Cleanest High?

[Levity]

In your opinions, what provides the cleanest high?

For example - for me at least. I think oral hydrocodone is the cleanest high.
I get a great mood lift, some relaxation, some sedation, and a bit of energy. It's euphoric, relaxing, and there's little to no crash. Plus it lasts a good long while, has a gradual come-up, and a gentle let down.

On the opposite end, I think morphine (orally - a waste, I know - at least) is the dirtiest. I get an unpleasant feeling in my limbs, especially my legs, a pretty bad headache, and nausea. Plus it seems shorter, has a bad crash, and is overall my least favorite opiate.

So, what do you guys and gals think? Be sure to talk about why you like/don't like the drug in question, and your route of administration.

[resorcinol]

The -codones are cleaner for me than the morphines/ones. That methyl ester at the 3-hydroxy positon cleans the high for some reason. Not sure about the morphinans like levorphanol, never tried it. This is only considering the phenanthrene structured opiates though, IDK about the fentanyls or the open chain opiates (methadone, pethidine, ketobemidone, etc) I've never tried em.

And then there's exotic opiates like dimethylthiambutene that I bet none of us have tried... I'd love to very much. It's produced... I wish somebody could get their hands on it and do a bioassay.

Morphine is NOT a bad high at all though... sometimes preferable if you want a more noddy high.

[havok]

What the hell does clean mean? Opiates are opiates. I think people confuse "clean" with "potent". The higher you get off a certain opiate, the cleaner you probably think it is.

I think heroin is just as clean as pharm drugs. For me, "clean" heroin just refers to how pure the dope is (how much less cut there is).

I also think some people categorize oxycodone as "clean" because it gives you more of an energetic high, and doesn't knock you out and make you nod like morphine based drugs do.

[resorcinol]

I think "clean" here means less side effects, ie cloudy head, itching, body load, etc

[havok]

True, but that is subjective. What one person considers a negative side effect, might be what another person likes about a certain opiate. I know some people who enjoy the itching, cloudy head, and body high of certain opiates. Some people like to nod out when they are high, and others like to be energized and motivated to do stuff.

Also, I think it makes a big difference what ROA you use. If you IV, I think you are less likely to feel like one opiate is cleaner than another. If you snort, you taste the drug more and the potentcy makes more of a difference. You might get some nasty drips if your dope is cut more.

[resorcinol]

True.

Either way though, this poll will help us see which opiates provide which type of high. So for those of you that don't make the distinction "clean" or "dirty" (I really don't, but I knew what Lev was asking, I like morphine)... vote for the opiates that you fell are more heady with less body effects and mental clouding.

[OxiContinKing]

I'm partial to the oxycodone's, I love everything about them, except when you try to *snort* tooo much and it comes back up :\

[Opiyum]

In your opinions, what provides the cleanest high?

For example - for me at least. I think oral hydrocodone is the cleanest high.
I get a great mood lift, some relaxation, some sedation, and a bit of energy. It's euphoric, relaxing, and there's little to no crash. Plus it lasts a good long while, has a gradual come-up, and a gentle let down.

On the opposite end, I think morphine (orally - a waste, I know - at least) is the dirtiest. I get an unpleasant feeling in my limbs, especially my legs, a pretty bad headache, and nausea. Plus it seems shorter, has a bad crash, and is overall my least favorite opiate.

So, what do you guys and gals think? Be sure to talk about why you like/don't like the drug in question, and your route of administration.


I would agree with you on the hydrocodone aspect but it's just been so long since I've been able to get high from them or desired them/ Because of that I can't vote for them.

I would also agree with you on morphine unless IV'ed in which case I love it.

For me it's IV Dilaudid. I used to get 2, 4 ,6 and 8 mg vials of it. Lots of them too. And I loved every bit of it.
The connection was short lived, only about two months until the nurse got caught and sent to rehab, but it was oh so great while it lasted. Especially considering the price.

Mind you I could have basically taken any drug that this particular hospital had on hand and I chose the vials.

Oxycodone is also a great IV high but in my opinion it is by no means a clean high.

True, but that is subjective. What one person considers a negative side effect, might be what another person likes about a certain opiate. I know some people who enjoy the itching, cloudy head, and body high of certain opiates. Some people like to nod out when they are high, and others like to be energized and motivated to do stuff.

Also, I think it makes a big difference what ROA you use. If you IV, I think you are less likely to feel like one opiate is cleaner than another. If you snort, you taste the drug more and the potentcy makes more of a difference. You might get some nasty drips if your dope is cut more.

