5 Days, one Dime Bag a Day...

[StealSmoke]

(hypothetically)I havent been able to find any painkillers, so I resorted to the next best thing, heroin, for five days now, I've been snorting one dimebag of boy a day, one dimebag a day, for the last fivedays, fi I were t oquit tonight, or tommorrow, would I feel any withdrawals? would they be minor? or major? I've taken Oxy's for liek a month straight with a 30+ pill supply, adn quit cold turkey, and had no withdrawals really, so would I haev withdrawals becasue of these five days of use?

[Raz]

Yo amigo,quit now while ya can..You should be ok if this is all youve done.You might have one restless night, but other than that youll be cool.Dont take yourself any further down the rd of addiction...Raz

[StealSmoke]

lol, I appreciate the advice, and I'm sure I will probably quit tonight or tomorrow, I honestly like vicodin a hundred times more than this, but I'm waiting o nthe script, I did heroin like twice/three times like ayear ago, but in bigger quantity, adn had no problem quitting. addiction isnt really a problem, it's the withdrawal I'm thinking about, I know I can quit , lol, theres nothing to it but to do it, the people I've met that got real real strung out on it were the addictive and shallow type, no offense, I'm not talking about the ones who did it for long periods of tiem sand then wouldnt want t oquit, I'm talking about the ones who did it like 3 4 times and said they were hooked, that just can't happen IMO, you can do waht you want ,and if I want t oquit, qhic hI do ,adn I may as well, you'll quit, if you don't, you won't. the withdrawals are what keep peopel from quitting at certain stages.

but I'm pretty sure I should be fine, just need to get these pills and then I'll forget all about this BS. but really though I don't haev too mcuh of an addictive personality, after cancer, and wars adn shit, this being my third country, it's really not hard to just quit doing somethign I gotta quit.

but I appreciate your concern, vato, you take it easy, adn follow your own advice if you can!

thanks for reassuring me!

[Raz]

Looks like ya know what your doin,where do ya originally come from? Give us some info? Raz

[lunchbox]

lol, I appreciate the advice, and I'm sure I will probably quit tonight or tomorrow, I honestly like vicodin a hundred times more than this, but I'm waiting o nthe script, I did heroin like twice/three times like ayear ago, but in bigger quantity, adn had no problem quitting. addiction isnt really a problem, it's the withdrawal I'm thinking about, I know I can quit , lol, theres nothing to it but to do it, the people I've met that got real real strung out on it were the addictive and shallow type, no offense, I'm not talking about the ones who did it for long periods of tiem sand then wouldnt want t oquit, I'm talking about the ones who did it like 3 4 times and said they were hooked, that just can't happen IMO, you can do waht you want ,and if I want t oquit, qhic hI do ,adn I may as well, you'll quit, if you don't, you won't. the withdrawals are what keep peopel from quitting at certain stages.

but I'm pretty sure I should be fine, just need to get these pills and then I'll forget all about this BS. but really though I don't haev too mcuh of an addictive personality, after cancer, and wars adn shit, this being my third country, it's really not hard to just quit doing somethign I gotta quit.

but I appreciate your concern, vato, you take it easy, adn follow your own advice if you can!

thanks for reassuring me!

looks like i'm the addictive and shallow kind... :(

but hey you sound like how i use to be ^_^

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

but hey you sound like how i use to be ^_^
^ Co-Signed!!^


Quit taking the vics and all right now dude. From someone who's been there please believe me. I thought exactly as you are...Nahhhh not meee.........uhhhhhh yupppp me.

[StealSmoke]

shit the vics? I cant say Im gonna quit those, they arent harmul i nthe least to my knowledge beside the liver damage fro mthe acetaminophen, so why would I quit them? theyre legal, theyre pure, their safe, and they arent harmful i nthe least(disregarding the liver damage from the acetaminophen, but alchohol does the same thign ,and peopel still drink it). and they maek you feel good, I can't see a point in quitting those. the heroin, well that, I pretty mcu hhavent even started, from a consistent standpoint anyway, but I do need to quit before it becomes a habit. if I was t ocontinue using it for another month, then I could see the reason for being 'addicted" or locked into it, due to withdrawals and whatnot, but a one or two week binge can't be that harmful and can't have that much withdrawal, atleast if I've got some vics to lean me off of it, even if not ,I should be okay.

thanks for the replies though guys, and the advice, I would say the same to you but I'm sure you already know what you should do.

still, I encourage you all to slowly stop doing it or find some legal medication to lean yourself off of it, before God forbid something bad happens.

and Raz, man I'm from Bosnia, 2 years into the war me and my family fwent on boat t ogermany, lived in a refugee camp there(no lie) for several years, then flew here fro mthere, two years into my life here, I got diagnosed with cancer. or some kind of tumor, a year of chemo ,adn I was alright ,now 7 years later, here I am, taking painkillers, lol, but hey, what can I say? shit's been painful, that might be an excuse, but if these doctors knew what cancer felt liek ,adn what going htroug ha war feels like, then I'm positive they'd be taking painkilers just as much as me.

