DETOX ADVICE

[Chicago]

ADVICE ON DETOX,
1rst. I was just detoxed for about 8days. To make a long story short went right back to it.
My habit was shooting a whole raw half gram in a shot, once daily, but if can get more will do but that was a min.
Ok here is what I really need from my good friends at OPIOPHILE.ORG.
This is what I am working with.
Clonodine .1mg
Klonopin 2mg
Xanax 2mg
About 30 reg sized pods.
Or have 24mg subutex three 8mg tabs, never really help me alot but crave more.
So what I really want to no how some of you would detox a patient if having these on hand.
Now backround is been on benzo's for 10yrs, so I only maintain from getting shakey or getting a dizzy spell of a pre panic attack from benzo's.
Since my tollerence has not jump back up there yet want to attempt this.
When I was sick in the past I would eat 4 pods to get my sick off till I got my dope. I no pods is some what like meth but not as long, how do you think I should attempt this detox.
I was thinking 4 pods 2-3daily day 1.
day2. 3 pods 2-3 daily
Day4. 2 pods 3x
What do all you good OPIOPHILE BUDDYS THINK?
OR IS MY POD ALL WRONG & SHOULD AVOID? HAVE SUBUTEX ONLY 3 8MG PILLS, BUT NEVER HAVE ENERGY TO DO SHIT WHEN I HAVE A PARTIAL IN MY BODY UNLIKE PODS OR METH, JUST THE 1RST 3DAYS I WANT TO GET BY, I ALSO HAVE SOME SEREQUAL FOR BED TIME, WORKS WELL FOR ME.
IF SOME OF YOU RATHER PM W/UR OWN SPECIAL WAY TO DETOX FEEL FREE.
THANKS EVERYONE.:)

[cracksinthepavement]

ADVICE ON DETOX,
Clonodine .1mg
Klonopin 2mg
Xanax 2mg
About 30 reg sized pods.

I was thinking 4 pods 2-3daily day 1.
day2. 3 pods 2-3 daily
Day4. 2 pods 3x

Do as you say with the pods, then split those 8mg subutex into quarters. 2mg chunks, so you have 12 of them. When the pods run out, start with 2 of these twice daily and drop sharply, so that in 3 days you are using just 1-2 of these 2mg chunks daily, use the xanax and klonopin during this time. Use the clonidine with the pods or when the pods start to run out. Go as low as you can with subutex before you jump off, as far as .5mg.. That stuff goes a long way, especially when used intelligently. 24mgs has been enough to help me jump off 120mgs oxy/day before, without everything else you have.. Its a rough ride but its not the end of the world.

[SpecialGuy69]

Chi - its great your ready for this I know you can do it good luck im with ya 110% i got you bro.

USE THE SUBS TO DETOX==>Skip the pods.

Zenpunk detoxed a 10 year, multi bag a day dope habit with only 3 8mg subs, same as you got. If she can do it off a 10 year habit, you can do it off a 1 week habit no problem. You got this in the bag (uh)

So, finish off all the good shit you got left, then take a bunch of benzos and clonidine to make you get through the next 24 hours without nothing goods.

Take a sub, chop it up into 8 equal lines (1mg each). When you start to dopesik, take a line and a few clonidines and a k-pin (if needed)

Dont make a schedule when to take your sub, just take it when you start to sick, not before. When you think your startin to get sick, WAIT!!! A lot of the time, it passes and you can wait a few more hours before taking the subs, like the first wave of sickness is just in your head. So, try to hold off as long as you can before doing a 1mg line of subutex.

Then, let us know how many lines it took to get you through day 1.

Day 2-10 will depend on that. Your gonna get through this like its nothing! You might not even sick at all.

Good luck, chi- i really want to see you slingin debits and credits, depreciating assets, and recording double-entries to make ends!

here's a hint, in case you forgot: assets=liabilities+owners equity

[Chicago]

1 WEEK B4 thanksgiving I did a 3day subutex detox. I hated it b/c subutex makes me so damm weak & cold. But if I ever did a 5 day meth detox I was always kool, but used the day I got out. So I will be taking k-pins 6mg min daily, along xanax 2mg min daily aswell .3mg clonodine along w/my detox. I just thought by doing a quick pod detox would be better b/c when I did the subutex I laid in bed 3days str8, got up only to go to the washroom, no appetite on subs unlike pods I could eat some soup & stuff.
You think any other way A.O.?