I think your completely missing the point. Yeah it's subjective but why does that make it unworthy of polling? Peoples opinion's will vary but that's normally the case with anything involving opiates. It is still interesting to see what people have to say.

Also potency really isn't an issue I don't think nor is the bad taste someone may get from a nasty drip. The question is related to the high.

[TOOL]

Cleanest High I have ever had was slamming Herion in the shower

[GoddessofRATs]

For me- Oxycodone, it's the perfect high for me. No sickness, no funky side affects.

GOR

[Princess]

I screwed up and chose Fentanyl because its my DOC. Cleanest, no. I should have chosen Oxy.

So anyways, Fentanyl is my drug of choice but oxycodone/oxycontin is the cleanest IMO.

[$LOADIE*JONES'IN$]

I HAD TO GO WITH OXY BUT I REALLY DONT THINK FENT IS THAT BAD.

[GoddessofRATs]

Why is Fent your DOC? I mean what is it that you enjoy about fent??? Just curious :)

GOR

I screwed up and chose Fentanyl because its my DOC. Cleanest, no. I should have chosen Oxy.

So anyways, Fentanyl is my drug of choice but oxycodone/oxycontin is the cleanest IMO.

[limitless_euphoria]

Ironically, it's not my favorite, but I voted for OC.

There's something about it—especially when you take just enough to surpass your tolerance. If I were to take too much and nod off, then it pisses me off—I find there's this window if I can managed to ajust the dosage within it's PERFECT. I can stay awake and feel that full opiated effect.

I mean in theory I love H and dilly quite a bit but the problem is it would be easy to take to little and not feel it enough to enjoy it and then take too much, nod off, awaken and then get pissed off missed my high!!!

Not only that, but also, if I were to go on a morphine-based drug run I find I can never get any real sleep. I could party all day with OC and then when the high is gone, I could actually GET some sleep. Hour long nods don't really count for sleep, ya know?

[Pandora]

Ironically, it's not my favorite, but I voted for OC.


Not only that, but also, if I were to go on a morphine-based drug run I find I can never get any real sleep. I could party all day with OC and then when the high is gone, I could actually GET some sleep. Hour long nods don't really count for sleep, ya know?

Really? I can never sleep for shit on oxy, even like 10 hours after I do it. Since it's my DOC, I really don't get actual sleep anymore, I don't know how I function. I wake up every 30 minutes and am always restless. Not that I mind - I actually rather enjoy it most of the time haha.

Anyway, I voted for oxy, too. With any of the morphone drugs, I always just feel really heavy and fuzzy, if that makes any sense. The H around here is always cut with sleeping pills and shit that makes you drowsy, so that kinda ruins its possible "cleanliness" for me.
Oxy just does me right every time, gives me energy if I need it but also lets me lay around and nod out - I get to choose depending on the mood I'm in, and I love that haha. Unless I do too much, and then it's just the couch for me.

[limitless_euphoria]

Really? I can never sleep for shit on oxy, even like 10 hours after I do it. Since it's my DOC, I really don't get actual sleep anymore, I don't know how I function. I wake up every 30 minutes and am always restless. Not that I mind - I actually rather enjoy it most of the time haha.

Anyway, I voted for oxy, too. With any of the morphone drugs, I always just feel really heavy and fuzzy, if that makes any sense. The H around here is always cut with sleeping pills and shit that makes you drowsy, so that kinda ruins its possible "cleanliness" for me.
Oxy just does me right every time, gives me energy if I need it but also lets me lay around and nod out - I get to choose depending on the mood I'm in, and I love that haha. Unless I do too much, and then it's just the couch for me.

I mean, first off I've only had the privilege of having dilly in a hospital setting. I've NEVER been fortunate to have a connect for that; maybe it's for the best, you know—because while I've never used a needle on myself, knowing how good hydromorphone feels IV I'd be real tempted to acquire a syringe to bang it if I had it.

That sucks that the H in your locale is cut with sleeping pills. People are just fucking dumb. I mean, if I were going to buy it, I'd rather pay a higher price and get raw dope than get it for cheap but find out they put ridiculous crap in there—fuck that!

The one thing I cannot argue about with OC—when you get an OC 40, you should know what effect it will have on you. Like you, I enjoy that "get up and go" energy it has at first. I notice as it tapers off in my system I get more sleepy. Only if I take way too much from the getgo do I nod like a mo' fo' on it then at that point what's the use—might as well have taken a sleeping pill or benzo!