[lunchbox]

can't say i miss jonesin for vikes cause they suck you'll realize that soon enough

[StealSmoke]

well, no offense but that's probably becasue you've been shooting up heroin for who knows how long ,I can tell you right now half of a dimebag of heroin does not make me feel as good as three 10 mg norco's, and I've only done heroin like 7 or 8 times, and never injected it. I would take hydrocodone over heroin anyday, adn I've done both enough to know their effects.

I would take heroin over morphine, dilaudid over heroin, vicodin over all three, I dont know why, but vicodin give me an incredibly beautiful euphoria. and theyre harmless, so yah.

but yeah, heroin is alright to use occasionally or when you dont haev anything else, mainly because there's always heroin around, I can't lie it's fun, get a bag or wo, lay it out o na CD case, chop it into lines with my Y card, grab the little quarter of a straw ,and inhale and I'm in bliss, but when I haev a bottle ful lof norco's, a fat ass blunt to smoke, and I pop three norcos and smoke tha tblunt? I'm in heaven.

[lunchbox]

i don't like gettin skeeted neither :p

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Bro, I started out taking my *rx'ed* Vicodins. Thats IT! All I mostly take now is Vicoden and I'm addicted because of taking my rx recreationally. I've NEVER done heroin before, never will, but I sure the hell can tell you that hydrocodone is 100% addictive if you agree or not. It won't last forever. I don't care who your doctor is soon there will be an end to that wonderful script. Whether the doctor moves, he takes you off them, or whatever in time you WILL lose that script. That's when the jonesing/fening starts. Mark my words. I'm not trying to be mean dude, I just don't wanna see you go down the road I did by thinking you can never get addicted to your rx. You say you aren't addicted yet you can't seem to quit taking Vics. If you're not an addicted person you wouldn't even be thinking about when you get your Vics filled. Unfortuanatley if you continue to take Vicodin your tolerance will increase and your addiction will deepen. Just spitten the facts to you bro. Do what you want, I just felt I had to at least lay it out there since I started exactly where you are.

HMSO

[StealSmoke]

oh yeah I see wha tyou're saying, vicodin are addicting, I cant deny that,but the addiction to the vicodin is barely bothersome, all it can do is hurt your pockets financially if you' arent well off, and I'm not, so it could/would/ and has hurt my pockets financially, but IMO the benefits outweigh the negative, I've been taking vicoin for like 5 years now, heroin like I said I've only done a handful of times, and half of those times was years ago, the thing that I guess your right on is the addiction, since I've been taking vicoin for years andyears, as soon as there werent any vicodin around, no script, nobody else has em, I had to resort to some other shit, thats where morphine/dilaudid,oxy's came i nthe picture, its al lthe same shit though, an opiate is an opiate, but vicodin is teh least harmful, if harmful at all. so what is the downsie of beign adicted to vicodin, besides the obvious(being 'addicted')? there isnt any, with shit like heroin, it kills you, literally ,to my knowledge, if used like we use vicodin, same thing with alchohol, vicodin doesnt really harm you at all, so the addiction to it is pretty bearable, and most of the time woth the pain relief and/or high.

but I do agree, vicodin is very addictive, just npot harmful, so theres only so muc hnegativity that comes with beign addicted to vicodin.

but I see waht you're sayign ,adn you're right, beign addicted or fiending for any drug is bad. but I guess I just would rather take the lesser of two evils/addictions or pains.

[dirtdog]

I did heroin like twice/three times like ayear ago, but in bigger quantity, adn had no problem quitting. addiction isnt really a problem

[quote=StealSmoke;227417], and I've only done heroin like 7 or 8 times, and never injected it.quote]

Yeah... Im lost dude...
Dont we all say addiction isnt a problem, its the withdrawls. Isnt that why we keep using, to keep withdrawls away? heh heh. Youre addicted to opiates bud, whether you think so or not:rolleyes:

[lunchbox]

you seem very misinformed

[King's Crossing]

goodluck not being addictive and shallow...if only the rest of us had realized that...

[kevin]

Wow, you have no idea, do you? Quit judging people and shut the fuck up. You'll be on the same level as the rest of us, just give it time. You seem fairly ignorant.

[StrungOutAgain]

I can't believe this guy, poor bastard isn't going to realize things till its too late. Take it from me those norcos can be very very addicting. I'm very very lucky I got my situation under control somewhat now but before I would take 4 every hour or so. I would probably go through 120 in a matter of 3 days. I kept that up for a few months, don't ask me how the hell I pulled it off I still wonder myself. So anyway don't think these things are nothing. OH and the withdraws can be very very bad.

