F*&$ Kroger Pharmacy!!!

[krinkov]

I went to my doc's today to get my scripts refilled. Well, he informs me that the pharmacist at the Kroger I used for my last refill called him and showed "concern" that I was being over medicated with my painkillers. Who the FUCK is this idiot!! If he wanted to be a doctor, then why did he become a Pharmacist?? WTF right does he have to tell my doctor how he thinks I should be treated???? Now because of this, my doctor wants to taper down my usage! DAMMIT!!!!! I am very pissed right now!!! I got cut down from 60 30mg Roxy's to 30 15mg. I still have my Fent patches at 100mcg/h, but damn!! Nothing like "tapering". :(

[GoddessofRATs]

Oh that sucks. Fricking pharmacists. That sucks. That is none of his fucking business how your Doctor treats you. That makes me so damn mad.'

I'm so sorry your having to deal with this. Fuck going from 60 30mg roxi's to 30 of the 15's, WHAT???? You gotta be kidding me.

Sucks.

GOR

[JonnyMohawk]

If I were you I would tell your doctor that what the pharmacist says doesn't make much of a difference because you are in PAIN, and if he int willing to treat it properly that you don't mind taking your business elsewhere and finding a new doctor (even if that is an empty threat). People seem to forget that they work for you, you pay them money and they provide a service... you should have a say in what happens, after all it is your pain.

Also you could always say next time you go in that you are no loner getting relief from your break through meds and that you are in terrible pain. If he doesn't do anything then thats when I would start busting out the "I may start looking for a new doctor that can adequately treat my pain card" card.

[Thanat0s]

you did have it coming...
pigs go to slaughter...

[nick]

I keep saying this because it's true-a good pharmacist is worth his weight in dope.


Go burn his pharmacy down K...............that's a joke,don't do this.

[JonnyMohawk]

I keep saying this because it's true-a good pharmacist is worth his weight in dope.


Go burn his pharmacy down K...............that's a joke,don't do this.

Of course don't do this, but hypothetically if you were to use gloves and fill a large glass bottle almost to the brim with a mixture of either and lighter fluid, then stick a rag about 3 inches down into the bottle. Anyways thats all hypothetical... Don't do it ;)

[SpecialGuy69]

you did have it coming...
pigs go to slaughter...

yep. We are on the same wavelength today. Oh and if your gonna make a molotov coctail, try half and half hydrogen peroxide and acetone. Makes acetone peroxide, a HIGHLY explosive compound. But you wouldnt want to waste good reagents and solvents on Krogers...

[OxyContinuously]

Krinkov what's goin on brotha??

first off that pharmacist's job is to fill the meds according to the doctor and to SHUT THE FUCK UP...no one wants his input; no one CARES...he's not ur doctor for crying out loud...


And what the hell is ur doc smoking bro?? In the blink of an eye he cut u from 60 30's a month to 30 15's???

that's going from 1800 milligrams a month to 450 milligrams....SOmething is not right with this picture...it doesn't make ANY sense, and that's not good...it follows no logic whatsoever, u follow me??

[mollywopped]

I would definitely go back to Kroger and talk to the manager or whoever is in charge there. Then I would call the corporate offices and complain and call the state pharmacy board. That pharmacist has no idea what is wrong with you. You could have a hang nail or you could have stage 4 cancer and have 3 months to live, he has no idea and it is none of his business. His job is to fill pill bottles and tell you that you need to take 1 pill, 3 times per day. That's it, a fuckin' monkey could be a pharmacist nowadays, it's not like back in the day when they actually made drugs and had to know a thing or 2.

[jab]

Not saying this is bad advice, but I would think twice before following it. If you go raise hell at Kroger it might feel good, it might get the guy in some trouble (most likely not though, as he'll just say he was trying to help a pill abuser), but in the end they MIGHT just call the doctor again and get you cut off for good.

Good luck and be safe!

I would definitely go back to Kroger and talk to the manager or whoever is in charge there. Then I would call the corporate offices and complain and call the state pharmacy board. That pharmacist has no idea what is wrong with you. You could have a hang nail or you could have stage 4 cancer and have 3 months to live, he has no idea and it is none of his business. His job is to fill pill bottles and tell you that you need to take 1 pill, 3 times per day. That's it, a fuckin' monkey could be a pharmacist nowadays, it's not like back in the day when they actually made drugs and had to know a thing or 2.

[limitless_euphoria]

I went to my doc's today to get my scripts refilled. Well, he informs me that the pharmacist at the Kroger I used for my last refill called him and showed "concern" that I was being over medicated with my painkillers. Who the FUCK is this idiot!! If he wanted to be a doctor, then why did he become a Pharmacist?? WTF right does he have to tell my doctor how he thinks I should be treated???? Now because of this, my doctor wants to taper down my usage! DAMMIT!!!!! I am very pissed right now!!! I got cut down from 60 30mg Roxy's to 30 15mg. I still have my Fent patches at 100mcg/h, but damn!! Nothing like "tapering". :(

I amost wonder if it's better for some people to fill their regular pain meds at one pharmacy and then their break-thru meds elsewhere.

Maybe if you were only getting the roxis at one place and the fent patches at another it wouldn't be as sketchy. There's no law against doing that—as long as you're not forging a script you know!

Bottom line: if it were me I'd find someway to repremand that pharmacist. It's none of his business. The only right he has is NOT to fill your script or to verify that he's reading it properly. I'd find someone to appeal to—get it filled the way he changed it than bitch that it doesn't address your pain as it should. You could probably make a big stink and see if you can go up the food chain at Kroger. IDK what exactly will work but I know if it were me I wouldn't stand for that shit just on principle. This is all IF IT WERE ME please understand you obviously handle it as you see fit.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

DIDN'T SOMEONE WARN YOU ABOUT THIS HAPPENING? Oh well, at least you have your fent, wear more, smoke less. Do you have a mom & pop parm in your area? go there.