The age old problem with dope is—when you buy from the guy on the corner there is no guarantee whatsoever as far as potency or what's been added from its synthesis along its journey into your hot little hand.

[Uncle Wiggly]

I chose Fentanyl, but only IVd. I've only been able to enjoy it for one time because I said goodbye to the needle almost thirty years ago. I went in for oral surgery and I always make sure to write on my intake form and to tell the doctor that I'm a CP patient and opiate dependent. Well after it was over his stupid nurse, who didn't read my chart, gave me a couple of amps of Narcan. I didn't even know what hit me. BOOM - Instant W/D. I was sneezing, puking, sweating and the whole nine-yards.

I was lucky because my wife drove me, she's an RN, and she came back to where I was because she heard me yacking. She asked the nurse, "What in the hell did you give him." The nurse told her and then the surgeon walked back in the room. My wife was pissed-off, I'm sick and the surgeon's saying, "Don't worry I'll fix this." So he told the nurse to get the Fentanyl, she asked how much and he said to bring 2000mcg. Even though I was in W/Ds I heard him when he said that . Long story - not so long. It took 1500mcgs to get me right. I got the first 1000 right away and he waited about five minutes before another 500mcg. I remember thinking I was going to play it up for all of it but after that last 500mcg I didn't think I could handle any more. For me it seemed like this was taking hours but the whole thing probably took 15 or 20 minutes.

Anyway I got to walk out of there with a full-load on and even though I had gone through a short time of hell and had my jaw cut open it was still the nicest high I've ever had. If I had a number 2 choice it would be IV Dilaudid. Sorry for the long post but it's that time of the day.:D

PAX

[Raisin]

Cleanest High I have ever had was slamming Herion in the shower

I used to love to bang some dope and take a shower. One time I woke up wet and naked with my fat hairy roommate standing over me. Apparently I went out in the shower and fell out onto the floor. A lot of things went through my head when I came too though. I still don't know that he didn't touch me in my private no-no place.

[Chicago]

When I get high on heroin, I go for the big bang SHOT, WHERE TO THE POINT TO WHERE i LOOK LIKE I'M FALLING OVER;).

When you said that the heroin is cut w/sleeping pills, kinda if you put it that way, b/c the heroin you get MOST likely comes from out here in Chicago.

So when they do cut it correct it is cut w/either dormin or sleepinal b/c those pills can easly dissolve in water when cooking them up so when you shoot them you have nothing left or see any crappy cut on ur spoon/tin.

Aswell the the antihystimine(sp) of dorms/sleepinal or benedryl supposedly kicks in the high of the dope to nod. When doing complete raw dope, which is really unheard of for us to get our hands on.
Pure heroin is only come in powder form, when people get raw dope b/c it is in chunks of rock, that is only b/c the person had to do this maybe to get it across where ever or they put them in the plastic gloves to make them 10gram fingers.

When I was gone for my 8 days, I talked to a pretty big dealer & was talking how to rerock raw dope.
He was telling me that when he would get half packages, which most BIG DEALERS get is a half of a key, anyway he would take 5grams of powder put the powder in the blender w/another 5grams of cut to make a whole 10grams.
Anyways his process he told me was after making 10 grams of powder, he would get a flat baking sheet, spread all the powder on there, while getting a water bottle w/3/4 water & 1/4 vinager, he would spray this all over the dope when on the cooking sheet.
Then when moist, he would get one of those plastic gloves & pack each finger to equal out 10grams per finger, doing this to about 6 hands at a time.
After wrapping the fingers tight & putting them into a bag wraped in masking tape into boiling water for 5-10mins, then taking out putting in the freezer for over night.
When talking them out he would need a hammer to break off grams.

This is a big reason why alot of dope has that vinager SMELL to it.
From what I was told heroin unlike we all think has a vinager smell, that is b/c they spray vinager on there. He was getting some real raw, meaning alot more raw then any most big dealers would see b/c he was selling no smaller then 100 grams per indivual, telling me that if doing the heroin he was selling at the time would kill almost anyone,& wanted to add that he had said that REAL #4 HEROIN IS BRIGHT WHITE. so when we get heroin sometimes & look at it & say damm this shit is white as coke wtf,thinking it is cut to shit.
All the color from a light brown to a grey looking color is all from the cut that some of the small dealers make. He also told me when he sold his 100 grams that would be remade to another 3-500grams again & rerocked over & over, Changing the color Each time.