[ein0606]

oh yeah I see wha tyou're saying, vicodin are addicting, I cant deny that,but the addiction to the vicodin is barely bothersome, all it can do is hurt your pockets financially if you' arent well off, and I'm not, so it could/would/ and has hurt my pockets financially, but IMO the benefits outweigh the negative, I've been taking vicoin for like 5 years now, heroin like I said I've only done a handful of times, and half of those times was years ago, the thing that I guess your right on is the addiction, since I've been taking vicoin for years andyears, as soon as there werent any vicodin around, no script, nobody else has em, I had to resort to some other shit, thats where morphine/dilaudid,oxy's came i nthe picture, its al lthe same shit though, an opiate is an opiate, but vicodin is teh least harmful, if harmful at all. so what is the downsie of beign adicted to vicodin, besides the obvious(being 'addicted')? there isnt any, with shit like heroin, it kills you, literally ,to my knowledge, if used like we use vicodin, same thing with alchohol, vicodin doesnt really harm you at all, so the addiction to it is pretty bearable, and most of the time woth the pain relief and/or high.

but I do agree, vicodin is very addictive, just npot harmful, so theres only so muc hnegativity that comes with beign addicted to vicodin.

.

are you fucking kidding me? dude i started out just popping the vics too. but next thing you know your movin up the opiate ladder. finally your on too heroin or oxy or whatever cause a vike to you is about as worthless as trying to take a shit everyday. then you have sold everything you own and whoever you live with has locked down all of their shit. that my friend is a quick example of addiction.

and i could go on and on about the rest of this but i wont ...

[OxyContinuously]

let him hang....don't waste ur time trying to tell him, cause his mind is made up that vics don't cause dependence...so what?

way i see it, he has enough rope already, so let's all sit back and laugh when he inevitably hangs.

[ein0606]

let him hang....don't waste ur time trying to tell him, cause his mind is made up that vics don't cause dependence...so what?

way i see it, he has enough rope already, so let's all sit back and laugh when he inevitably hangs.


he already has just hasnt realized it yet. i dont get how you can say vikes arent bad or addicting but he ran out and is relying on 5 dimes of dope until his script comes through.....

[I-Nod]

Vicodin WD's were bad enough to make me search high and low for an alternative. Probably the same w/ most folks... it's pretty bad. GL and please update us in a few months ;)

[Nate]

(hypothetically)I havent been able to find any painkillers, so I resorted to the next best thing, heroin, for five days now, I've been snorting one dimebag of boy a day, one dimebag a day, for the last fivedays, fi I were t oquit tonight, or tommorrow, would I feel any withdrawals? would they be minor? or major? I've taken Oxy's for liek a month straight with a 30+ pill supply, adn quit cold turkey, and had no withdrawals really, so would I haev withdrawals becasue of these five days of use?

The next best thing? You mean the best thing.

[Thebane]

Just to clear this up, because I really do feel sorry for you, heroin, morphine, dilaudid, whatever the fuck opiate you want to talk about is no more harmful than "vicodin" (hydrocodone). Obviously the side-effects (constipation mostly) are slightly worse, because they're stronger opiates, but if you take enough vicodin believe me you'll be as constipated as everyone else here. This is really your only argument to prefer vicodin over heroin, and it's laughably misinformed. You're just as addicted to opiates on 20 vicodin a day as you are on half a dimebag of heroin a day (or however the strength comparison works out).

And no opiates may not kill you like alcohol addiction if you're lucky enough not to overdose, but that's small comfort when you're going through withdrawal. And it sounds like you're already physically addicted if you went to heroin rather than take a week off of opiates. Basically, what I'm saying is vicodin is a little less dangerous than heroin, just because it's a weaker opiate, but don't worry in time you'll work your way up the opiate ladder. So, I'll rephrase what someone told me when I got here, "either run as fast as you can away from all opiates, or take a seat and embrace your inevitable habit now." Good luck bud, even if you are ignorant and insulting, I wouldn't wish this shit on anyone and it's clear what you're going to choose.

[Thanat0s]

boy, the OP sure is in for a surprise when he realizes an opiate is an opiate is an opiate... vicodin addiction is really not qualitatively any different than any other opiate addiction... kinda like saying ''smack' isnt so bad but id NEVER do 'junk'...'

:rolleyes:

a rose by any other name...

to the OP: man, you better educate yourself FAST... your uninformed opinion will NOT save you from the opio-go-'round...

with your current attitude? i promise you youre gonna get burnt.

[grant123]

Yeah i wasnt gonna waist my time trying to tell the old man any different then what he thinks.... but here i go-

Just as everyone else said, you dont even know what your in for. we all thought we 'knew it all' and werent going to get addicted, when we started taking a vik or 2, or 10... then its perks.... then its morphine or OC... then before yah know it your right in the looop doing whatever gets the monkey off your back.

BUT you seem to have it all figured out, keep swallowing handfulls of those liver bombs, its just a liver right..... who needs one?

your a shallow ignorant addict.

[Thanat0s]

this guy is the worst kind of addict...
at least most of us here face our compulsion head on...