[eveline]

Bottom line: if it were me I'd find someway to repremand that pharmacist. It's none of his business. The only right he has is NOT to fill your script or to verify that he's reading it properly. I'd find someone to appeal to—get it filled the way he changed it than bitch that it doesn't address your pain as it should. You could probably make a big stink and see if you can go up the food chain at Kroger.

I'm not saying the situation doesn't suck, Krinkov, and I'm not targeting you either, LE, but pharmacists get no respect and it isn't fair. They go to at least 6 years of school, they have a doctorate--they ARE doctors. It was definitely within this pharmacist's right to call the doctor to discuss your healthcare (the pharmacist didn't change his Rx, the doctor did). BUT it's your right to go find a pharmacist who doesn't get a kick out of picking out abusers (I worked with pharmacists who refused to fill any C-IIs if they weren't at their home store--this is not OK).

Let me try to say this again--a pharmacist knows drugs and how to dose them BETTER than a doctor. Pharmacists do not get paid $70k+ to put pills in a bottle. An apathetic pharmacist who uncritically fills anything put in front of him is a shitty pharmacist--there are plenty of old people whose lives get saved every day because the pharmacist called the dr. on wrong directions, dosages, combinations of drugs.

The real problem here is, like always, prohibition. Pharmacists don't want to fill controlled substances any more than doctors want to prescribe them, and for the same reasons. Most pharmacists look at anybody who gets multiple C-IIs very skeptically (doesn't help how much paperwork they require). A lot of pharmacists power trip on finding fake scripts, doctor shoppers, etc. None of this is cool. But the problem here is not a pharmacist trying to question an all-knowing doctor (that's his job), the problem is a pharmacist trying to be a cop just because it's exciting to catch dirty scum junkies. See the difference?

*gets ready to dodge objects thrown at her*

[Suboxstitute]

It does suck.

Most doctors are already nervous about prescribing schedule II meds and then to have a pharmacist notice their scripting habbits ... OMG.. the doc's freakin' out a bit right there already.

If the meds were coming from two or three different doctors, I could see the pharmacist calling to ensure the doctors know that you're getting a total amount of "x" drugs.... to keep you safe from O'D ing. I think that is part of their job, to watch for interactions or multiple scripts from different doctors (even if not doctor shopping, etc.)

But if they all are scripted by the same doctor or clinic, then I do think it is bullshit. The doctor wants to "comply" in the eyes of the pharmacist by cutting your dose on the breakthru meds.

Now that it's happened already, I don't have any bright ideas for you ---- switch pharmacies on principle.

But a switch likely won't change the doctor's newfound "fear" that he is scripting you too much.

I am truly sorry for you, buddy. It sucks the big one.

[mikells43]

what an ass. i have had pharmicists refuse to fill scripts. only cause they were concerned about my health. and i have had pharmicists that are just as crooked as i was. but thats crap what he did to u. they have a corporate office that u can call here:

To contact Kroger with your comments or questions:

E-mail us by clicking into our Customer Comments form (http://services.kroger.com/comments/comments.aspx).
Call us at: 1-866-221-4141u might also want to contact a lawyer too . cause that could be a possible suit that u could benifit financially from;).

[Chicago]

YES EXACTLY.
I hope someone made a mistake, b/c that drop is way to much of a drop, but if it is true, I WOULD CAL IN 72HRS FROM WHEN STARTING YOUR NEW DOSE,SO U DO NOT SEEM LIKE U ARE A DRUG SEEKER, WHICH GIVES U ENUFF TIME FOR THE LAST HIGH DOSE TO WEAR OFF & THE NEW DOSE NOT TO BE CUTTING IT & TELL UR DR. U R IN SOME SERIOUS PAIN & CAN NOT TAKE IT & DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO GO TO THE ER.
I THINK THIS WILL WORK.
AS WELL TAKE UR BUSN ELSE WHERE W/THE PHARMS.

Krinkov what's goin on brotha??

first off that pharmacist's job is to fill the meds according to the doctor and to SHUT THE FUCK UP...no one wants his input; no one CARES...he's not ur doctor for crying out loud...


And what the hell is ur doc smoking bro?? In the blink of an eye he cut u from 60 30's a month to 30 15's???

that's going from 1800 milligrams a month to 450 milligrams....SOmething is not right with this picture...it doesn't make ANY sense, and that's not good...it follows no logic whatsoever, u follow me??

[limitless_euphoria]

I'm not saying the situation doesn't suck, Krinkov, and I'm not targeting you either, LE, but pharmacists get no respect and it isn't fair. They go to at least 6 years of school, they have a doctorate--they ARE doctors. It was definitely within this pharmacist's right to call the doctor to discuss your healthcare (the pharmacist didn't change his Rx, the doctor did). BUT it's your right to go find a pharmacist who doesn't get a kick out of picking out abusers (I worked with pharmacists who refused to fill any C-IIs if they weren't at their home store--this is not OK).

Let me try to say this again--a pharmacist knows drugs and how to dose them BETTER than a doctor. Pharmacists do not get paid $70k+ to put pills in a bottle. An apathetic pharmacist who uncritically fills anything put in front of him is a shitty pharmacist--there are plenty of old people whose lives get saved every day because the pharmacist called the dr. on wrong directions, dosages, combinations of drugs.

The real problem here is, like always, prohibition. Pharmacists don't want to fill controlled substances any more than doctors want to prescribe them, and for the same reasons. Most pharmacists look at anybody who gets multiple C-IIs very skeptically (doesn't help how much paperwork they require). A lot of pharmacists power trip on finding fake scripts, doctor shoppers, etc. None of this is cool. But the problem here is not a pharmacist trying to question an all-knowing doctor (that's his job), the problem is a pharmacist trying to be a cop just because it's exciting to catch dirty scum junkies. See the difference?