IDK why I just went into all this detail, it all started w/wanting to tell the girl why sleeping pills are added, just b/c you will never no there is a cut on it plus it dissolves clear adding to make the vinager taste stronger. But also the pills add to your nod.

In the op @ my man LEV, YOU no me, so I go for the big fucking shot to get knocked the fuck out, I go the whole 9yards.
As for morphine had some shots when every 5hrs in RAOID DETOX, but just enuff to feel good never to get that great rush.
This is getting to long, sorry & losing my point;):rolleyes:




Really? I can never sleep for shit on oxy, even like 10 hours after I do it. Since it's my DOC, I really don't get actual sleep anymore, I don't know how I function. I wake up every 30 minutes and am always restless. Not that I mind - I actually rather enjoy it most of the time haha.


Anyway, I voted for oxy, too. With any of the morphone drugs, I always just feel really heavy and fuzzy, if that makes any sense. The H around here is always cut with sleeping pills and shit that makes you drowsy, so that kinda ruins its possible "cleanliness" for me.

Oxy just does me right every time, gives me energy if I need it but also lets me lay around and nod out - I get to choose depending on the mood I'm in, and I love that haha. Unless I do too much, and then it's just the couch for me.

[Raisin]

Oh yeah, as far as cleanest, I love dillies but it would have to be oxycodone. Bang 60 mg at work and watch me go.

[Inspektahdek]

IV Morphine or codeine if u have a weak tolerance. They're both natural and not synthetic hence the "cleanliness"

semi-synth I would say hydrocodone. Alot of you are getting clean mixed with favourite I think. And I think by voting for this you should have extensive experience with both non-synthetic, semi and complete synthetic opiates so you know the difference.

[limitless_euphoria]

I used to love to bang some dope and take a shower. One time I woke up wet and naked with my fat hairy roommate standing over me. Apparently I went out in the shower and fell out onto the floor. A lot of things went through my head when I came too though. I still don't know that he didn't touch me in my private no-no place.

OMG!! That reminds me of a horror story. One time while my wife was away for an extended period of time I was up to no good. I was chugging some Bacardi 151 and wicked cocked. I also had some really, really high purity H that I had been using. Well, I had gotten so drunk that it was kind of a blur but from what the tox screen said I had taken valium, opiates (obv. the H), marijuana (not that same day but I tested pos.), and they didn't even need test of the booze that was obvious.

What had happened was—I was so fucked up, dripping sweat like a hog, so I had gotten into the shower to try to feel better. Well, my wife, much to my fortune, had come home early and she heard the shower running and running and running and I usually don't take much more than a 10-15 minute shower. She came in and found me passed out on the floor. She figured I was unconscious because I had slipped, fallen and cracked my head on the wall or the tub or something. Then when she found out I'd been drinking (she did not know about the drugging until I had "the guilts" months later and I fessed up) she went through the garbage and found the empty litre of rum.

She was so concerned that I was THAT out of it she called 911. I'm really lucky because I had puked but I didn't aspirate on it. They took me away to the hospital in my birthday suit. In the ambulance they questioned the shit out of me but I was way too incoherent; they just assumed I was drunk. As wasted as I was, I knew not to cop to opiates as they would have given my ass narcan and I really did not want instant w/d.

That whole scenario was embarrassing to say the least!! I had an overnight stay and let me tell you that was one out of three very close brushes with drug/alcohol related death I've had.

That was actually probably one of the DIRTIEST highs I've ever had. It took me like almost a week before I wanted to get back in the shower again!!! Sorry to go OT on this one; it's just another testimonial not to mix benzos, opiates and liquor. BAD NEWS any way you look at it.

[Inspektahdek]

it's just another testimonial not to mix benzos, opiates and liquor. BAD NEWS any way you look at it.


excellent testament and advice :D

[Levity]

I figured everyone would figure out what I meant by "clean" when I explained it...

My DOC is oxycodone, but my cleanest high is hydrocodone, for the reasons I listed above.

I think the cleanest oral is hydrocodone and the cleanest IV is hydromorphone.
The dirtiest oral is morphine and the dirtiest IV is... Well, I still gotta go with morphine or stepped on heroin.

Most people seem to love Oxy (yeah, big duh, I know), and I'm not surprised to see Dillies with a strong showing. I am wondering where our H users are at, or do they just know their product is probably cut to hell and back?