[mikells43]

first off what is ur goal here? do u want to get off of everything including opiates and benzos? or do u just want off of the opiates now and the benzos in the future? if i were u. i would try one more time a whatever day detox and detox urself get all that shit out of u, and if u can't stay clean then id try some sort of matenence. i kno thats the easy out , but its alot more painless than using again i think. so try it one more time and if u can't get and stay clean, then id think about some sort of matenence, and in the lovely usa u have 2 choices. also pain helps u grow from it. im not inducing medicine matenence by any means, but for alot of us opiate addicts, its really the only shot at normalicy that we have. unless u have multiple years to dedicate to ur recovery until u finallly feel normal. what else do u plan to do after u detox? like any recovery things if any.... im just wondering.

[Raz]

Good luck Chi.
I think your a bit like me.Money has always cured any problem.Those panic attacks are something else,and money cant fix those. I think thats maybe why you take so much gear,ya just know -no panic attacks when high!...Have you got a Dr to get help from.?My take is that you should have some support from your Dr,especially with anxiety and panic attacks.I know your on benzo's etc,but detoxin with high anxiety is a horrible combo.....Man i aint no Dr, so i just wish ya well....Theres guys here who can give ya better advice than me.I havent detoxed properly in 4yrs...Good luck bro,you know your a strong person......Raz

[Chicago]

I have a Dr. He rx'd me benzo's each month.
Feel that I fucked up my chance of being clean.
What do I wanna do when I get clean? "LET ME GET CLEAN 1RST ONE STEP AT A TIME".
If I go to the Dr. again he has been thinking I have been on subs for years, yes I tell him I relasped 2wice a year, then I get some patches, more benzo's which I have, stomach pills ect...

YES,

[Raz]

Chi , i really wish you well. But i really think you need some proper medical advice from someone you can trust...Its all good us guys here givin you advice, but no one is really walkin in your shoes.I think you really should talk to someone you can trust.Someone who has the medical skills to help you, and i mean really help you. You have always been a sincere guy and you need help, support from someone who is in aposition to help you and prescribe the proper meds to help you wiv what your goin through right now......Raz, be cool bro ,i know you will find your way....I am here for you any time any day...

[mikells43]

i really dont know what to say. u kno what u have to do. mabey getting clean in jail and coming back out and using was a sign. u have quit befor u kno whats in the future for u.. if u can't hack it , i honestly suggest subs then. u should give them a try and if u have side effects at first they usually go away. and for not taking anything and feeling good outweights any side effects bupe can toss at me..

[Opiyum]

Chi - its great your ready for this I know you can do it good luck im with ya 110% i got you bro.

USE THE SUBS TO DETOX==>Skip the pods.

Zenpunk detoxed a 10 year, multi bag a day dope habit with only 3 8mg subs, same as you got. If she can do it off a 10 year habit, you can do it off a 1 week habit no problem. You got this in the bag (uh)

So, finish off all the good shit you got left, then take a bunch of benzos and clonidine to make you get through the next 24 hours without nothing goods.

Take a sub, chop it up into 8 equal lines (1mg each). When you start to dopesik, take a line and a few clonidines and a k-pin (if needed)

Dont make a schedule when to take your sub, just take it when you start to sick, not before. When you think your startin to get sick, WAIT!!! A lot of the time, it passes and you can wait a few more hours before taking the subs, like the first wave of sickness is just in your head. So, try to hold off as long as you can before doing a 1mg line of subutex.

Then, let us know how many lines it took to get you through day 1.

Day 2-10 will depend on that. Your gonna get through this like its nothing! You might not even sick at all.

Good luck, chi- i really want to see you slingin debits and credits, depreciating assets, and recording double-entries to make ends!

here's a hint, in case you forgot: assets=liabilities+owners equity

You got a lot of options Chi but I think Agent O hit the nail on the head. Good luck.

[Scoutii]

I would go with AO advice as well I would add one thing you mention you need to get by the first 3 days? If that is the case I would grind up the pods and eat the grounds/chug to keep the sickness away. Then follow AO advice to the T if you can just toss the pods, give them to a homeless junkie but if you HAVE to be well and can't be sick at all the next 3 days use the pods but use as little as possible.

[SpecialGuy69]

I would go with AO advice as well I would add one thing you mention you need to get by the first 3 days? If that is the case I would grind up the pods and eat the grounds/chug to keep the sickness away. Then follow AO advice to the T if you can just toss the pods, give them to a homeless junkie but if you HAVE to be well and can't be sick at all the next 3 days use the pods but use as little as possible.it would be so funny to give a homeless junky pods, tell him there is morphine in them, but dont tell him what to do with them. He'd be shakin them, crushin up up, tryin to fix the grinds...