*gets ready to dodge objects thrown at her*

No, no objects thrown at you. I actually respect what you're saying—if you didn't specify you worked with one, I'd have to ask would you be a pharmacist or related to one by chance? :)

I mean, what would you say about a pharmacist who is Catholic and who won't fill teenage Suzy's prescription of Othrocyclin (sp)? While pharmacists have the right to "cut" a script back to a certain # of pills for legal or whatever other purposes and they can flat out refuse to fill a script for a variety of reasons can they start becoming the moral police? This is what I think you're trying to get at, correct?

I'll give respect where respect is due; they do have to go through a lot of schooling as do doctors. My question lies in this: DOES the pharmacist just look at it like, "Hmm, that's a buttload of medication—maybe I'd better say something to the doc," or does he KNOW what the nature of the patient's pain is.

If he knows and he's questioning, I'll almost concede that perhaps he does have the right to raise legit questions. However, if he just targets people who get anything less than a small amount of good C-II meds, then honestly he might as well wear one of those baseball caps that say “I'm the DEA's Bitch” on them. Just my humble view of course.

Now you see what I'm sayin'? I was never disputing that pharmacists aren't educated and perhaps the story is going to be told with an inherent bias towards the teller of the story as it does garner some sympathy by nature of what happened. I'm just questioning if this is going to become a trend and all these guys are going to collude so that—God forbid—any one person besides stage 4 cancer patients get any good narcotics! That's my question for the long term. I guess we'll wait and see.

[GoddessofRATs]

Same here, i totally respect what your saying about pharmacist but that being said there are some out there that are a bit nosey or are just assholes. I've never encountered a problem with a pharmacist, I've been really lucky with this. Probably because i always befriend the pharmacist but talking to them, asking about their family etc. I make a connection with them. But, that isn't just to make sure i have no problems with my scripts, I'm just naturally friendly like that.

GOR

[Chicago]

IT ALSO depends in how big of a city u live in Gor, b/c in Chicago there are so many people in line when I pick up my scripts, they probally only if lucky remember the old folks who ask alot of questions.
Only time when I get remembered is when, the same pharmacist keeps serving me the same pack of needles every few days, then they end up handing me the free red dissposable needle box, so when they add up to throw them away safe.

Same here, i totally respect what your saying about pharmacist but that being said there are some out there that are a bit nosey or are just assholes. I've never encountered a problem with a pharmacist, I've been really lucky with this. Probably because i always befriend the pharmacist but talking to them, asking about their family etc. I make a connection with them. But, that isn't just to make sure i have no problems with my scripts, I'm just naturally friendly like that.

GOR

[eveline]

Gonna switch around your paragraphs here to respond...

No, no objects thrown at you. I actually respect what you're saying—if you didn't specify you worked with one, I'd have to ask would you be a pharmacist or related to one by chance? :)

You got me... ;) I'm a pharmacy tech. Hopefully in a few more years I'll be a pharmacist.

I'll give respect where respect is due; they do have to go through a lot of schooling as do doctors. My question lies in this: DOES the pharmacist just look at it like, "Hmm, that's a buttload of medication—maybe I'd better say something to the doc," or does he KNOW what the nature of the patient's pain is.

No, the pharmacist doesn't know how much pain you have... (Actually, technically speaking, neither does the doctor, since pain isn't measured by any tests.) But when a pharmacist calls a doctor, the doctor can (and often does) totally shoot down the pharmacist, saying "No, this is the dosage I intended, thanks." They're both part of your healthcare though, so they work together. I know that sounds lame but it's true.

The fucked-up part is that because of the War on Drugs (not just fear of the DEA but all the stigmatization too), the doctor and the pharmacist are not looking out for your health anymore, i.e. treating your pain. They should be worried that you're undertreated, not that you might be getting high.

I mean, what would you say about a pharmacist who is Catholic and who won't fill teenage Suzy's prescription of Othrocyclin (sp)? While pharmacists have the right to "cut" a script back to a certain # of pills for legal or whatever other purposes and they can flat out refuse to fill a script for a variety of reasons can they start becoming the moral police? This is what I think you're trying to get at, correct?

I think it's kind of artificial and sleazy to tell someone to separate morality from their job, including pharmacists (I'm an atheist BTW, and it kind of breaks my heart when a woman whispers like it's some kind of shameful thing, "Do you have the morning-after pill?"). If a pharmacist won't fill your script or sell something to you, you can always go elsewhere. (Don't want to get into the politics of this--I understand how complicated it is and I'm not really decided on the issue myself.)

I just don't think whether someone is getting high IS in any way a moral issue. It's a big (HUGE) con by the DEA that anyone should ever equate other people's drug habits with morality. I don't want to take away doctors' or pharmacists' RIGHT not to give you painkillers, I just want them to get their priorities (1. treating you) straight.

Anyway, basically I do agree with you all... I just don't like hearing people (not just here, not just about controlled substances) say "Who does that pharmacist think he is? A doctor? Why doesn't he just put my pills in a bottle and STFU?" Your medications, insofar as they relate to your healthcare, absolutely are the pharmacist's business (and sorry, there is NO way you'll get anywhere with a lawsuit). Your pharmacist is just an asshole because he wants to stop you from getting high, which has nothing to do with your healthcare. When I'm a pharmacist I'll fill all your C-IIs (unless they're fake) but not because I'll act like the "overpaid cashier" I supposedly am. It'll be because I don't have a thing against druggies. :D

[Boudica]

I have a few things to say: This is so wrong. However, not knowing any of your pain history, it makes it hard to ascertain exactly where this pharmacist is coming from. However, it is my DR, that is doing the prescribing, NOT the fucking pharmacist. What Nick says is oh so true: a good pharmacist is like finding the Holy Grail.