[Nostromos]

Not only that, but also, if I were to go on a morphine-based drug run I find I can never get any real sleep. I could party all day with OC and then when the high is gone, I could actually GET some sleep. Hour long nods don't really count for sleep, ya know?

I've had that problem with the morphones I'm used to, I love the effect but can't sleep. I'm hearing a lot about oral hydrocodone, but where is it besides in vikes and norcos? I've never tried oral oxy's of any kind, maybe I'll like those better.

[Raisin]

I think a lot of people have come close to death here. I wonder what effects on the psyche this has.

[(inaudible screams)]

My favorite high is from hydrocodone. My tolerance is such that I can take as many as possible and nothing happens though.

So now I have to choose oxy due to circumstance.

[havok]

I think your completely missing the point. Yeah it's subjective but why does that make it unworthy of polling? Peoples opinion's will vary but that's normally the case with anything involving opiates. It is still interesting to see what people have to say.

Also potency really isn't an issue I don't think nor is the bad taste someone may get from a nasty drip. The question is related to the high.


I'm not missing the point. I just think a better title for the poll would be "What opiate do you prefer?". Usually whatever opiate a person likes is what they consider the cleanest. I think you are missing the point because you say potency is not an issue, and yet then you say the question is about the high. This doesn't make any sense because potency and the high are directly related. MORE POTENCY = MORE HIGH

Furthermore, potency is also directly related to how pure the dope is. The purer it is, the more potent it is, and therefore the "cleaner" it is.

Also, the only reason I mentioned drips is because if the dope is not very pure and cut with something bad, you will taste it in the drips when you snort it.

Basically it comes down to the purer the dope, the cleaner it is. The "cleanest" heroin you could get would be 100% pure pharmacutical grade diamorphine made in a lab.

[roxi*stardust]

My own personal opinion is oxycodone. I get great euphoria and pain relief (mu 1 effects) without bad side effects (mu 2) such as drowsiness, constipation, histamine reaction (itching).

From a purely pharmacologic point of view I would still have to say oxycodone. It gives great pain relief with less side effecst when compared to morphine. BTW when comparing pain medication from a pharmacologic stand point morphine is the standard by which other meds are compared to in terms off pain relief, euphoria, side effects, and addiction potential.

[TOOL]

I used to love to bang some dope and take a shower. One time I woke up wet and naked with my fat hairy roommate standing over me. Apparently I went out in the shower and fell out onto the floor. A lot of things went through my head when I came too though. I still don't know that he didn't touch me in my private no-no place.


LOL ohh no man thats not cool at all, I hope you weren't violated..... I seriously love a nice hot shower right after my evening dose, you do feel clean and relaxed... yes I know a different clean than what we are talking about here comparing pharms, but still thats my perfect evening a fat dose and a hot shower to kick things off, and the chill on the couch for a good nod.

[Opiyum]

I'm not missing the point. I just think a better title for the poll would be "What opiate do you prefer?". Usually whatever opiate a person likes is what they consider the cleanest. I think you are missing the point because you say potency is not an issue, and yet then you say the question is about the high. This doesn't make any sense because potency and the high are directly related. MORE POTENCY = MORE HIGH

Furthermore, potency is also directly related to how pure the dope is. The purer it is, the more potent it is, and therefore the "cleaner" it is.

Also, the only reason I mentioned drips is because if the dope is not very pure and cut with something bad, you will taste it in the drips when you snort it.

Basically it comes down to the purer the dope, the cleaner it is. The "cleanest" heroin you could get would be 100% pure pharmacutical grade diamorphine made in a lab.

No your still missing the point but it's all good I really don't care.

[TOOL]

No your still missing the point but it's all good I really don't care.


Hey man nice Avatar I am a huge Alex Grey fan from all his work with Tool, have you ever seen the COSM

[havok]

No your still missing the point but it's all good I really don't care.

How am I still missing the point?

The higher purity the heroin is, the more potent it is. Do you agree with this?

The higher purity the heroin is, the cleaner it is. Do you agree with this?

If you agree with these two statements, then it proves that the more potent the heroin is, the cleaner it is. That is all I am trying to say. Higher purity equals cleaner high.

[Levity]

How am I still missing the point?

The higher purity the heroin is, the more potent it is. Do you agree with this?

The higher purity the heroin is, the cleaner it is. Do you agree with this?