[Raisin]

Now I get it. I just have to lean off the drugs. What's best for that, a doorway, a lamp post?

[JonnyMohawk]

I've taken Oxy's for liek a month straight with a 30+ pill supply, adn quit cold turkey, and had no withdrawals really


Bullshit.

[StrungOutAgain]

Look this guy's an asshole and I'm no longer going to offer my advice to this bastard.

[King's Crossing]

Wow, you have no idea, do you? Quit judging people and shut the fuck up. You'll be on the same level as the rest of us, just give it time. You seem fairly ignorant.

You fuckin' tell him kevin! :) Hit me up sometime soon & lets go grab a beer. I havn't heard from you in a while.

[StealSmoke]

Bullshit.


firstly, not bullshit at all.

secondly, what the fuck is wrong with you people? I didnt insult one single perso nadn you fuckin junkies(Now I will insult becasue I was insulted) are mad that not everybody has the tolerance and/or dependance of a 10 year heroin shooter. I've only done heroin like 7 times, five this year, two last year.

I've been taking vicodin for 5 years, if not more, and I haev yet to haev any problems while running out, this past period I just WANTED to get high because I've been having alot of problems/pain, it's all about what you WANT t odo, if you WANT to get high for months straight, you WILL get addicted, if you WANT to get high for a few weeks and quit cold turkey, you are NOT addicted, atleast I'm not.

I AM addicted to vicodin, I wont deny that ,adn I never did deny that ,I think too many of you are frustrated about your own lives going poorely or your not beign able to "shoot up some heroin" that yoou're lashing out at me for saying I'm not addicted to heroin but am adicted to vicodin, but that vicodin is legal, and pure, adn safe, and less harmful than heroin, which is illegal, unpure, and unsafe.

any IDIOT who doesnt comprehend that is not only a junkie, but an idiot, as previously mentioned.

I AM addicted to vicodin, but that is an addiction I'm willing to continue, though if i really WANTED to I could quit, I just dont want to, may sound young and dumb, but it's tue, I've done it before, I was addicted to ECSTACY ,of al ldrugs, for a year, after such an addiction, and believe you me, beign addicted to X and it's withdrawals is HORRIBLE, the only thing that ever made me go literally CRAZY, literally,so maybe my mindstate is very strong, I've had cancer, I've lived throguh wars, I've faced addition to worse drugs i nthe past, if I could overcome all of that, I can stop doing heroin i na heartbeat, and I have before, adn I will/have again.

vicodin? vicodin is pure, and safe, and only has harmful as alchohol, the positives of vicodin/vicodin addiction FARRR outweigh the negatives. because you can't get strugn out on vicoin, you cant die from unpure vicodin, you'll never sell your furniture or labtop for vicoidin, which I've been taking for 5 years plus, adn had whole month's during which I had No vicodin, and I did NO drug, except weed, and believe me, the withdrawals were MINIMAL, barely noticable, with the weed atleast. the oxy's? I swear on my life I had around 30 40 mg oxycodone(ER) and took them all within the period of one month, after I ran out, I had no choice but to quit, and smoked weed, took some vicoin, and felt NO WITHDRAWALS AT ALL, I promise you!

I dont know WTF is wrong with you people, butthen again, I'm probably talking to a bunch of people who are SHALLOW, STUPID, and WEAK, and got 'addicted beyond repair" fro ma few lines of heroin, and started sticking needles i ntheir arms and shooting heroin for yeares and years. me and you are different, I've doen heroin 7 times in my entire life, you've done it X(estimating around 200) times, injecting it, previous mentioned way of getting addicted is not possible, I have proven this to myself years/a year ago. after months of heroin use, sure it is easy to not stop or becoem addicted, but a few weeks, or one week? no.

and I didnt insult one single person on this forum , I'm sorry if you true dope fiends and homelesss type people are mad tha tI said anyone who uses heroin a few times and is automatically addicted and can't quit, iis shallow and dumb, but it's true, look it up, look up how long it takes of heroin use to get physically addicted, mentally is anothe thing, again, this amounts to what you 'want".

and yes I will continue to take my norcos, because they are less harmful than alchohol, they are legal ,adn they are safe and pure. and the benefits of VICODIN addiction or use FAR outweigh the negatives.

period.

sto pbeign so sensitive and looking for th etiniest statement of mien to take out of context to insult ME whenI insulted nobody. stop shooting 10 bags of heroin into your arm daily, mayeb you'd see wah tI 'm talking about.

[Thanat0s]

firstly, not bullshit at all.

secondly, what the fuck is wrong with you people? I didnt insult one single perso nadn you fuckin junkies(Now I will insult becasue I was insulted) are mad that not everybody has the tolerance and/or dependance of a 10 year heroin shooter. I've only done heroin like 7 times, five this year, two last year.

I've been taking vicodin for 5 years, if not more, and I haev yet to haev any problems while running out, this past period I just WANTED to get high because I've been having alot of problems/pain, it's all about what you WANT t odo, if you WANT to get high for months straight, you WILL get addicted, if you WANT to get high for a few weeks and quit cold turkey, you are NOT addicted, atleast I'm not.

