...

[limitless_euphoria]

EL you raise a good point there!!!

GOR

Who told you my Español name, mang? Day call me "el L/E."

The translation would be something along the lines of "Euforia Ilimitada" so I s'pose dat'd be "E/I." :D

BTW, just so my joking around is not misconstrued as racist rhetoric, I'm not ranking on hispanics at all. I studied Spanish for four years in H.S. and I'm bored and fucking around, daz all.

[Pandora]

I think this might just be a gray area. And if anyone DID try to prosecute you, you would have a pretty decent defense. Nowhere does it indicate ROA, and it is not releasing any more of the drug into your system. However, you're spiking your blood plasma level more...maybe?

IDK...this is interesting to consider and hear everyone's thoughts on. Good one, AO!

[Venus]

I'm thinking if someone (either called the cops or was a cop) walked into a public restroom and saw you about to snort some white powder up your nose with a rolled dollar bill... your going to jail. No if, ands or buts about it. I've always wanted to say that.. heh

Sure you would have a good defense, but that would be after the night in jail, after posting bond, etc. A hassle at the least.

[kyuss]

i wonder who marvin is...

Do you mean Marlon?
And legal or not
I'm gonna snort.

[GoddessofRATs]

I guess i am pshycic!!!!

LOL

GOR

Who told you my Español name, mang? Day call me "el L/E."

The translation would be something along the lines of "Euforia Ilimitada" so I s'pose dat'd be "E/I." :D

BTW, just so my joking around is not misconstrued as racist rhetoric, I'm not ranking on hispanics at all. I studied Spanish for four years in H.S. and I'm bored and fucking around, daz all.

[SpecialGuy69]

Do you mean Marlon?
And legal or not
I'm gonna snort.
yes. marlon.


I was wondering about this because after that idiot walked in on me prepping, my first instinct was to crack his head open on the sink and run, but I just said "get the fuck outta here" and nothing happened. But if the worst went down... I agree with Venus - you would get arrested, and probably charged, but you would not be found guilty unless you had a pathetic-ass attorney.

[kyuss]

yes. marlon.


I was wondering about this because after that idiot walked in on me prepping, my first instinct was to crack his head open on the sink and run, but I just said "get the fuck outta here" and nothing happened. But if the worst went down... I agree with Venus - you would get arrested, and probably charged, but you would not be found guilty unless you had a pathetic-ass attorney.

They'd probably contact
your doctor and fuck with
your script,damn pricks.

[Suboxstitute]

I'm still worried if I can take the tag off my pillow yet - looks like some REAL serious shit could go down if I take it off.....

That wording on the label could really freak someone out.....if they were already paranoid...

[youwonhundred]

Yeah man, you gotta watch out for the tag on the mattress. Them fuckers don't play around. Serious shit can and will happen if you disregard the warnings.

Anyway, a few years back (five or six, I don't remember exactly) I was running around with this chick. She didn't do drugs (I need to find a good woman who likes the opiates as much as I do, and everything would be lovely) well, I was hospitalized for the leg, same shit just worse than it is now, and when released, I was given Dilaudid 4mg's q 6 hours, and lovenox injections (a blood thinner). Well, being the dope addict that I am, when I realized I had dillies and pins, in the same box, that the hospital had kindly filled for me, I was happier than a pig in shit, as I'm sure you can imagine. Well, I did the natural thing when I got home, and fixed a couple. Sweet relief. oh baby! At any rate, this went on for a while, till the chick in question got bent out of shape cause I was "misusing" my meds. Long story short, the fucking cunt called the pigs, because I was misusing my meds, in my own home. They showed up, gave me a bunch of shit, blew smoke, yadda yadda, but eventually left because there was no proof that I was misusing my meds, other than the word of a crazy bitch. I had a script for the pins, and I had a script for the dillaudids, so unless the pigs caught me IN THE ACT, there wasn't much could be done.

The one upside to that experience was learning what a fucking nutter the woman in question was, sending her packing, and getting right back to abusing my lovely dilaudids.

[GoddessofRATs]

Yea, i always wondered that. How come your not supposed to take those mattress tags off?????

GOR

I'm still worried if I can take the tag off my pillow yet - looks like some REAL serious shit could go down if I take it off.....