I live in a tiny mountain community, with one pharmacy in the whole of the town. You could call it a "mom and pop" type, I'd say. The head honcho pharmacist there has known me for over ten years, knows all about my medical conditions, and knows just how fucking painful they are. He has seen me in pain so bad I was suicidal. Seriously. He knows that I do indeed require these drugs to live a half-way decent life, and knows that all the stuff I am being rx'd by my Dr. is entirely valid. He knows that I do not fill at any other pharmacy, ever, and orders what my Dr. rx's, if he doesn't have it in at the time. The longest I've ever had to wait was 2 days. He then keeps all my meds in stock for me, has them filled and ready to roll out the door on refill day, knowing that my caretaker will be coming in with my new scripts for the month. They are all C2 meds.

And not once, has my Dr. been called, to discuss my "treatment" and why I require the meds that I do. Everybody just does their job, does it exceedingly well, and I don't have to stress on it.

I have some very mixed feelings going on here, as I said, I don't know your background, but to get cut back that drastically, with no warning, could put you in real trouble. I'm talking lawsuit territory here, with this "pharmacist" being the first one I'd hit, and hit hard. Nobody has any right to fuck up my already difficult life, and the same applies to you, I am presuming.

Best advice I can give: Stand up for yourself, no matter what. Swallow fear, pride, all that shite that prevents you from speaking out in your behalf and self-preservation. Life is too short to just hand it over to some moron who works for Kroger.

*My pharmacist is a godsend, and I appreciate him with all I've got.

[Cherry's Jubilee]

That is seriously fucked up and a violation of patient privacy rights. I'm going to go off for a second but bear with me--I work in the health care system and a recent change to HIPAA, which was originally designed to protect patient confidentiality, removed your right to informed consent. If you're interested, read this, check out the website, and sign the petition. If not, skip it and accept my apology for such a long post from a newbie with zero credibility. This just seemed like the right place to put it...:o
CHILLING NEWS ABOUT HEALTH PRIVACY:
You Have None.

Is there anything in your health record that you would not want to share with others? Prescriptions, depression, cancer, long-ago abortions, AIDS or HIV, testing for the Alzheimer gene, your child’s Autism or ADD, sexual impotency prescriptions, hospital admissions, or anything else?
You assume your most personal health information is private, right? It's not.
Like most Americans, you probably believe:

What you tell your doctor is totally private
If you sign "privacy notices" at a doctor's office, a pharmacy, a hospital or a lab, your health records will not be used or disclosed without your permission
No one can look at your sensitive health records, prescriptions or tests without your permission NONE of these assumptions are true. Your right to decide who can see and use your sensitive, personal health information was eliminated in 2003.
How Did This Happen?
The decision to kill your right to consent was made by the current administration's appointed officials, not Congress or any elected official directly accountable to voters. Your right to control the use and disclosure of your personal health information was eliminated in 2003 by regulatory changes made to HIPAA, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. HIPAA is a complex 1,500 page set of rules covering things such as the transfer of health insurance when you change jobs.
The changes mean that hundreds of thousands of strangers, as well as employers, can use your health records for reasons that have nothing to do with your treatment or improving your health care.
Most people have no idea that basic patient privacy rights have been taken away. Your right to decide who can see and use your sensitive, personal medical information was eliminated in 2003.
The Privacy Notices (http://www.patientprivacyrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Privacy_Notices) you sign each time you seek medical care are actually Disclosure Notices.Read the fine print: it says
it says your medical records will be shared without your knowledge or permission.
Your medical records are open to use by over 4 million for-profit corporations. These businesses datamine your health records to sell drugs, services, or insurance to increase their profits - uses that have nothing to do with your health care or payment.
Many employers see and use employee health records. In fact, 35% of Fortune 500 companies admit to using medical records for hiring and promotions (65 Fed. Reg. 82,467). Should your diagnosis or a family member's illness affect your job or income?
Congress is drafting laws now to build a national health information network allowing all of your healthy care providers--including pharmacists) access to every American’s health records without adequate privacy safeguards. The elimination of consent is not only wrong, it will insidiously, but surely, destroy the healthcare system. As Americans realize they lost the right to control access to their personal health information, they will avoid medical treatment. This is just wrong.
No one should have to choose between privacy and health. Here is the link:
http://www.patientprivacyrights.org/site/PageServer

[limitless_euphoria]

I just don't think whether someone is getting high IS in any way a moral issue. It's a big (HUGE) con by the DEA that anyone should ever equate other people's drug habits with morality. I don't want to take away doctors' or pharmacists' RIGHT not to give you painkillers, I just want them to get their priorities (1. treating you) straight.

Anyway, basically I do agree with you all... I just don't like hearing people (not just here, not just about controlled substances) say "Who does that pharmacist think he is? A doctor? Why doesn't he just put my pills in a bottle and STFU?" Your medications, insofar as they relate to your healthcare, absolutely are the pharmacist's business (and sorry, there is NO way you'll get anywhere with a lawsuit). Your pharmacist is just an asshole because he wants to stop you from getting high, which has nothing to do with your healthcare. When I'm a pharmacist I'll fill all your C-IIs (unless they're fake) but not because I'll act like the "overpaid cashier" I supposedly am. It'll be because I don't have a thing against druggies. :D

You hit the nail right on the head! They are intelligent people but the underlying question is: do they have an agenda at hand that denies pain patients their rights or inpinges upon them in any fashion.

I guess it's good that there is some communication for integrity purposes (although I'm sure there's somebody reading this that's gotten busted fordging a script). On the other hand, the pharmacist is neither God nor a force that should be making the moral choices in your life. He or she should be doing their job, making sure you are as informed about all your medication as necessary and make sure there's no dangerous interactoins.

He/she should also be entitled to verity certain "unclear" aspects of scripts (as in sloppy handwriting). I'm not an unreasonable guy; I just see Americans losing rights every day to the beurocracy! It just blows IMO. End of story.

[jonny-5]

PM me this pharmacies phone number and the pharmacists name please.