Actually he'd probably grind em up and sell em back to ya as dope.

[Chicago]

OK, WHAT I do when taking the subutex is wait about 30 or more hrs, Start of w/2mg & take another 2mg untill feel better every 30 mins.
Day 2 take the exact amount that got me feeling better when taken on day 1 usually around 4mg.
On day 2 I take 1 bar of xanax w/2mg of k-pins & .1 clonodine & snort 2mg of subutex, which I think does me better them sublinguel?IMO
By day 3 I am craving SO BAD & HAVE NOT GOT OF BED FOR THE LAST 3 DAYS B/C AM SO WEAK, I ENDED UP LOOSING THE BATTLE.
SO IS THERE ANY NEW ADVICE TO WHAT I HAVE ADDED.
SOMEONE ASKED ME IF I PLAN ON GETTEING OFF THE BENZO'S, NO IS THE ANSWER, I DO PLAN ON STAYING ON THEM FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE B/C I REALLY DO NEED THEM NO JOKE.
So do not bother w/the PODS AT ALL, & WAIT THE 30 PLUS HRS & GO TO THE SUBUTEX, EVEN THE WAY I DESCRIBED HOW IT MAKES ME WEAK & CAN'T GET OUT OF BED BESIDE TO GOT TO THE WASHROOM?
PLEASE LET ME NO WHAT YOU GUYS THINK, B/C YOU PEOPLE GAVE ME SOME GREAT FEED BACK & THE POWER THINKING I CAN DO THIS, THIS TIME AROUND, B/C IN JAIL, YOU HAVE SO MUCH ON UR MIND U KINDA NO YOU NOT HAVING ANY CHANCE OF COPING DOES HELP, BUT WHEN AT HOME ALLWAYS YOU NO THERE IS A CHANCE TO COP.
So @ A.O. & OTHERS YOU WHO GAVE ME THE 411. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OR CAN ADD 4 ME.
THANKS @ EVERYONE @OPIOPHILE.ORG:):cool:

Chi - its great your ready for this I know you can do it good luck im with ya 110% i got you bro.

USE THE SUBS TO DETOX==>Skip the pods.

Zenpunk detoxed a 10 year, multi bag a day dope habit with only 3 8mg subs, same as you got. If she can do it off a 10 year habit, you can do it off a 1 week habit no problem. You got this in the bag (uh)

So, finish off all the good shit you got left, then take a bunch of benzos and clonidine to make you get through the next 24 hours without nothing goods.

Take a sub, chop it up into 8 equal lines (1mg each). When you start to dopesik, take a line and a few clonidines and a k-pin (if needed)

Dont make a schedule when to take your sub, just take it when you start to sick, not before. When you think your startin to get sick, WAIT!!! A lot of the time, it passes and you can wait a few more hours before taking the subs, like the first wave of sickness is just in your head. So, try to hold off as long as you can before doing a 1mg line of subutex.

Then, let us know how many lines it took to get you through day 1.

Day 2-10 will depend on that. Your gonna get through this like its nothing! You might not even sick at all.

Good luck, chi- i really want to see you slingin debits and credits, depreciating assets, and recording double-entries to make ends!

here's a hint, in case you forgot: assets=liabilities+owners equity

[SpecialGuy69]

Chi- it will be a MILLION times easier for you this time because you just detoxed 8 days in jail. So your brain is still at least partly in detox mode already. I said no pods becase they stay in your system a extra long time and they can make the switch to subs harder. The main thing is dont take your meds on a schedule- only take what you need when you need it. and when you first start to get sick, wait an hour before taking any subs- a lot of times the first wave of sickness will pass and you'll feel fine for another couple hours before you need to take anything!

[Chicago]

@A.O.
OK 2morrow @ 5 p.m. would be 26 hrs so I was planning on waiting till 7p.m. centrel time to take 2mg subutex.
Now when you said take when I feel I need some, what do you mean?
So if I only have 3, 8mg pills =24mg.
I as I read & allways did was to take 2mg, then wait 30mins w/another 2mgs every 30 mins till felling better?
So when you said take every time I need some sounds a lil diff from what people said.
But I really need answers b/c in 26hrs am starting so need all the advice broken down if you can A.O. if u don't mind.
Usually the 1rst day/night 4mgs does the trick to make me ok, but do I not take another 4mgs about 18-24hrs after that?
B/c when you said TAKE WHEN U FEEL U NEED THEM THREW ME OFF?
@A.O. how did you come up w/ur screen name b/c I just watched t.v. & Agent Orange actually means something back in the day, so was wondering is this why you chose that?
Your Man...~Chi~

[SpecialGuy69]

its just clockwork orange and the weathermen refrence- like Cage, Copywrite, Eon, RJD2, RA, Jakki, Camu Tao, YAk, those guys well AO is all over their albums.