I AM addicted to vicodin, I wont deny that ,adn I never did deny that ,I think too many of you are frustrated about your own lives going poorely or your not beign able to "shoot up some heroin" that yoou're lashing out at me for saying I'm not addicted to heroin but am adicted to vicodin, but that vicodin is legal, and pure, adn safe, and less harmful than heroin, which is illegal, unpure, and unsafe.

any IDIOT who doesnt comprehend that is not only a junkie, but an idiot, as previously mentioned.

I AM addicted to vicodin, but that is an addiction I'm willing to continue, though if i really WANTED to I could quit, I just dont want to, may sound young and dumb, but it's tue, I've done it before, I was addicted to ECSTACY ,of al ldrugs, for a year, after such an addiction, and believe you me, beign addicted to X and it's withdrawals is HORRIBLE, the only thing that ever made me go literally CRAZY, literally,so maybe my mindstate is very strong, I've had cancer, I've lived throguh wars, I've faced addition to worse drugs i nthe past, if I could overcome all of that, I can stop doing heroin i na heartbeat, and I have before, adn I will/have again.

vicodin? vicodin is pure, and safe, and only has harmful as alchohol, the positives of vicodin/vicodin addiction FARRR outweigh the negatives. because you can't get strugn out on vicoin, you cant die from unpure vicodin, you'll never sell your furniture or labtop for vicoidin, which I've been taking for 5 years plus, adn had whole month's during which I had No vicodin, and I did NO drug, except weed, and believe me, the withdrawals were MINIMAL, barely noticable, with the weed atleast. the oxy's? I swear on my life I had around 30 40 mg oxycodone(ER) and took them all within the period of one month, after I ran out, I had no choice but to quit, and smoked weed, took some vicoin, and felt NO WITHDRAWALS AT ALL, I promise you!

I dont know WTF is wrong with you people, butthen again, I'm probably talking to a bunch of people who are SHALLOW, STUPID, and WEAK, and got 'addicted beyond repair" fro ma few lines of heroin, and started sticking needles i ntheir arms and shooting heroin for yeares and years. me and you are different, I've doen heroin 7 times in my entire life, you've done it X(estimating around 200) times, injecting it, previous mentioned way of getting addicted is not possible, I have proven this to myself years/a year ago. after months of heroin use, sure it is easy to not stop or becoem addicted, but a few weeks, or one week? no.

and I didnt insult one single person on this forum , I'm sorry if you true dope fiends and homelesss type people are mad tha tI said anyone who uses heroin a few times and is automatically addicted and can't quit, iis shallow and dumb, but it's true, look it up, look up how long it takes of heroin use to get physically addicted, mentally is anothe thing, again, this amounts to what you 'want".

and yes I will continue to take my norcos, because they are less harmful than alchohol, they are legal ,adn they are safe and pure. and the benefits of VICODIN addiction or use FAR outweigh the negatives.

period.

sto pbeign so sensitive and looking for th etiniest statement of mien to take out of context to insult ME whenI insulted nobody. stop shooting 10 bags of heroin into your arm daily, mayeb you'd see wah tI 'm talking about.

how is vocodin any 'better' than heroin? how is it that one 'cannot become strung out on vicodin?' youre talking about. addiction to ecstasy? please... if youve really been taking those vics for years straight you ARE strung out and will find out what physical and mental addiction really are when you are without your opiate long enough.

the only difference between hydrocodone and diacetylmorph is legality and quantity needed to acheive similar effects. promise.

really kid, you dont understand the nature of what youre talking about or messing with...
hehe, so you took oxy straight for a month then stopped and had no withdrawl because you were taking vicodin, genius! vicodin is an opiate, oxy is an opiate, heroin is an opiate. no real difference, they all attach to the same receptors and all cause the same withdrawls and alleviate the same symptoms.

you sir need to do some research. but please do it elsewhere, this just aint the place for you.

while you are a junky you are just too closed minded to fit in this community.

i feel very very sorry for you.
think of us when you finally wake up and realize whats really going on with your opiate addiction.

[nick]

Guys the best way to help and educate someone is not to abuse them..........no matter how wrong or annoying they are.


Stealingsmoke,I'm sorry if you feel abused,but a lot of us are much farther along the addiction road and we know how painful things can and will get.We just don't want you to end up where we are.

Stick around and read,ask questions and gain the knowledge that will help you survive.

[RobOC]

I still remember the first time I got sick. I was on a one week vacation to Big Sky, Montana with four OC 80s and a pill and a half a day habit, mind you that this was a long time ago. I somehow justified my using them very liberally for the first two days or so ,I had enough to stay well for the whole trip, but I wanted to get high. When I thought that I might get sick without them I shrugged it off thinking to myself that; all of my friends were addicted, I wasn't. They got sick, I didn't. After all we had all been using for a few months and I had yet to ever feel a twinge of withdrawal while I watched them whine on a daily basis about how much their legs hurt and how shitty they felt. Not for me though I was gonna be the exception! The one person in the history of the fucking world to take opiates for an extended period of time and not experience withdrawal. Somebody call Guinness. Anyways, to make a long story short I got sick, sick as fuck and it fucking sucked ass. Since then I have had the extreme pleasure of re-kindling that feeling dozens if not hundreds of times. Nobody is trying to demean or insult you. You just happen to have an opportunity to do what most of us fucked off, because bro, I wouldn't wish a bad kick on my worst enemy.

Your gonna do what you want but I swear on everything holy! That if you keep taking norcos or vicodin or whatever it is that you take you will experience a bad kick, and after the first one your fucked. Hook, line, and sinker.

Oh Ya, How do you think that most of us got along our merry little ways down this opiated lifestyle? Speaking for myself it was just a few vicodin 5's here and there. Then I messed up my back, became a chronic pain patient and it's all been friggin' nuts as hell from there on out. So, please just try to heed the advice, your opiate career will be a lot more rewarding and fun if you do.

I am sorry if I came off a little preachy.

[StealSmoke]

how is vocodin any 'better' than heroin? how is it that one 'cannot become strung out on vicodin?' youre talking about. addiction to ecstasy? please... if youve really been taking those vics for years straight you ARE strung out and will find out what physical and mental addiction really are when you are without your opiate long enough.

the only difference between hydrocodone and diacetylmorph is legality and quantity needed to acheive similar effects. promise.

really kid, you dont understand the nature of what youre talking about or messing with...
hehe, so you took oxy straight for a month then stopped and had no withdrawl because you were taking vicodin, genius! vicodin is an opiate, oxy is an opiate, heroin is an opiate. no real difference, they all attach to the same receptors and all cause the same withdrawls and alleviate the same symptoms.

you sir need to do some research. but please do it elsewhere, this just aint the place for you.

while you are a junky you are just too closed minded to fit in this community.

i feel very very sorry for you.
think of us when you finally wake up and realize whats really going on with your opiate addiction.


LOL, YOU, feel sorry for ME? but YOU'RE the one who isa full on JUNKIE, who injects 100's of dollars of heroin into his veins weekly? sorry for ME? who takes vicodin, which i am most of the time prescribed legally? and have only done heroin a handful of times, never IV'D, and am not addicted to it at all(heroin)? but am addicted to vicodin..

lol, let me get this straight, I am a vicodin addict, who takes his medication whic he is prescribed, legally, and once or twice out of every YEAR uses an illegal drug, and you are a heroin addict, who injects needles into his arm, thighs, feet, and shoots up heroin daily for who knows how long..

and you feel sorry for me?

I think you should start adn at the same tiem STOP feeling sorry for yourself, stop injecting yourself with heroin, go to a rehab clinic, and decide and finalize your life on not doing heroin consistently, and you should be fine!

heroin is not "daicetylmorph" unless you get it completely pure, and unless you're in afghanistan or somewhere nearby I doubt that very much, so it is unpure, and unreliable, you never know what batch is cut with what poison. vicodin? that is prescribed to over millions of Americans legally daily, heroin? it isnt prescribed to one single person legally, ever, for many years now, and is illegal to even hold i nyour hand.

and who feels sorry for who?

I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but don't worry about my "addiction" to vicodin, vicodin is something half of the US is addicted to(mayeb not half, but close, lol, a little exaggeration).

to be quite honest, I feel sorry for you, my life is going great, mitsubishi eclipse, girl just got her income tax for 7500 challie wallie! and I won't be stealing and spending any of that on vicodin like I'm sure most heroin junkies would for heroin.

see the difference between me and you?

lol, I feel sorry for YOU pal! honest to God I do!


but to anyone who was only trying to be supportive and/or encourage teh right things, liek not doing drugs at all, I salute you, and thank you for your concern, I hpe we all follow that advice. but to the people who started insulting me afor no reason and making provocative statements for no reason, you are the ones who neeed help ASAP.

besides that, have any of you ever had cancer? if you have ,then you should know "withdrawals" are a piece of cake compared to the pain of cancer, chemo, and radiation.

[JonnyMohawk]

LOL, YOU, feel sorry for ME? but YOU'RE the one who isa full on JUNKIE, who injects 100's of dollars of heroin into his veins weekly? sorry for ME? who takes vicodin, which i am most of the time prescribed legally? and have only done heroin a handful of times, never IV'D, and am not addicted to it at all(heroin)? but am addicted to vicodin..

lol, let me get this straight, I am a vicodin addict, who takes his medication whic he is prescribed, legally, and once or twice out of every YEAR uses an illegal drug, and you are a heroin addict, who injects needles into his arm, thighs, feet, and shoots up heroin daily for who knows how long..

and you feel sorry for me?