If you agree with these two statements, then it proves that the more potent the heroin is, the cleaner it is. That is all I am trying to say. Higher purity equals cleaner high.

No one is disagreeing on your two points.

My point is that while my DOC is oxycodone (best effects, for me, per mg basis, cost-effectiveness, legal, ect,), I think the cleanest high is hydrocodone, which is not my DOC because it is not as effective on a mg-per-mg basis, considering my tolerance.

Thus, some people might think that pure pharm-grade heroin is not their DOC, it is the cleanest high, or vice versa (it is their DOC but is not the cleanest high; maybe they prefer Tramadol or some crazy shit).

Get it?

[Opiyum]

I see a difference in the intensity of a high and cleanliness or quality of a high is all. I agree with what your saying but what your talking about is not related to the thread.

You could fine Less pure heroin that gives a cleaner high.

Hydrocodone is much less potent than Oxy but it delivers a cleaner high.

If you don't get it by now you probably never will.

[loosemorals]

oxycodone.

hydrocodone being a close second... just takes too much...

actually, taking the two together is pretty nice :)

being they are my DOC's... its pretty cool that i get #180 15mg roxis, and my gf gets scripted a buncha vics... around the same time of the month too.. :)

[Levity]

oxycodone.

hydrocodone being a close second... just takes too much...

actually, taking the two together is pretty nice :)

being they are my DOC's... its pretty cool that i get #180 15mg roxis, and my gf gets scripted a buncha vics... around the same time of the month too.. :)

Those are my favorites too...
About 100mg of Hydro CWE'd then swallowed and between 120 and 160 of Oxy snorted.

[jonny-5]

i understand what the question means, but ive never really considered opiates to not have a "clean" high. i mean, methamphetamine has a much cleaner high than methylphenidate (ritalin), but i dont think oxycodone has a cleaner high than diacetylmorphine. but i think they all have a cleaner high than opium or seed/pod tea.

[Black_Pony]

Hydrocodone gives me an icky sweaty kind of buzz, same w/ codeine, not clean for me at all. I would probably vote IV dilaudid.


For example - for me at least. I think oral hydrocodone is the cleanest high.

[Hiram]

Hydrocodone gives me an icky sweaty kind of buzz, same w/ codeine, not clean for me at all. I would probably vote IV dilaudid.

Codeine reminds me of what food poisoning feels like and not much of a high, if any. I admit I do still like tussionex from time to time as far as hydro goes.

[bluesubaru]

i'd have to go with oxy first, fentanyl second, hydrocodone third, dilaudud fourth, morphine last...those are the only ones i have a good amount of experience with

[bindegal]

I had to say methadone, with the right amount I fell good. Most of the other stuff we don't get here. Things like Oxymorphone, Hydrocodone, isn't even available here. Hydromorphone is, but is never use, the same with Oxycodone and if you get a script it cost something like 700$ for 100 80mg. But we have a lot of Ketobemidone on the streets, is a strange high and not at all clean high.

[StrungOutAgain]

I voted for oxymorphone railed of course. Second for me is hydrocodone.

[erica]

Oxycodone...also my DOC.

Havok - I think what everyone is trying to say is that a "clean" high would give you the least undesirable side effects...whereas a very "potent" drug may get you way more high, but also give you some unfavorable side effects.

You have to keep in mind that everyone's body reacts to different opiates in different ways. For example, let's just compare morphine to hydrocodone (randomly selected, just an example). Morphine is much more potent than morphine, that's a fact. An individual taking morphine, however, may describe it as a less "clean" high because of all the side effects they get from it - vomiting, itchiness, nausea, etc. They may describe hydrocodone as a cleaner high because of less side effects.

This is different from potency. Even though you may take a bigger dose to achieve the same high, you suffer from less negative side effects, therefore, it's a "cleaner" feeling drug. I hope that makes sense.

[bronyraur]

Hydrocodone gives me an icky sweaty kind of buzz, same w/ codeine, not clean for me at all. I would probably vote IV dilaudid.

Yum yum. IV Dilaudid....

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[OpiGuRu729]

I'm a junky I like them all.... :D

[God_Albino]

most opiates effects eventually change after being on them awhile, done used to be a great pick me-up, no nods, just enthusiam and energy to get shit done, then i stopped tolerating it.

oc or fent are pretty clean unless you go to town on em. chawin an empty while the oxy drip starts is a great taste and pleasant mild way to get through till next refill