[mollywopped]

I'm not saying the situation doesn't suck, Krinkov, and I'm not targeting you either, LE, but pharmacists get no respect and it isn't fair. They go to at least 6 years of school, they have a doctorate--they ARE doctors. It was definitely within this pharmacist's right to call the doctor to discuss your healthcare (the pharmacist didn't change his Rx, the doctor did). BUT it's your right to go find a pharmacist who doesn't get a kick out of picking out abusers (I worked with pharmacists who refused to fill any C-IIs if they weren't at their home store--this is not OK).

Let me try to say this again--a pharmacist knows drugs and how to dose them BETTER than a doctor. Pharmacists do not get paid $70k+ to put pills in a bottle. An apathetic pharmacist who uncritically fills anything put in front of him is a shitty pharmacist--there are plenty of old people whose lives get saved every day because the pharmacist called the dr. on wrong directions, dosages, combinations of drugs.

The real problem here is, like always, prohibition. Pharmacists don't want to fill controlled substances any more than doctors want to prescribe them, and for the same reasons. Most pharmacists look at anybody who gets multiple C-IIs very skeptically (doesn't help how much paperwork they require). A lot of pharmacists power trip on finding fake scripts, doctor shoppers, etc. None of this is cool. But the problem here is not a pharmacist trying to question an all-knowing doctor (that's his job), the problem is a pharmacist trying to be a cop just because it's exciting to catch dirty scum junkies. See the difference?

*gets ready to dodge objects thrown at her*

I am not going to throw objects and actually like that somebody took the other side of this.

But I will have to respectfully disagree. The pharmacist's job is to fill prescriptions (the way I said it before was a bit disrespectful, but I was annoyed) and to make sure that there are not going to be any interactions between the drugs you are taking that are going to kill you. They should also call the doctor and ask if the prescription says 1200 tabs or take 20 tabs, 30 times per day. The mistake probably wouldn't be that obvious, but they should be calling to check for mistakes and to validate funny looking scripts.

They should not be calling and criticizing what the doctor has prescribed or how much. Yes, the pharmacist does know more about drugs, but he does not know what the patients ailments are or the severity of them. Taking 2 or even 3 different narcotic meds is not going to kill an opiate tolerant person. So somebody that comes in to fill say 3 scripts for fent pathches, roxi's and maybe even vicodin too, for example, should not be treated like a junky and the doctor shouldn't have to justify why he gave his patient these meds. Now if there was some type of interaction that could cause serious harm, then by all means, call. But with opiates, there is not. Opiates don't interect with opiates (unless taken in amounts high enough to OD), so opiate tolerant people with severe pain may need several different kinds.

Again, the pharmacist doesn't know what is wrong, the guy who he just called about and shamed, scared or threatened his doc into decreasing his dose, may have cancer and a few months left or he may have some sort of debilitating pain and taking a lot of opiates is the only way he can get out of bed. Pharmacists may know more about drugs, but they have no idea what is wrong with this person or how bad his pain is. Either way, as long as the script is correct and legit and there is not going to be any drug interactions, it is not his business why or how much the patient is getting.

[SpecialGuy69]

wouldnt you call the doctor if this guy showed up with a script for fent & roxis?
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I would.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

wouldnt you call the doctor if this guy showed up with a script for fent & roxis?
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I would.

LOL-I would too- BUT tell him he needed a dosage INCREASE

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

wouldnt you call the doctor if this guy showed up with a script for fent & roxis?
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I would.

LMFAO!! :cheeky2:

[Synack]

sue the fuck out of them.

also, go in - raise hell, each fucking day. Picket them. Get this guy fired... demand they get this fixed. You "need" you medication, they don't know your ailment. fuck'em.. raise hell..

[Princess]

OMG! Don't know how I missed this one...

I would talk to the Pharmacy Manager and even the Store Manager. I would have the Pharmacy Mgr call the doc's office and apologize for his employee being an asshole. If it were, by chance, the Pharmacy Mgr that called the doctor to begin with, the store mgr would be the next step. Call and complain to corporate. Raise HELL.

That pisses me off! I also get fent patches and either roxi's, morphine or perc 10/325's (and I get 120 a month of my break-thru meds)...on my Walgreens print out for every script, under "comments", it says "NEED MEDICAL CONDITION(S)" ...in other words they have no fucking idea what's wrong with me. I'd say noneya anyway (none of your buisness).

That's not a taper...that's fucking punishment!

[CIIORNOTHING]

Wow, I think Id find a new Pharm and let it go. Be patient and work your doctor back to the desired levels. Im not sure Id raise a big stink. The louder and more you fight it, the more you may sound like an addict and less like a patient IMHO.

Im sorry that happened to you. I fear that all the time because Im now currently on 120 10mg Perc's and 60 30mg Kadians, plus about once every couple of months I hit the urgent care and get 30 Norco 10's. I try to switch up Pharmacies and sometimes pay cash rather than file insurance. I just keep my fingers crossed they dont jam me up on it.

Good luck bro.

[Raz]

LMFAO!! :cheeky2:
So thats where you've been all these years pop!!! Mum said those Drugs would get to you in the end...
By the way aunty Mabel caught her left tit in the mangle and cousin willy is gettin married to aunty Sue,will we see ya at the weddin?
Your ever luvin son Bubba....

[reddragon3668]

That sucks! I have heard of this kind of thing happening, but have never had it happen to me. I go to a mom and pop shop and never have any trouble. If pharmacies stopped filling controlled substances, there would be allot of pharmacist out of work. I don't think my pharmacist would deny one of my scripts unless it was blatantly obvious that something was wrong. They make allot of money on me every month.

Sorry to hear of this bullshit, krinkov. Hope you can get it sorted out soon!

[Boudica]

I am so freaked-out by the (very valuable) info that Sicily posted (thank you, btw). You would think that someone like me, who's been dealing with the "health care system" bigtime for yada yada years, would have known about this, but I did not.

I am avid about sharing my PRIVATE personal, health, rx history, without my consent to do so. I consider this a serious violation of our human rights, robs us of our dignity and right to be treated with respect.

Thank you, for making me aware of something so important. Knowledge is power. Without it, we are simply sitting ducks.

[limitless_euphoria]

wouldnt you call the doctor if this guy showed up with a script for fent & roxis?
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I would.

But they could get hit with a discrimination law-suit with the quickness. Think about how litigious everyone is nowadays. I mean I guess if he had been flagged for passing bogus scripts before or if he had multiple C-II's by multiple docs filled there then perhaps it's intervention time for said pharmacist. But, w/o the guy knowing the nature of the patient's pain... wtf biz is it of his to question the doctor. Doesn't HIPPA (sp?) prevent against confidential information being shared w/o your signature and/or verbal consent. Am I missing something?

I don't know; every time "Big Brother" gets to meddle into our lives and tell us what's good for us and what's not my concern just keeps on growing that we're shifting away from a true democracy.

I mean, voting for Ron Paul is awesome and all, but can enough people see this in time? I don't know, I hate being a pessamist but somehow it was kind of like hoping for Ralph Nadar in the 2000 election. I hate to say it but every vote for Nadar was a vote taken from Gore and ultimately helped Bush. Okay, I'm not going to digress into politicis here. If Gore had only made it in however, there wouldn't be as much of a mess to clean up is what I'm thinking.

[SpecialGuy69]

I'm just saying if i was the pharmacist, and some dildo walked in looking like that, I wouldn't want MY name on his bottle of roxis!

[Raz]

I'm just saying if i was the pharmacist, and some dildo walked in looking like that, I wouldn't want MY name on his bottle of roxis!
Maybe the pharmacist was protectin his own arse...If his motive was harm reduction ,then he's a good guy.But any other motive makes him an interferin wanker who should keep the fuck out of his custumers business...
I would tell your Dr that you had an argument with the pharm,which is why he stuck his big fuckin nose in your medical business.Make it personal, not medical.....Raz

[limitless_euphoria]

I'm just saying if i was the pharmacist, and some dildo walked in looking like that, I wouldn't want MY name on his bottle of roxis!

No I get the joke about the photo but unless it's track marks or something else just discriminating against someone because of their skin color, hairstyle, tattoos etc. can get you in a lot of trouble in today's PC society. I mean, I don't have a picture of myself up but for a while with my long hair and stuff I looked pretty scary. I mean, I'm also a fairly large dude but I mean I could walk over to a pay phone in Hartford let's say one that was being monopolized by some blinged out homie, and he would step off b/c he wasn't quite sure what to make of me. I enjoyed it actually.

But yeah, I mean I guess if someone has tracks galore, they are incoherent and strung-out-lookin' and whatever else they probably could throw together some kind of case for not filling the script or calling the doctor or what have you. I don't know. It just seems like you either need to have cancer or be really old to not be judged anywhere near as much as people with CP that are younger or who, on the surface, look like they might be okay or just faking it.

IDK the world just makes me sad nowadays. :(

[pharmboy]

Sorry to hear about you getting flaged Krinkov, but I thought

you were going a little to fast there and maybe pushing your

Dr. a little to fast. Slow down for a while, time heals all.

[SpecialGuy69]

I've actually seen people at the pharmacy, collecting money from different people to get the cash up to fill their scripts. Its such obvious diversion I was shocked that the pharmacist did NOT refuse to fill- I guess he was too busy to notice, but I sure did.

I'm not saying K was doing something this retarded, but it could be a million things- like:
-being obviously NOT in pain (i.e. jumping around, picking up your kids in the store, bending over real fast, etc)
-appearing to be overmedicated, being too eager to get your shit (or too specific about what you want- I'm guilty of this one- SANDOZ patches, Name Brand OC's, generic FOOTBALL xannies, BLUE roxis, ONLY, tyvm)
-showing obvious evidence of illicit drug use (having coke boogers on your nose/smelling like weed, tracks, etc)
-something in your records (like krinkov's many recent pharma scores- I think this is the case here)
-just being a dick/pissing off the pharmacist
-just something about you the pharmacist doesnt like (maybe you look like the guy who's fuckin his girl)
-the wind blows the wrong way

Point is, pharmacists are allowed to refuse to fill CII's especially, and they do not have to cite ANY reason. They cant get in trouble for discrimination, etc if they cite no reason. Their name is on your bottle of pills, and it CAN come back on them if you do something retarded, so I dont blame them for being on guard.

Bottom line- be on your best behavior at the pharmacy, same as you would at the Dr's office. You wouldnt have your friends meet you in the lobby of the doc's office to buy pills, so why would you think the pharmacy is an ok place to meet?

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Sorry to hear about you getting flaged Krinkov, but I thought

you were going a little to fast there and maybe pushing your

Dr. a little to fast. Slow down for a while, time heals all.


AGREEDED- and everyone told you BUT you didn't want to listen. Be glad it wasn't the Fent he pull:rolleyes:

[Cherry's Jubilee]

I am avid about sharing my PRIVATE personal, health, rx history, without my consent to do so. I consider this a serious violation of our human rights, robs us of our dignity and right to be treated with respect.

Thank you, for making me aware of something so important. Knowledge is power. Without it, we are simply sitting ducks.

I'm glad you found it helpful and especially glad that you also feel that knowledge is power and that we should be the ones with control over who has access to our personal health info. Did you sign the petition? Hope so. The information on the website is thorough, factual, and shocking.
Should this be a separate thread? I posted the information in response to the guy pissed at Kroger but it's kind of it's own topic. Everybody should want to know about this.

[roxi*stardust]

I would definitely go back to Kroger and talk to the manager or whoever is in charge there. Then I would call the corporate offices and complain and call the state pharmacy board. That pharmacist has no idea what is wrong with you. You could have a hang nail or you could have stage 4 cancer and have 3 months to live, he has no idea and it is none of his business. His job is to fill pill bottles and tell you that you need to take 1 pill, 3 times per day. That's it, a fuckin' monkey could be a pharmacist nowadays, it's not like back in the day when they actually made drugs and had to know a thing or 2.

A Pharmacist has every right to do what this one did. They also have the right to flat out not fill your script. It's their license.

I'm not saying the situation doesn't suck, Krinkov, and I'm not targeting you either, LE, but pharmacists get no respect and it isn't fair. They go to at least 6 years of school, they have a doctorate--they ARE doctors. It was definitely within this pharmacist's right to call the doctor to discuss your healthcare (the pharmacist didn't change his Rx, the doctor did). BUT it's your right to go find a pharmacist who doesn't get a kick out of picking out abusers (I worked with pharmacists who refused to fill any C-IIs if they weren't at their home store--this is not OK).

Let me try to say this again--a pharmacist knows drugs and how to dose them BETTER than a doctor. Pharmacists do not get paid $70k+ to put pills in a bottle. An apathetic pharmacist who uncritically fills anything put in front of him is a shitty pharmacist--there are plenty of old people whose lives get saved every day because the pharmacist called the dr. on wrong directions, dosages, combinations of drugs.

The real problem here is, like always, prohibition. Pharmacists don't want to fill controlled substances any more than doctors want to prescribe them, and for the same reasons. Most pharmacists look at anybody who gets multiple C-IIs very skeptically (doesn't help how much paperwork they require). A lot of pharmacists power trip on finding fake scripts, doctor shoppers, etc. None of this is cool. But the problem here is not a pharmacist trying to question an all-knowing doctor (that's his job), the problem is a pharmacist trying to be a cop just because it's exciting to catch dirty scum junkies. See the difference?

*gets ready to dodge objects thrown at her*
Why, everything you said is true.


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I mean, what would you say about a pharmacist who is Catholic and who won't fill teenage Suzy's prescription of Othrocyclin (sp)? While pharmacists have the right to "cut" a script back to a certain # of pills for legal or whatever other purposes and they can flat out refuse to fill a script for a variety of reasons can they start becoming the moral police? This is what I think you're trying to get at, correct?

<snip>

Like I said earlier, they have the right to refuse to fill any prescription, yes that includes birth control and "The Morning After Pill". It is their license, like it or not. If not, I'd suggest going to another pharmacy.

I've actually seen people at the pharmacy, collecting money from different people to get the cash up to fill their scripts. Its such obvious diversion I was shocked that the pharmacist did NOT refuse to fill- I guess he was too busy to notice, but I sure did.

I'm not saying K was doing something this retarded, but it could be a million things- like:
-being obviously NOT in pain (i.e. jumping around, picking up your kids in the store, bending over real fast, etc)
-appearing to be overmedicated, being too eager to get your shit (or too specific about what you want- I'm guilty of this one- SANDOZ patches, Name Brand OC's, generic FOOTBALL xannies, BLUE roxis, ONLY, tyvm)
-showing obvious evidence of illicit drug use (having coke boogers on your nose/smelling like weed, tracks, etc)
-something in your records (like krinkov's many recent pharma scores- I think this is the case here)
-just being a dick/pissing off the pharmacist
-just something about you the pharmacist doesnt like (maybe you look like the guy who's fuckin his girl)
-the wind blows the wrong way

Point is, pharmacists are allowed to refuse to fill CII's especially, and they do not have to cite ANY reason. They cant get in trouble for discrimination, etc if they cite no reason. Their name is on your bottle of pills, and it CAN come back on them if you do something retarded, so I dont blame them for being on guard.

Bottom line- be on your best behavior at the pharmacy, same as you would at the Dr's office. You wouldnt have your friends meet you in the lobby of the doc's office to buy pills, so why would you think the pharmacy is an ok place to meet?

Agent Orange is 100% correct. I'm not trying to get down on the OP here but I'm positive that it was probably something you did that promoted the RPh to call your doctor to begin with. You wouldn't believe the stuff that I have seen. That RPh has every right to do what he/she did. Complaining to them or the store isn't going to get you anywhere except possibly on your doctor's list AGAIN. You go complain to the manager and they tell the RPh and they call your doctor again, after all there would be no reason to be so mad about it that you would go complain unless you are abusing them. A patient in real pain will take the doctor's suggestion and then try to work it out with them. Think about this: You went from getting like Oxy IR 5's--->Duragesic 50mcg ------>stronger Duragesic 100mcg------->Duragesic 100mcg plus Oxy IR 5's------->stronger Duragesic 100mcg plus Roxicodone 30's in like 2 months. That looks suspicious as hell, no one would build a tolerance to meds that fast. That is probably what prompted the call. That's a huge jump for someone who was on JUST Oxy IR 5's two months ago. That RPh is either thinking you are an abuser or that your doctor isn't sure about th strength of the meds he wrote and that it could kill you. The RPh did their job, like it or not.

BTW did I mention that complaining about this to anyone at the store or making up some excuse to your doctor (like you got inot it w/ the pharmacist and they stuck their nose in your business) is going to make you look worse than you already do. Your docotr got you pegged, you complain about the 15's anytime in the next 6 months; you're toast dude.

[limitless_euphoria]

Anyway, basically I do agree with you all... I just don't like hearing people (not just here, not just about controlled substances) say "Who does that pharmacist think he is? A doctor? Why doesn't he just put my pills in a bottle and STFU?" Your medications, insofar as they relate to your healthcare, absolutely are the pharmacist's business (and sorry, there is NO way you'll get anywhere with a lawsuit). Your pharmacist is just an asshole because he wants to stop you from getting high, which has nothing to do with your healthcare. When I'm a pharmacist I'll fill all your C-IIs (unless they're fake) but not because I'll act like the "overpaid cashier" I supposedly am. It'll be because I don't have a thing against druggies. :D

Actually I really enjoyed reading your response. It's good to talk to someone in the field who knows what they're talking about. I understand that there's a lot of pressure nowadays and not just for one group of people entirely. There's pressure for pain patients to be able to obtain adequate pain relief; there's pressure for doctors not to over prescribe as the DEA might be breathing down their neck; there's pressure for pharmacists to ensure accuracy and that there's no fraud; there's pressure a lot of places and I blame it largely on the political climate and the media's sensationalization of "OxyContin: Heroin in Pill Form!"

[eveline]

Why, everything you said is true.

Thanks Roxi. Unless you were underhandedly insulting me and I didn't understand. :rolleyes:

BTW did I mention that complaining about this to anyone at the store or making up some excuse to your doctor (like you got inot it w/ the pharmacist and they stuck their nose in your business) is going to make you look worse than you already do. Your docotr got you pegged, you complain about the 15's anytime in the next 6 months; you're toast dude.

Didn't want to antagonize this thread anymore, but I completely agree (you're a CP patient as well as a tech, right?). Also, the store manager (at grocery stores or chain pharmacies) has no authority over the pharmacists. They're there to manage the front end only. But yeah, there's really no valid complaint you could raise against the pharmacist--he was doing his job.

[Indy]

AO, i think you were just kidding, but just so you know that isn't actually krinkov. I think he just picked that photo cause it looked funny.

[jwalm]

wow, I'm surprised your doc did not freak the fuck out at the pharmacist

my father is a podiatrist and he definitely would be irate if he heard that a pharmacist was telling his patients what is best for their pain meds-he has personally confronted pharmacists on issues similar to this

[starglazer33]

thiss is in my opinion the problem wirht the wor on drugs protect my ass i view of giving needed health care comes a distant ssecond oh yeah ill help you so long as my ass i protected i don't blame the ass whanting ists protection but where does it all endd sorry you can't have the kidney cus i might get sued or fired die if you will but i'll still have my job in the end like when in the joint your arm could be falling offf and the doctore gives you a tylenal and syas your fine go back to your sell live wirh it ,

thisj ultimately boils down to the prejudice skepticism against drugs and the abuse thereof o soryy im not giving thei s much thought in a big hurry getting ready to leave to get some smoke love all causes to improve the quality of life when needed this goes back to what er nurses are dealing with and one motherfucher can ruin it for the legitamite pain problem maybe im way off base as usuall just makes me angry theat the greed isn't even considered an addiction theat causes immediiate damage to andyone oh just the future of our mother earth and our childrean on it causedirectly from industrial revolution and beyond all in the nmae of progress for more money you cant eat money some great indian says this and in the end indians are more phylisophically correct at looking at the planet as a large animal than just some rock spinning in space whatever aMERICANS are the worst contributors to global warning and greed! fuck em all in a diplomatic way of course.

please no harm meant just a take i think of often, the world need not be this difficult of this fact iam sure.

[havok]

Also, the store manager (at grocery stores or chain pharmacies) has no authority over the pharmacists. They're there to manage the front end only. But yeah, there's really no valid complaint you could raise against the pharmacist--he was doing his job.

This is actually not true, at least at Ride Aid I used to work at. Our store manager did have a surprising amount of authority over the pharmacists. They had to ask the store manager to void things off the register or over ride certain things. Also, the pharmacy people had to ask the manager to go on breaks and lunch. The manager oversaw the incoming shipments of new drugs, and checked to make sure all the new medication was accounted for. The pharmacy would be paging the manager all the time for different things they needed. Also, I have seen the pharmacy people get in trouble, and the manager fired one of them, and reprimmanded another. I would get the store manager involved. He has power over the pharmacy, and he is very likely to do something if you make a big deal about it or threaten to complain to the people higher up in the company. This will definitly get the store manager to do something.

[smoothupnu69]

dicklickers like these are enough to make you fantasize about beating a mofo down!

[eveline]

This is actually not true, at least at Ride Aid I used to work at. Our store manager did have a surprising amount of authority over the pharmacists. They had to ask the store manager to void things off the register or over ride certain things. Also, the pharmacy people had to ask the manager to go on breaks and lunch. The manager oversaw the incoming shipments of new drugs, and checked to make sure all the new medication was accounted for. The pharmacy would be paging the manager all the time for different things they needed. Also, I have seen the pharmacy people get in trouble, and the manager fired one of them, and reprimmanded another. I would get the store manager involved. He has power over the pharmacy, and he is very likely to do something if you make a big deal about it or threaten to complain to the people higher up in the company. This will definitly get the store manager to do something.

I wasn't going to respond to this anymore, but since it's been bumped... if you look at the structure of the company (I'm not necessarily talking about Rite Aid), pharmacy and front-end operations are completely separate from the top down. The store manager's boss is the District Manager, and the pharmacists' boss is the Pharmacy District Manager. Sure, the store manager could complain to the PDM, but considering most store managers know nothing about pharmacy it'd take some balls on his part and he'd probably feel he was overstepping his bounds. If it involved stealing that the store manager saw on camera, then that's an obvious case. Otherwise I stand by what I said. It sounds like at your store the pharmacists were either very new or they were floaters (ones that go from store to store). Both of the pharmacists at my store had manager codes to override stuff on the registers, and the front-end people wouldn't dream of checking in the orders (or indeed touching them). Maybe you're talking about the techs--the store manager does kind of have authority over techs, and I'm sure could fire them if he/she wanted. But again, the managers at my store would probably not go there--the pharmacy manager (one of the pharmacists) schedules the techs, works with them, and is the one who would have reason to fire them.

[Cherry's Jubilee]

Also, since it's been bumped, I'll bump it again for the Patient Privacy Rights info and link on the previous page. There have been a couple of recent privacy laws questions, I think this is an important issue, I want people to sign the petition, and it's election year...your state representatives will be much more open to addressing your concerns and sponsoring bills at this time, especially if you let them know that you also contacted other candidates about this crucial issue and have gotten positive feedback (even if you didn't).

Here is a link to find your state and local representatives:
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml

Here is a link to the Patient Privacy Rights official site:
http://www.patientprivacyrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=first_visit