I think you should start adn at the same tiem STOP feeling sorry for yourself, stop injecting yourself with heroin, go to a rehab clinic, and decide and finalize your life on not doing heroin consistently, and you should be fine!

heroin is not "daicetylmorph" unless you get it completely pure, and unless you're in afghanistan or somewhere nearby I doubt that very much, so it is unpure, and unreliable, you never know what batch is cut with what poison. vicodin? that is prescribed to over millions of Americans legally daily, heroin? it isnt prescribed to one single person legally, ever, for many years now, and is illegal to even hold i nyour hand.

and who feels sorry for who?

I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but don't worry about my "addiction" to vicodin, vicodin is something half of the US is addicted to(mayeb not half, but close, lol, a little exaggeration).

to be quite honest, I feel sorry for you, my life is going great, mitsubishi eclipse, girl just got her income tax for 7500 challie wallie! and I won't be stealing and spending any of that on vicodin like I'm sure most heroin junkies would for heroin.

see the difference between me and you?

lol, I feel sorry for YOU pal! honest to God I do!


but to anyone who was only trying to be supportive and/or encourage teh right things, liek not doing drugs at all, I salute you, and thank you for your concern, I hpe we all follow that advice. but to the people who started insulting me afor no reason and making provocative statements for no reason, you are the ones who neeed help ASAP.

besides that, have any of you ever had cancer? if you have ,then you should know "withdrawals" are a piece of cake compared to the pain of cancer, chemo, and radiation.

You better fuckin watch yourself buddy.

We don't need people like you (ignorant) here on the board.

Believe it or not heroin and hydrocodone (thats vicodin if you didn't know) are both OPIATES. You are as much of an addict/junkie as any of us.

and yes heroin is diacetylmorphine, whether its cut or not thats what the main ingredient is... You act like your so smart but so far your just showing us you are terribly misinformed or just an idiot.

Careful or you will be on your way out of this board.

We really really don't need you here.

[StealSmoke]

you better watch your fuckin self buddy, these people jumped out of nowhere and insulting me for no reason at all ,I defended myself and you're telling me you don't need MY kind/ no, you don't need THEIR kind, the kind that insults people for no reason, and we dont need YOUR kind, an ignorant frustrated man who likes to thrreaten people for no reeason other than defending themselves while ignoring the peopel who were insulting me for 2 pages straight for NO reason.

you're not even a moderator, I didnt do anythign wrong, so STFU with the threats, you don't haev any right to threaten me, allI did was defend myself against a whole page of insults.

and no, hydrocodone/vicodin is NOT the same thign as heroin, heroin is unpure, and unsafe, and unreliable, vicodin is teh opposite, why don't you look up how many deaths occurr each year due to vicodin and then look up how many deaths occurr each year due to heroin, adn I'll prove who is ignorant and just HOW ignorant you are.

and no, I am not any sort of junky ,I am a vicodin addict, ooooo, so is 25/ths of the American population, I haev never shot myself up wit hany drug, let aloenn illegal drug, adn you are a junky ,because you shoot yourself up daily, illegally, with unpure illegal drugs.

see the difference? me = legal user of vicodin, you = illegal heroin addict who illegally shoots himself up with an illegal drug, illegally.

see the point?

[JonnyMohawk]

you better watch your fuckin self buddy, these people jumped out of nowhere and insulting me for no reason at all ,I defended myself and you're telling me you don't need MY kind/ no, you don't need THEIR kind, the kind that insults people for no reason, and we dont need YOUR kind, an ignorant frustrated man who likes to thrreaten people for no reeason other than defending themselves while ignoring the peopel who were insulting me for 2 pages straight for NO reason.

you're not even a moderator, I didnt do anythign wrong, so STFU with the threats, you don't haev any right to threaten me, allI did was defend myself against a whole page of insults.

and no, hydrocodone/vicodin is NOT the same thign as heroin, heroin is unpure, and unsafe, and unreliable, vicodin is teh opposite, why don't you look up how many deaths occurr each year due to vicodin and then look up how many deaths occurr each year due to heroin, adn I'll prove who is ignorant and just HOW ignorant you are.

and no, I am not any sort of junky ,I am a vicodin addict, ooooo, so is 25/ths of the American population, I haev never shot myself up wit hany drug, let aloenn illegal drug, adn you are a junky ,because you shoot yourself up daily, illegally, with unpure illegal drugs.

see the difference? me = legal user of vicodin, you = illegal heroin addict who illegally shoots himself up with an illegal drug, illegally.

see the point?

You see you show your ignorance again.


Your presume that I shoot up dope, when in fact I don't.

Go ahead and keep on pretending that you arent a junkie... just because your 'dope' is prescribed to you... Like I said you are a junky in denial.

Oh well.

[lunchbox]

StealSmoke I am really convinced that you don't wanna be a part of this community now so either step up or step out

[drkstarcrashes]

This whole thread is giving me the vibe of the old head's in AA that think you're a piece of shit cause you are an 'addict'...30 straight days of OCs w/ out w/d...one of these days i'm gonna figure out how to do this - write a book - and retire

[StealSmoke]

You see you show your ignorance again.


Your presume that I shoot up dope, when in fact I don't.

Go ahead and keep on pretending that you arent a junkie... just because your 'dope' is prescribed to you... Like I said you are a junky in denial.

Oh well.


ignorance? how in the world was I ignorant? I betchu I can find posts of yours about IV'ing heroin,. wanna bet?

even if not, you still cam off liek a complete dickhead, I didnt insult anybody, I spoke my opinion, and that was that, didnt insult anybody, only said that people who claiemd addiction after 2 or three lines of heroin were not addicted, they only wanted more, and peopel who claiemd to be physically addicted after 5 tries are, infact, shallow and weak and don't have control of their ownselves.

bottom line, watch your mouthes, I didnt insult one person, I haev shown the utmost respect ,the only people who could haev taken offense by what I said are IMO the worst tyep of scum o nth eplanet, because I said absolutely nothing degrading nor insulting, yet you all started insulting me with no cause or reason, which tells me you are very mean spirited and mean hearted individuals who are downright evil, slfish, and take your frustrations out on others, instea of on yourself.

lunchbox, you have no right to order me to leave or stay, if you don't like me, too bad, I ddnt say anything to anybody, just ebcasue we have a difference in opinion doesnt mean yours is right. infact, I am 90% positive that MINE is right about this, and only a true hopeless junkie would sdisagree.

fact of the matetr is you gottta stop blaming this "disease", that's like someone with herpes, who knew the girl he was going to sleep with had herpes, he knew it, but he still proceeded to have sex with her many times, and then he was infected by this "disease", its his/your own fault.

and yes, for the vicodin, itis more or less my fault too, but vicodin doesnt break you out in sores , kill you, or completely ruin your life like heroin does with constant use.

I see you showed your ignorance by not replying with the statistics of heroin deaths and vicodin deaths, lol, if you would have posted them, you would have embarassed yourself.

and yes I do swear to God I binged on oxy's that month, around 30 of them, and after running out felt barely any withdrawal. mayeb it's my ystem,, like I siad, I had cancer a few years back, so withdrawals arent really shit compared to CANCER, CHEMOTHERAPY, and RADIATION. now TAHT'S a "disease" "sickness", fuck a self brought on dependance.

[Duckfeet]

Yeah: easy does it everybody...sometimes we just have to remember we got all kinds of people on here, from ex-convict robbin' and stealin' lowlife heroin fixing lowlifes (I'm one), to nice old retired librarians that just got some extra vicodins from their doc this week(I'm one'a them too, LOL)...and sometimes new people post without realizing we generally get along all right, and then other people crash down on them, and a war starts...but it's not worth it...in the end we're all opiate lovers (and opiate haters, at times) and no need to fight...we got enuff crap out there going against us without dragging it on here...Nick said it rite...no need for the other...

[lunchbox]

who the fuck do you think you're talking to man you don't know anyone here enough to claim what you're saying is true shut the fuck up

besides 30 oxys in a month is fucking nothing to say to your tolerance i'm not surprised you didn't withdraw from that

[JonnyMohawk]

and yes, for the vicodin, itis more or less my fault too, but vicodin doesnt break you out in sores , kill you, or completely ruin your life like heroin does with constant use.


Unfortunately thats exactly where it can lead. What do you think the difference between heroin and vicodin is? They are both opiate/opiod agonists. They both have close to the same effect except for the strength of each other.

I really am tired of a newby coming in here acting like he knows everything and you don't, its not even worth the argument.

Duck is right and I am done fighting with you.

and the ignore button is the next stop after this post.

[kevin]

Assuming everybody on this board is a straight up junkie that shoots up $100/heroin a day is retarded. Seriously, if you want advice, you don't just jump on people that disagree with you. You may not have straight up insulted a single individual, but your antagonism toward junkies is telling. If you keep responding and talking like you're better than the rest of us because your habit isn't as serious, nobody's going to want to talk to you. So cut the bullshit and stop digging yourself in deeper and stop while you're ahead.

[strikks]

wow???????!!!!!!@@@@#####

[TOOL]

Calm down..... damn no wonder it took me so long to become a member here, as the screening process shows it's needed, this is crazy I lurked here for months before and I know this is a great place with good people who care, just don't bullshit them or yourself, If you don't have tough skin or can't handle others opinions, this place will be bad for you.

[blackdog]

yeah!! what they said!!:rolleyes:

[OxyContinuously]

to the original poster


instead of yelling and screaming, which by the way is neither "cool," nor "tuff", and impresses no one, try to understand the message behind what these folks are saying which is: hydrocodone is an opiate, just as addictive as heroin, or any other, legal or otherwise, and it is extremely possible to have just as bad a habit with prescribed vicodin, as it is to have one w/ "street heroin," for example.

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