That wording on the label could really freak someone out.....if they were already paranoid...

[Princess]

Are you fucking kidding?? Get me her name and address....
Seriously, some of you guys just need to pick better women!!


Yeah man, you gotta watch out for the tag on the mattress. Them fuckers don't play around. Serious shit can and will happen if you disregard the warnings.

Anyway, a few years back (five or six, I don't remember exactly) I was running around with this chick. She didn't do drugs (I need to find a good woman who likes the opiates as much as I do, and everything would be lovely) well, I was hospitalized for the leg, same shit just worse than it is now, and when released, I was given Dilaudid 4mg's q 6 hours, and lovenox injections (a blood thinner). Well, being the dope addict that I am, when I realized I had dillies and pins, in the same box, that the hospital had kindly filled for me, I was happier than a pig in shit, as I'm sure you can imagine. Well, I did the natural thing when I got home, and fixed a couple. Sweet relief. oh baby! At any rate, this went on for a while, till the chick in question got bent out of shape cause I was "misusing" my meds. Long story short, the fucking cunt called the pigs, because I was misusing my meds, in my own home. They showed up, gave me a bunch of shit, blew smoke, yadda yadda, but eventually left because there was no proof that I was misusing my meds, other than the word of a crazy bitch. I had a script for the pins, and I had a script for the dillaudids, so unless the pigs caught me IN THE ACT, there wasn't much could be done.

The one upside to that experience was learning what a fucking nutter the woman in question was, sending her packing, and getting right back to abusing my lovely dilaudids.

[youwonhundred]

Are you fucking kidding?? Get me her name and address....
Seriously, some of you guys just need to pick better women!!

The name and address part.. umm, I honestly don't remember? This was a few years ago, and I've slept since then. I will agree with the needing to pick better women comment. Hell, my current one actually told me the other day, when I asked her to reach up and turn the light on, that I had two perfectly good legs, and to do it myself. If I could get out of this situation, I would, but options are kind of nonexistent atm.

[allyouneedislove]

The one upside to that experience was learning what a fucking nutter the woman in question was, sending her packing, and getting right back to abusing my lovely dilaudids.


i dig a happy ending. =] =] =]

[skank69]

if you were sniff'in your pills would'nt the doctor cut you off cold turkey :(

[jimmyfingers]

this is a real good thread
i talked to one of my law professors today (he's a real cool liberal type dude)
and asked him this question
he said it depends on the cop first of all
but most likely you would be thrown out and given a disorderly conduct citation and free to go (i know a dc in pa cost 275) being in a bar is mostly the reason for this
ie your drunk and your about to snort something in the bathroom

He did say they could arrest you and take you to jail, but the chances of being charged with anything are slim to none.
He said if it had already been crushed up they have a right to take it and get it tested for cocaine or anything else, but this all depends on how the cop wants to handle it.
and if it test negative they probably would let you go with a citation
they usually can test it on site instead of sending it to a lab

this is a really good thread mostly because if you get a big script of roxis at the bottom is going to be some pieces and a lil powder, but the bottle does not say dont break, crush, etc

hes a general practice lawyer so he does a little of everything but he mostly handles child custody cases family court bs

[SpecialGuy69]

this is a real good thread
i talked to one of my law professors today (he's a real cool liberal type dude)
and asked him this question
he said it depends on the cop first of all
but most likely you would be thrown out and given a disorderly conduct citation and free to go (i know a dc in pa cost 275) being in a bar is mostly the reason for this
ie your drunk and your about to snort something in the bathroom

He did say they could arrest you and take you to jail, but the chances of being charged with anything are slim to none.
He said if it had already been crushed up they have a right to take it and get it tested for cocaine or anything else, but this all depends on how the cop wants to handle it.
and if it test negative they probably would let you go with a citation
they usually can test it on site instead of sending it to a lab

this is a really good thread mostly because if you get a big script of roxis at the bottom is going to be some pieces and a lil powder, but the bottle does not say dont break, crush, etc

hes a general practice lawyer so he does a little of everything but he mostly handles child custody cases family court bsgood thing i didnt opt for the malicious wounding. Had that charge once, cost $10k to shake that one.

$275 for a disorderly? Shit in washington dc a D/C or drunk in public is $40 + 57 court fees. In VA it's $109.

Even the corner boys rarely get locked up! DC's pretty slack.

[Princess]

good thing i didnt opt for the malicious wounding. Had that charge once, cost $10k to shake that one.

$275 for a disorderly? Shit in washington dc a D/C or drunk in public is $40 + 57 court fees. In VA it's $109.

Even the corner boys rarely get locked up! DC's pretty slack.


Malicious wounding?? Can you elaborate?

I've NEVER had a traffic ticket or been arrested (well, almost twice). Can you believe that?

[SpecialGuy69]

Malicious wounding?? Can you elaborate?

I've NEVER had a traffic ticket or been arrested (well, almost twice). Can you believe that?Basically, if the fight is over and you dont stop. In my case all charges were dropped so I can talk about it. Some dumbass threw a beer bottle at my car. I was driving drunk though a party but still I dont appreciate that shit. Anyways, I had this reallly grimey sexy ass ride-or-die bitch and she jumped out the car and beat down bottle-thrower's girl. Then she beat down one of bottle-thrower's girlfriend's friends. Then bottle thrower wound up like he was gonna punch my chick and i went nuts. he had a broken jaw, and part of the charges being dropped was i gave him $2000 "insurance deductable". We're friends now.

Thats the abbreviated version. I never tell the WHOLE story unless I'm with someone who was there because everyone would call bullshit. Its that weird. My best friend, who got my back that night and saved me from being murdered for sure (bottle thrower was the party host, i was an outsider) died in September, 5 days before my birthday. This is the first time I've posted about Cliff. Lets never bring him up again, ok. good.

[Princess]

DAMN. Sorry I asked...

[SpecialGuy69]

its all good. charges dropped. and he's the one missing teef, not me. moving along...

[robojunkie]

Very interesting post agent O, that's a fucking tough one to figure...I think there are a lot of variables here, but if we stick with the bathroom at the bar, you have now "tampered" with the federally controlled substance, and just as is the case with C-IIs, like when you have them past script time expiring, they are no longer "legally" yours (if they were, imagine, one dilaudid script for 120 qid and you'd be set for life possession wise assuming ya never carried more that that and you never lost that bottle). So the legal right to possess has an expiration date that requires renewing, the FDA approved ROA that is part of the clinical trials used for gaining approval, in most cases does not include insufflation. The tough part is what would the charge be? Like you said, disorderly conduct? Or far worse, federal offense of tampering with prescription medication?

Ironically, I think one would stand a far better chance at acquittal or outright walking if they had dilaudid crushed up in the spoon, in an amount that corresponded to a single dose of the script they are on, because IV administration is an FDA approved ROA for hydromorphone. However, insuflation is not approved for virtually any C-II unless they've come out with an inhaler of oxymorphone that I didn't hear about. Fucked up thing is I'd bet you're better off banging your one time oxymorphone script that you are CWE'ing and sniffing some codeine (why, but not the point) from the T-3's. Not only that, but in some (or perhaps many) states, and I'm not sure about the feds, repackaging or altering or converting (and I'm not talking chemically) or even initially packaging a given C-II into a non-FDA approved ROA, dosage, packaging style, ratio and list of inactives or dosing frequency can actually be charged with manufacture of a controlled substance!

So, there's a lot of gray area, but in my opinion, and also to a lesser degree in my experience, what it really comes down to is what the cop at hand is thinking about and what he thinks is going on, your attitude, hell, your skin color/age/gender/style of dress/etc more than anything else. Good thread though man, got me thinkin'.

[SpecialGuy69]

Very interesting post agent O, that's a fucking tough one to figure...I think there are a lot of variables here, but if we stick with the bathroom at the bar, you have now "tampered" with the federally controlled substance, and just as is the case with C-IIs, like when you have them past script time expiring, they are no longer "legally" yours (if they were, imagine, one dilaudid script for 120 qid and you'd be set for life possession wise assuming ya never carried more that that and you never lost that bottle). So the legal right to possess has an expiration date that requires renewing, the FDA approved ROA that is part of the clinical trials used for gaining approval, in most cases does not include insufflation. The tough part is what would the charge be? Like you said, disorderly conduct? Or far worse, federal offense of tampering with prescription medication?

Ironically, I think one would stand a far better chance at acquittal or outright walking if they had dilaudid crushed up in the spoon, in an amount that corresponded to a single dose of the script they are on, because IV administration is an FDA approved ROA for hydromorphone. However, insuflation is not approved for virtually any C-II unless they've come out with an inhaler of oxymorphone that I didn't hear about. Fucked up thing is I'd bet you're better off banging your one time oxymorphone script that you are CWE'ing and sniffing some codeine (why, but not the point) from the T-3's. Not only that, but in some (or perhaps many) states, and I'm not sure about the feds, repackaging or altering or converting (and I'm not talking chemically) or even initially packaging a given C-II into a non-FDA approved ROA, dosage, packaging style, ratio and list of inactives or dosing frequency can actually be charged with manufacture of a controlled substance!

So, there's a lot of gray area, but in my opinion, and also to a lesser degree in my experience, what it really comes down to is what the cop at hand is thinking about and what he thinks is going on, your attitude, hell, your skin color/age/gender/style of dress/etc more than anything else. Good thread though man, got me thinkin'.
You got ME thinkin- I was reasonably sure this is legal enough, and I sniff my pills like its legal. I'm discrete, but if someone sees me, fuck em. In Virginia, where I live, I'm more careful, because the cops are pricks. But in DC, where I work and spend most of my time, I dont give a fuck- I'll snort it in my car with pedestrians all around- if theres a cop, ill give them the courtesy of leaning over a bit in my seat.

That makes me think though- DC is so grimey- you can do anything basically its like Tijuana in that way- if your local and follow the big rules (no murders, no rapes, no IV in public, no pissing on cop cars) you will never get popped. People stole the rims off the police tactical bus thingy once- I bought dope right in front of it twice and nothing happened.

Back to the topic- I didnt think about all that misuse shit- I was thinking more along the lines that the packaging doesn't specifically prohibit sniffing (like OC packaging) and also its IR medicine anyways so your not defeating anything or modifying anything, really. Fuck em.

[Cherry's Jubilee]

So I was thinking about this because I'm getting my refills today and I'm probably going to head down to the local church playground to sit at a picnic table and snort them all up. Kiddin. It does almost seem like an intentional oversight though, considering the fact that little bags of silicon say DO NOT EAT, laundry detergent says do not drink, and candles say do not display burning candle in a basket of sticks and leaves. Which implies that we're not smart enough to assume that we probably shouldn't hang out at wal-mart eating the bags of silicon out of all the backpacks, but when it comes to prescribing opiates to junkies, why in the world would we need to be specific? They're not going to snort it. Which makes me think that maybe it is legal or they would sure as hell specify it.

[pizzaboy]

Well.

It's only illegal if you get caught. And...getting caught depends on how careful you are and to some extent where you are.

AO indicated that in Virginia cops are pricks...the same applies to Maryland. Delaware doesn't seem all that bad so far...but I've been careful. I don't know a lot about the urban areas...but down on the shores of Maryland, Delaware and Virginia (Delmarva) there seems to be a lot more cops than people...Wicomico County is especially hot.

I got a call last night from my boy who just got out of lockup after 25 days. He is biased, of course, but I had to listen to a 30 minute speech (while sick) about what not to do. I took it to heart...he meant well.

Just be careful, no matter what you do.

[ryan5892]

ALL I KNOW IS IS THAT IF A COP SEE'S YOU SNORT A PILL YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME SHIT LOL;)


word

[OxyContinuously]

If you have a legit prescription for an instant release med like Roxicodone or MS IR, is it legal to sniff your own pills? Lets even say your sniffing the recommended oral dose. And your prescription says something like "take one tab as needed for pain" - it doesn't say SWALLOW anywhere on the bottle. So, what do you think?

I'm not talking about continuous release products (like oxycontin) where the packaging and labeling specifically prohibits crushing/splitting tablets. I'm talking about stuff like roxicodone- where it specifically says in the literature that you may crush a tablet if you have difficulties swallowing pills.

Maybe in a situation like this:
Once, I was in a bar, crushing up two of my roxi 30's (legit, recommended oral dose) and some dipshit walked right into my bathroom stall as I was about to sniff. Fortunately I didn't have the bill to my nose. But what if that guy called the cops, and they came out, searched me, realized the only thing I had on me was my prescribed meds?


agent O thats a good quest...i think thats a "gray area" so to speak...here's my take on it.

1) the doc prescribes it so obviously it is legal to possess, no problem

2) since it is legal, u can have it on you anywhere, as long as it's in the bottle w/ the label

3) we all know that pills are meant to be swallowed, but i do not know of any legislation making it a violation or a crime to crush and snort such pills...

4) as far as cops and shit busting you, i would have to lean toward "yes" reason being is that they most likely have something like "misuse of medication" or something like that...see what gets me though, is that the meds are YOURS LEGALLY...Oh shit, here's a good one: since it's your shit and its legally prescribed by a doc, and maybe the bottle just says "take two tablets twice a day as needed" but doesnt say HOW to take them, this one's tough...my educated guess is that if a cop or whatever did witness you sniffing it, maybe u would not get the possession charge, but you can be damn sure you would get "public intoxication" or "disturbing the peace" or "disorderly conduct" u know something along those lines...

5) and u know what else? u can be sure that the cop, or whomever would absolutely bring you in to the station, and if nothing else, he/she would call ur doc (and shit bro; doc's info/phone number is on the bottle :-( so u can bet the cop would call him and let him know what ur doing...so maybe u would be let go w/ no LEGAL repercussions, but it's my feeling that once doc found out, obviously u would be cut off, and blacklisted, so that would blow pretty badly in its own regard...)


that's my take, but that's a good one, AO; i really can't give u a more clear answer than that, just because the whole "area" from a legal standpoint is very unclear, know what i mean??

best advice: if u wanna snort, by all means do it, but i would say do so privately, either in the crib, or if in public, then in the bathroom stall w/ the door locked...and dont "cut lines" u know? try this: take whatever pill u intend on snorting, and put it into a baggie, crush w/ two quarters, massage till fine, then sniff right out of the bag, flush the bag, and ur done!! the whole "cutting lines" process just makes u more vulnerable to some fucko walking in and minding ur business...this way, ur using the baggie, if some fool DOES walk in on you, you can either stash the baggie with the shit in it, or if u have it crushed already, sniff and flush, no harm done...flush the straw too...if ur cutting shit for example, and s/o walks in, u may not have enough time to stash everything...ie: razor blade or card, straw, the drug itself, u know?? the baggie idea is fast, easy and *almost* foolproof, u know??

peace bro
oxy

[SpecialGuy69]

I think I'll go test this theory on the white house lawn. brb.

If they arrest me, I'll start screaming about freedom and the constitution and the ACLU and shit. scuse me for a minute.

[upstate_007]

AO on the lawn sniffing a Roxi...

GW watching from the front window of the White House twiddling his nose a little getting all nostalgic for his romance with the booger sugar.

[Nate]

Personally, wether it's legal or not, sniffing any pill infront of a cop is not something I would want to do....Period. Just keep to your business in the comfort of home, or if at the very least just go to a public bathroom. Most of us get busted in the act when we are parked somewhere, just don't sniff shit in your car and your 100% never gonna get caught in the act by a pig.

[SpecialGuy69]

Personally, wether it's legal or not, sniffing any pill infront of a cop is not something I would want to do....Period. Just keep to your business in the comfort of home, or if at the very least just go to a public bathroom. Most of us get busted in the act when we are parked somewhere, just don't sniff shit in your car and your 100% never gonna get caught in the act by a pig.Yeah in theory that makes total sense. In day-to-day practice, its hard to live by. I posed the question more as a thought exercise than anything else, and the results are pretty interesting. Obviously most people think they're fucked if they are caught in the act.

So, Nate- you think its any different in Canada? Would the cops up there be easier on you for something like that?

[Nate]

Yeah in theory that makes total sense. In day-to-day practice, its hard to live by. I posed the question more as a thought exercise than anything else, and the results are pretty interesting. Obviously most people think they're fucked if they are caught in the act.

So, Nate- you think its any different in Canada? Would the cops up there be easier on you for something like that?

It's kind of hard to answer since I have no legal scripts. But in terms of getting caught in the act, I guess it really depends on how you handle the situation and what kind of cop your dealing with. I have had at least 3 cases where I have been booked smoking weed in a the car, twice while parked, once actually while I was on the highway :o. Played it cool, everytime they let me off - had a cop guest speaker that told us if you don't treat the cop like a jackass when it comes to small amounts of weed, they can't be bothered charging you and doing the 3 hours of paperwork that goes along with it + the fact that the accused just walks out with a fine anyways.

There was only 1 occasion (once again in the car) where I was getting ready to blow an 80 in the passanger side of my buddys car when a cop puller up right beside us. I am almost sure they saw me do it, but I just acted like nothing happend, never heard a word. As long as you don't have like 50 80s on you, but rather just a small amount, it is at the cops discretion.

don't get me wrong, it all depends on the cop, ive met a few cool cops, but far too many pricks. I be as nice as possible, esspecially since I know its up to their discretion.

[CIIORNOTHING]

I recall reading somewhere along the way of my many arrests something about "the purposeful and deliberant misuse in a manner inconsistent with its labeling" blah blah blah. I think it is written somewhere that it is not legal to use Rx drugs in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. I think I read that somwhere anyway...

[strikks]

if you were in pa and in your car,and it was legal they could and would get you for DUI (gray area):p

i agree with cIIor nothing "a manner inconsistent with its labeling" like on cops when they catch the mexicans sniffin spray paint they get arrested and it is spray paint!!!! so yer fukd!!!

[Oakleyskier]

You got ME thinkin- I was reasonably sure this is legal enough, and I sniff my pills like its legal. I'm discrete, but if someone sees me, fuck em. In Virginia, where I live, I'm more careful, because the cops are pricks. But in DC, where I work and spend most of my time, I dont give a fuck- I'll snort it in my car with pedestrians all around- if theres a cop, ill give them the courtesy of leaning over a bit in my seat.

That makes me think though- DC is so grimey- you can do anything basically its like Tijuana in that way- if your local and follow the big rules (no murders, no rapes, no IV in public, no pissing on cop cars) you will never get popped. People stole the rims off the police tactical bus thingy once- I bought dope right in front of it twice and nothing happened.

Back to the topic- I didnt think about all that misuse shit- I was thinking more along the lines that the packaging doesn't specifically prohibit sniffing (like OC packaging) and also its IR medicine anyways so your not defeating anything or modifying anything, really. Fuck em.

you know your city my man, but that seems rather careless and dumb? to each his own. i'm just from the school of thought, of why even risk that, you can always just wait until the cost is clear for the 10 seconds it would take to lean over and sniff./

[dharma bum]

I think special guy left the building mang. Look at the dates.

[Oakleyskier]

I think special guy left the building mang. Look at the dates.


:) hahaha you're right. i forgot that threads get bumped with every new vote on the poll. silly me.

[Larry]

I know if they found any snorting stuff like straws (w/residue) or anything, right there is paraphernalia, Snorting your pills IR-ER WHATEVER is considered abusing them I dont know the legal action that could come but im sure a paraphernalia charge plus a call to your DR, which no doubt will get you cut off right on the spot.

[pain-pateint]

Had a case similar to this about five years. Woman, well known to LEO as an addict, was caught in a hotel room they raided crushing up a Roxicodone. There was no evidence of attempted IV use or of insufflation and she claimed she had a sore throat for which the Roxi was Rx'd (and she had the appropriate RX bottle). Case was dismissed on motion, and I referred her to a colleague who specializes in suing LE and prisons. She got a nice settelment since she was held in jail for over a day --- $24,000.00 and I got a nice little referral fee out of it.

I think the cases inolving Oxy's, etc., are different and I am quite UNSURE of what the outcome would be.

[SHELLEY]

Had a case similar to this about five years. Woman, well known to LEO as an addict, was caught in a hotel room they raided crushing up a Roxicodone. There was no evidence of attempted IV use or of insufflation and she claimed she had a sore throat for which the Roxi was Rx'd (and she had the appropriate RX bottle). Case was dismissed on motion, and I referred her to a colleague who specializes in suing LE and prisons. She got a nice settelment since she was held in jail for over a day --- $24,000.00 and I got a nice little referral fee out of it.

I think the cases inolving Oxy's, etc., are different and I am quite UNSURE of what the outcome would be.

hey i had to say something because it bugs me every time i see a post by you
do you know that you spelled "patient" wrong on your screen name?
or is it pateint on purpose?