Heroin based detox

[bogumil]

Shit. I was just browsing around and found that:

In Germany, there are some cities, who have test projects running, where addicted people get pharmaceutic clean heroin. They take a group of heavy addicts. One half get methadone, tha other half gets pure pharma diacetylmorphine. After the one yera, the methadone group can switch to heroin. The project seems to work great.

Oh shit man. Pharma-Heroin. Check it out: http://www.heroinstudie.de/english.html

"In the German model project, severely dependent drug addicted patients
receive injectable heroin as medication on a trial basis within the framework of a
scientific study. A parallel control group receives the substitution drug
methadone. Both groups receive regular medical care and concomitant
psychosocial treatment. Target group are those drug dependent patients, who
were not successfully treated by any other therapy and/or whose course of
methadone treatment has not been satisfactory so far.
The model project is a joint venture of the Federal Health Ministry, the
federal states of Hamburg, Hessen, Niedersachsen and Nordrhein-Westfalen and
the cities of Bonn, Frankfurt/Main, Hanover, Karlsruhe, Cologne and Munich,
and it is accompanied by the professional organisation of German doctors
(Bundesärztekammer). Professor Michael Krausz, Centre of Interdisciplinary
Addiction Research (ZIS) at the University of Hamburg, is in charge of the
study's scientific design and implementation. Starting October 2003, Prof. Dr. Dieter Naber is director of the clinical trial (Leiter der klinischen Prüfung, LKP). Clinical project director is Dr. Christian Haasen (both ZIS)."

Here is more detailed info on the study: http://www.heroinstudie.de/forschungsdesign_kurzfassung_english.pdf

And this article says, that heroin will probably be allowed for the treatment of addiction in middle of 2006 http://www.faz.net/s/RubABE881A6669742C2A5EBCB5D50D7EBEE/Doc%7EE46F52A5F8547414A9198EE074FCA7911%7EATpl%7EE common%7EScontent.html

They have some results already:

1. Both groups, methadone and heroin, have a far better social behaviou and health than before the treatment.

2. Especially the group treated with heroin, has a far better success than the group treated with methadone!!!

I mean, its logic, that the people, when they get heroin, that they are healthier, that they do not get in contact with the scene that much anymore, that they can do their jobs, which they couldnt do on methadone and so on.

[blackdog]

yeah bog but its not like killer doses and this is starting to go on all over like canada and such.hell i remember hearing years ago that in england i think a registered drug addict could get a scrip and go to a chemist who would take heroin and apply it to ciggarettes and put together a pacage of smokes.yeah crazy stuff.some countries are trying to come up with a better way good luck peace da/dawgg:cool:
oh p.s. i work in construction and years ago i was at this job at first i thought it was a government missle silo or nuclear facility,what it was is it was a chemical company that did the extraction of the coca flavor from coca leaves for the soda companys and at the same time they extracted the cocaine for medicinal use one of the only companys in the us allowed to do so. the name was stepan chemical co maywood n.j. what this has to due with anything i don't know,just thought i'd mention it.....wow and i'm straight as we speak

[Coddfish]

Bog, you always seem to find the coolest crap online. Like that thing about the vending machines with the rigs and such. And the loperamide stuff. Damn, thats good stuff there. Worth a couple of my lowly rep points.

[bogumil]

Thanks man! I had heard about that from time to time, but never really thought that they would make this happen.

I think its a real good aproach. I mean this way the government helps the addicts and they could keep the drugbusiness under control. If the insurance companies really should pay for a heroin program and those who parttake dont buy on the street anymore, a lot of trouble would be gone. Also, in the end the insurance companies would pay less altogether cause the adics wouldnt get sick so often anymore and and and ...

[blackdog]

yeah it kinda sucks though cause it make too much sense.so we'll be lucky to see anything close to that in our lifetimes in the wonderfull united states of monopolys. peace da/dawg:cool:

[Tea Time]

So Bog, I have a feeling that you will be moving to one of these cities relatively soon, huh? :D Either that or you will be first in line when they start the program in your hometown. I agree with everything said above. Reduction in crime, health problems, etc, etc, etc. It sounds like a win/win situation, but it will never happen in the u.s. :mad: Later,

TT

[bogumil]

I will have to become a heavy addict first I fear. lOL. I think they need a proof, or? Like as long as Im not in contact with medics, who attest me that im using opiates, I dont count as user. IT counts only from day 1 of telling a medic, right? sucks. oh well, I think it will take a long time anyway until it is common enough so that everybody may use it, who is heavy addicted..

[blahblahblah]

I wish America would follow the leads of other counties with the controversal method of treatment. I find it strange that Canada would start-up a program for controlled heroin maintenence but yet delays the citizens Buprenorphine treatment, granted there have been trials and IMO Canada was watching the US to see how well Buprenorphine maintenence/detox would go over. Last I heard Canada is well on its way for open Buprenorphine programs if they are not under way yet. Click on the link below for more info on the NAOMI study, quite interesting on there methods. I just cant see the US doing this soon unless the heroin epidemic gets worse, whats it gonna take Bush's daughter to pick up a habit?

http://www.naomistudy.ca/

[insaneike]

Damn good read... pretty interesting.

later