When I say take it as needed only, just take like 1mg or .5mg ONLY when you need it REALLY bad, like dont just take 4mg in the morning and thats it. Just take a little tiny bit at a time, then wait and see if you feel better- its just a way i have found makes it easier to take a lot less pills.

Like with my methadones- I set a upper limit, I'm not gonna go above 30mg today. Then in the am, when I wake up, i feel like shit but I wait 1 hour before dosing, then i only take 5mg. Then an hour later I still feel like hell so I take another 5mg. Then I'm okay until like 10am then I feel like hell, so I wait a while, at 11am I take another 5mg. So its just about waiting as long as you can in between doses and taking as little as you can. Make sense?

[Chicago]

SO 1rst day do start w/2mg, then take another 1-2mg every 30mins JUST on day 1.
On day 2 take a bump when feeling crappy not to go over 2mg?
I have found when taking a 2mg bar of xanax w/2mg k pin & .1 clonodine then take a toot of snorting on the 2nd day gave me a lil relaxed state of mind to make me fall asleep for a lil bit, which I needed.
Can I do a lil snort of the subutex, on day 2? Or no stick w/in my mouth.
IMO iI actually couldn't believe that the lil toot of subutex worked to hit me faster 2 feel better. But need the best advice on this one.:cool:


its just clockwork orange and the weathermen refrence- like Cage, Copywrite, Eon, RJD2, RA, Jakki, Camu Tao, YAk, those guys well AO is all over their albums.

When I say take it as needed only, just take like 1mg or .5mg ONLY when you need it REALLY bad, like dont just take 4mg in the morning and thats it. Just take a little tiny bit at a time, then wait and see if you feel better- its just a way i have found makes it easier to take a lot less pills.

Like with my methadones- I set a upper limit, I'm not gonna go above 30mg today. Then in the am, when I wake up, i feel like shit but I wait 1 hour before dosing, then i only take 5mg. Then an hour later I still feel like hell so I take another 5mg. Then I'm okay until like 10am then I feel like hell, so I wait a while, at 11am I take another 5mg. So its just about waiting as long as you can in between doses and taking as little as you can. Make sense?

[SpecialGuy69]

i would ONLY snort it- makes it go farther, and also makes it harder to do too much (8mg sub makes a SHITLOAD of powder).

And just take it when you need it, dont do it every 30 minutes or whatever, try to go as long as you possibly can between doses. Try starting w/ 1mg sniffed for your first dose, then wait as long as you can, until you cant stand it any more before you take more.

Instead of taking some every 6 hrs or every 4 hrs or whatever, just wait as long as you can. Until you cant stand the pain anymore, then take a small amount. The idea of doing it this way is you take the VERY MINIMUM you need to make it through

[Chicago]

Ok, so day 1 planning on taking 2mg after 30hrs, then 1-2mg if needed in another 30mins till ok.
DAy 2, Should I not just wait another 24hrs from the 1rst dose, of the 2mg or if needed more in that 30min period.
Or day 2, should when I start to feel ill take a little snort of about 1mg, every 4-8hrs & try not to go over 4mg,trying to basicly taking no more then 2mg in a day, by doing bumps of .5 up to 2mg in a 24hr period, what do u think A.O.:rolleyes:
I NO WE WENT THREW THIS BUT SINCE THE TIME IS TICKING YOU NO ALL US HEROIN USERS GET REALLY NERVOUS & NEED TO HEAR THINGS MORE THEN ONCE, SO DON'T THINK I'M TRIPPEN OUT:cool:

i would ONLY snort it- makes it go farther, and also makes it harder to do too much (8mg sub makes a SHITLOAD of powder).

And just take it when you need it, dont do it every 30 minutes or whatever, try to go as long as you possibly can between doses. Try starting w/ 1mg sniffed for your first dose, then wait as long as you can, until you cant stand it any more before you take more.

Instead of taking some every 6 hrs or every 4 hrs or whatever, just wait as long as you can. Until you cant stand the pain anymore, then take a small amount. The idea of doing it this way is you take the VERY MINIMUM you need to make it through

[Ron-Doe]

i'm with you chi cold turkey fri morn last shot, norm 3-4 shots a day, sun morn 1 shot and nothin since feeling good goin' 2 work 2morrow u can do it bro!:rolleyes: be strong:cool: