DXM for beginners

[If You Care]

SWIM has been experimenting with dextromethorphan (DXM) lately, in order to lower his/her tolerance to opiates for his/her chipping habits. SWIM has found DXM to have a This is what I have to offer:

1) DXM is available in most cough/cold medicines, however only a select few are desirable mixtures for recreational use. Ideally, and most intelligently, one needs to find medicine containing only DXM. Look carefully at the Active ingredients list. THIS IS IMPERITAVE FOR ALL RECREATIONAL USE OF O-T-C AND PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. Many brands mix Aspirin (acetaminophen) with the DXM. Other drugs are commonly mixed in. Stay clear of them, because they can cause extremely adverse effects including uncontrollable vomiting and even death. This should not be a surprise to those who use prescription opiates. Look for a brand that states the only active ingredient is DXM, it shouldn't be too hard to find. Also, one can look at the alcohol content, for kicks (SWIM has found anywhere from 5%-11%). The syrups are more likely to contain pure DXM than the pill form. Make note of this.

2) Dosage: A good starting recreational dose is anywhere from 200-400mg of DXM. You can look at the box for dosage details. (SWIM has found a good dose to be 30mg DXM for 15ml of syrup. Try to get as high a dose per ml as possible -- the stuff taste's very strong!) You can spread your intake over a period of time or you can just take it all at once. SWIM has found that on an empty stomach some syrups can burn/upset the stomach. It has helped him/her to eat a little directly after dosing.

3) Effects: Onset takes roughly 30 minutes to begin to feel the effects. After this, onset becomes more rapid. By an hour after dosing, it becomes difficult to concentrate and SWIM begins to feel a little dizzy and disoriented. The experience can be described as disconnected, and slightly euphoric -- almost out-of-body, in a way. Unlike opiates, SWIM has experienced a body buzz, but a much more shallow or hallow feeling one. Euphoria is less warm, but still fairly intense. Music and other stimulus are exaggerated greatly. SWIM has not found it difficult to interact with people and situations in a high state, but slightly more so and differently than opiates.

4) Taste? Yeah, it's not a lie that cough syrup tastes like garbage. However, it's better than the taste of opiate tea, or so says SWIM. He/she has found that having a good tasting tracer drink for immediately afterward to be very beneficial.

This about wraps up what SWIM has to say. Any questions can be answered.

[JonnyMohawk]

However, it's better than the taste of opiate tea, or so says SWIM. He/she has found that having a good tasting tracer drink for immediately afterward to be very beneficial.


No way in hell that it taste better then pod tea. I would rather eat my own ass then drink a pod tea amount of robotussin.

[Nostromos]

I've read an article on Erowid.org about how DXM is really hard on your brain. It's been tempting to chug Robo when I'm bored and can't "score" anything else, but it just doesn't sound fun enough for how damaging it might be. It sounds like a rather unpleasant cross between acid and opiates, leaving you with nothing much to do except ride it out. Has anyone had a really pleasant experience on this stuff? It sounds like one of those Nutmeg or Morning Glory things you try once just to see what it's like. Or Salvia, that shit's just... weird.

[JonnyMohawk]

Yeah I have had many pleasant dxm trips, and as for the 'damaging to the brain' part Im not sure thats exactly true. I read a paper a while back published by a doctor who said it is probably one of the safest recreational drugs kids abuse, this of course is only about using the dextromethorphan (dxm). It does become extremely dangerous when they use prerations that involve acetaminophen and guifesan(sp?).

I think it is definitely worth a try.

You really do have to skim through all the hype and bad publicity and find real facts and get your own opinion in it though.

[Levity]

There's is (or used to be) a DXM-only cough strip (think Listerene breath fresheners).
I used em for severe coughs, but each strip had 15Mg of DXM in it and nothing else.

Might be better than the syrups.

[resorcinol]

No way in hell that it taste better then pod tea. I would rather eat my own ass then drink a pod tea amount of robotussin.

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with that. Pod tea tastes way better than mentholy cough syrups like robitussin.

Delsym actually tastes good but it's time released dxm, keep that in mind.

[eveline]

If you look on the Erowid DXM vault, the guy who wrote that article about the brain damage has retracted it.

I agree with OP, pod tea tastes worse. Also, there's a way more comprehensive DXM FAQ on Erowid.

[Thebane]

Am I the only one who likes the taste of Nyquil-like syrups... Guess so. Although I've never had more than a few tablespoons at a time.

Anyone know how addictive this stuff is using small amounts daily? I think it was Jacky who said using a lot daily was worse than opiate w/ds but I only use 30-50mg daily. I think I would have noticed if I was addicted because I'm sure I've missed days, but then again it was probably only on days I also didn't have opiates (I take it whenever I use pods or kratom, so daily) so I may have just assumed it was opiate w/ds. But I'm hoping small amounts daily aren't addictive. I'm not too worried about it, but I didn't realize it was something I should watch until yesterday when I read that post.

[hydrocronik]

I've read an article on Erowid.org about how DXM is really hard on your brain. It's been tempting to chug Robo when I'm bored and can't "score" anything else, but it just doesn't sound fun enough for how damaging it might be. It sounds like a rather unpleasant cross between acid and opiates, leaving you with nothing much to do except ride it out. Has anyone had a really pleasant experience on this stuff? It sounds like one of those Nutmeg or Morning Glory things you try once just to see what it's like. Or Salvia, that shit's just... weird.



robitussin in small amounts gives me a weed type high, you don't have to take it until you hallucinate.
i only did that a couple of times, and i find it more pleasurable in small amounts.

[Indy]

SWIM has been experimenting with dextromethorphan (DXM) lately, in order to lower his/her tolerance to opiates for his/her chipping habits. SWIM has found DXM to have a This is what I have to offer:

1) DXM is available in most cough/cold medicines, however only a select few are desirable mixtures for recreational use. Ideally, and most intelligently, one needs to find medicine containing only DXM. Look carefully at the Active ingredients list. THIS IS IMPERITAVE FOR ALL RECREATIONAL USE OF O-T-C AND PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. Many brands mix Aspirin (acetaminophen) with the DXM. Other drugs are commonly mixed in. Stay clear of them, because they can cause extremely adverse effects including uncontrollable vomiting and even death. This should not be a surprise to those who use prescription opiates. Look for a brand that states the only active ingredient is DXM, it shouldn't be too hard to find. Also, one can look at the alcohol content, for kicks (SWIM has found anywhere from 5%-11%). The syrups are more likely to contain pure DXM than the pill form. Make note of this.

2) Dosage: A good starting recreational dose is anywhere from 200-400mg of DXM. You can look at the box for dosage details. (SWIM has found a good dose to be 30mg DXM for 15ml of syrup. Try to get as high a dose per ml as possible -- the stuff taste's very strong!) You can spread your intake over a period of time or you can just take it all at once. SWIM has found that on an empty stomach some syrups can burn/upset the stomach. It has helped him/her to eat a little directly after dosing.

3) Effects: Onset takes roughly 30 minutes to begin to feel the effects. After this, onset becomes more rapid. By an hour after dosing, it becomes difficult to concentrate and SWIM begins to feel a little dizzy and disoriented. The experience can be described as disconnected, and slightly euphoric -- almost out-of-body, in a way. Unlike opiates, SWIM has experienced a body buzz, but a much more shallow or hallow feeling one. Euphoria is less warm, but still fairly intense. Music and other stimulus are exaggerated greatly. SWIM has not found it difficult to interact with people and situations in a high state, but slightly more so and differently than opiates.

4) Taste? Yeah, it's not a lie that cough syrup tastes like garbage. However, it's better than the taste of opiate tea, or so says SWIM. He/she has found that having a good tasting tracer drink for immediately afterward to be very beneficial.

This about wraps up what SWIM has to say. Any questions can be answered.

Check out the bolded part. Aspirin is NOT acetaminophen.

[If You Care]

Hahaha. Hey everyone.

About the taste. This is VERY subjective, but after using pod tea several times a week for several months, even the smell can give me a headache. I really need to find some new ways of brewing the shit.

There isn't much research into DXM, however the research that has been done shows that DXM does not have physical withdrawal symptoms. It appears to be relatively safe.

And DMX/Opiates/LSD "frying your brain?" That is reminiscent of 90's anti-drug propaganda gone bad! You really need to look into each case study. Often times you'll find that the users who had very bad experiences were ill-informed and made poor choices based on their knowledge. Regarding DXM I've heard everything from "this is an edible plastic!" to "this better than opiates!". Take everything with a grain of salt. No text is written without intentions.

The Erowid page is a fine resource, as well. Although I don't know about you guys, but I REALLY hate reading "I stepped outside of time" over and over. I want more practical descriptions!

I still enjoy the natural, soothing opiate high over anything else, but I just though I would attempt to spark some conversation.

I found all of your responses interesting. Keep the discussion going! Cheers.

[If You Care]

Check out the bolded part. Aspirin is NOT acetaminophen.

Thanks for catching that. I thought I went back and corrected that before I posted.

[Indy]

Yeah, sorry for being a bit blunt about it. Sometimes it seems to me when i read my posts over later, that i'm trying to be a moderator or something. That's really not my intention when i make them, honestly, but when i look at it i'll think "oh god, who am i trying to be, brony?". It's like i get excited when i find an infraction or something. BUt again, not my intention, it's just i focus so much on trying to correct it or let them know "that's not allowed" that i don't even bother to post anything else.

So don't take it personally it was a good post i just never want anyone to think "gee the limit for acetaminophen is 2 g at once or 4 g daily roughly, and i read that aspirin is the same thing as acetaminophen, so i can take 4 g of aspirin!" and OD on aspirin or something.

Oh, and btw, if I were to give advice to beginners for DXM it would be "don't bother" :D. Wasn't enjoyable to me at ALL. But hey, some people swear by it.

[robojunkie]

I used to love dxm (dm when I was doing it, this "dxm" monniker had not been made up yet, presumably to make it sound more "druglike") and have done it probably over 500 times (as a dissociative, not as a potentiator). I still venture out to do dissociatives here and there, but they are heavy on the mind (not in a brain damage way, all that Olney's lesions shit has been retracted or proven to be exaggerated or uncontrolled for) and aren't for everyone.

One important point, I think it was mentioned once already, is that there is a huge difference between using as a potentiator and/or as a tolerance attenuator and using as a dissociative. For one the potentiator or tolerance reducer dose is more like 60 to 90 mg/day, whereas the threshold dissociative dose is around 200 mg, and a more common one being around 475 mg (8 oz robo bottle). This difference is very important, and the potentiating effect can be very pronounced, and I've even seen the potential for potentiation to vary with dose. I've seen someone OD (lived, 911) on a shot of dope after a dissociative dose the night before (probably about as much dxm left as if a 30 mg dose was just taken) and this dope was part of a bundle that we were doing prior (and after) and there was no difference, and not a different batch.

Main point, be careful, especially with a low tolerance, when using this to potentiate or reduce tolerance, as the dose is definitely not the same as the dissociative dose.

[Uncle Wiggly]

RJ - when I first changed over from 'done to Fent my PM doc told me to drink x-mg of DXM per day. Why would he have wanted me to do that? I think you may have mentioned something about it in your last post but I'm a bit slow on organic, or any other type of, chemistry. Chem 101 is the tops for me. Thanks.

PAX

[JonnyMohawk]

RJ - when I first changed over from 'done to Fent my PM doc told me to drink x-mg of DXM per day. Why would he have wanted me to do that?


Thats an odd request from a doctor. My only guess is because DXM is known to reduce tolerance and potentiate opiates... Although potentiating fent when you first switch could have been dangerous.

This is a first for me, a doctor asking you to drink dxm.

[Thanat0s]

heavy dxm use has provided me with a boatload of silly quips and pages and pages of unintelligible notes about all manner of things that were just brilliant at the time. i always reached some bogus state of heightened awareness and understanding, like i could actually wrap my head around the world when high...

sadly, years and 100s of 3rd plateau doses later even the mighty dxm has lost its magical ability to pop me into some alternate higher dimension... still provides a worthwhile buzz every so often...

i always felt like i was a tiny little man, sitting in my body's eye, 'driving' my body as some ungainly chinese made robot..
"ch0g! ch0G!" id say...
while trying to explain my '65lb idea' of the world to anyone who would listen... while putting out cigarettes on the ceiling of my friends apartment...
'what are you standing in that chair for?'
'ch0g! ch0g!' the never ending emphatic retort...

you see, i got this idea... its yellow and tan banded, slowly rotating in a void... weighs hmmm, about 65 pounds... and i attained fucking PERFECT understanding... i really miss that, goddamned ch0gB0t...

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[Uncle Wiggly]

Thats an odd request from a doctor. My only guess is because DXM is known to reduce tolerance and potentiate opiates... Although potentiating fent when you first switch could have been dangerous.

This is a first for me, a doctor asking you to drink dxm.

He had explained something to be about how 'done binds to the receptors and... That's all I remember. I have a pretty healthy tolerance. I've been a CP patient for over 15 years now. Maybe he wasn't worried about that aspect. I'm honestly not sure. You know how stuff just kind of fades away. I'm going in there this Friday and I'll ask him. Maybe it would make a good thread over here.

I forget exactly how much but it was probably a small amount. He told me to by some OTC cough syrup Dylsen ?? I've seen it mentioned on here before. I'll post after I talk to him at the end of the week. If I don't forget by the time I get home. :D

PAX

[Raisin]

I can see how it works as a potentiater but does it's effect on tolerance come from the fact that you dose less when using? Does it help in any way with wd's?

[modega]

No way in hell that it taste better then pod tea. I would rather eat my own ass then drink a pod tea amount of robotussin.

I don't think this could have been put any better.

[If You Care]

Yeah, sorry for being a bit blunt about it. Sometimes it seems to me when i read my posts over later, that i'm trying to be a moderator or something. That's really not my intention when i make them, honestly, but when i look at it i'll think "oh god, who am i trying to be, brony?". It's like i get excited when i find an infraction or something. BUt again, not my intention, it's just i focus so much on trying to correct it or let them know "that's not allowed" that i don't even bother to post anything else.

So don't take it personally it was a good post i just never want anyone to think "gee the limit for acetaminophen is 2 g at once or 4 g daily roughly, and i read that aspirin is the same thing as acetaminophen, so i can take 4 g of aspirin!" and OD on aspirin or something.

Oh, and btw, if I were to give advice to beginners for DXM it would be "don't bother" :D. Wasn't enjoyable to me at ALL. But hey, some people swear by it.

Yo, don't feel bad or anything. When it comes to putting chemicals into your body, exactness is highest art. It's a collaborative effort here, so we all have to contribute to a greater whole truth.

[Tres]

I tried it and mot sure if it was because I was on the verge of wds or not, but it was not an enjoyable experience for me. I felt out of touch, my feet felt like I was floating and kinda staggering, my head did not feel in control and all I wanted to do was lay down and sleep it off. It is not for me, but Im sure some people would find it interesting. My dose by the way was about 200ml

[majinbijiita]

I tried it and mot sure if it was because I was on the verge of wds or not, but it was not an enjoyable experience for me. I felt out of touch, my feet felt like I was floating and kinda staggering, my head did not feel in control and all I wanted to do was lay down and sleep it off. It is not for me, but Im sure some people would find it interesting. My dose by the way was about 200ml

You should tell the dose in mg not ml, since different types have different amounts of DXM/ml. Usually it's 10mg (for cough syrups with other ingredients besides DXM) or 15mg/ 15ml (for just DXM containing syrups.)

I myself am a lover of DXM. Not of the side-effects like nausea and the shitts, but as a great, cheap, and easy to find alternative to other dissassociatives.

I would have to say Ketamine is a much cleaner and better high, but that's not always around. DXM is still one of my favorites and I've had a long use with it. Just be sure not to be taking any other medications (OTC or Px) two weeks before you dose. SSRI's + DXM = Serotonin Syndrome or many unwanted side-effects. St. John's wort is another thing you shouldn't take before dosing.

As a potentiator of DXM - cimetidine is great, but kinda expensive. Grapefruit Juice (white is the best) a few hours before your trip will also help.

But if you can get K, just go for that. It's more enlightening I'd say, than just a way to get fucked up like DXM is. Both have their own special feelings though.

If you're thinking about extracting, I wouldn't bother. If you can get the shit down, just do it, even extracted it tastes like shit, it's just not as goopy and doesn't have so many inactives in it. Though I think it might cure the shits and nausea quite a bit.

[Tres]

Sorry, was the 15mg per tsp syrup ,no other ingredients, I always get those ml, mgs, etc screwed up, hated chemistry, science, , which is probably normal, as Im an artist, lol, very right brained...

[Soda]

I didn't read a word of this thread because I don't speak English, but yo. Listen.
Taking the recomended amount of cough medicine is enough. It packs a punch, people just like to break rules so they think they invented the high. What the heck, yo. Um..my point is this: I forget. SWIM is leaving.

[oxydose]

I didn't read a word of this thread because I don't speak English, but yo. Listen.
Taking the recomended amount of cough medicine is enough. It packs a punch, people just like to break rules so they think they invented the high. What the heck, yo. Um..my point is this: I forget. SWIM is leaving.

Man DXM is a drug IMO, a potent one at the high doses too, its just not a opiate buzz of course. Erowid has the shit classified as a psychedelic/dissociative at the high doses or "platues". Their is great info out their OP, google Dextroverse...

I say its a different buzz for sure, IMO it acts as a mild psyc with potent diss effects at the high platue doses (again all this is explained easy with a google search). IME with the stuff its def not a social drug for me, I only achieved euph when I was alone and left to listening to music, in the dark, yeah kinda morbid LOL...

The shit fucks with you for awhile too, I haven't did the stuff in well over 3 years i'd say now, when I stopped my small binge with the stuff it took me month(s) to feel right again. It is said but not 100% proven that DXM along with other diss cause lesions on the brain (again google)... I dunno how I feel about the stuff, I had some fun times with it, some weird times, and some times I didn't enjoy much at all (usually when I tried it in a social enviorment)..

Anyone who does choose to try it should look up these things..
DXM Calculator
DXM FAQ (read the Plateu(s) part)
Dextroverse

And I suggest to start with the Delsym syrup, as it doesn't taste too bad really at all and comes in the form of a time released dose, good for ppl first trying it, it'll last longer and be smoother...

The other stuff that gives you a lot more DXM for less volume (like ZiCam Max spray) tend to be to overwelming to a lot of people. And don't be stupid with the shit, it causes brain trauma in my *personal* opnion, shit took way to long to get right..

[Soda]

Man DXM is a drug IMO, a potent one at the high doses too, its just not a opiate buzz of course. Erowid has the shit classified as a psychedelic/dissociative at the high doses or "platues". Their is great info out their OP, google Dextroverse...

I say its a different buzz for sure, IMO it acts as a mild psyc with potent diss effects at the high platue doses (again all this is explained easy with a google search). IME with the stuff its def not a social drug for me, I only achieved euph when I was alone and left to listening to music, in the dark, yeah kinda morbid LOL...

The shit fucks with you for awhile too, I haven't did the stuff in well over 3 years i'd say now, when I stopped my small binge with the stuff it took me month(s) to feel right again. It is said but not 100% proven that DXM along with other diss cause lesions on the brain (again google)... I dunno how I feel about the stuff, I had some fun times with it, some weird times, and some times I didn't enjoy much at all (usually when I tried it in a social enviorment)..

Anyone who does choose to try it should look up these things..
DXM Calculator
DXM FAQ (read the Plateu(s) part)
Dextroverse

And I suggest to start with the Delsym syrup, as it doesn't taste too bad really at all and comes in the form of a time released dose, good for ppl first trying it, it'll last longer and be smoother...

The other stuff that gives you a lot more DXM for less volume (like ZiCam Max spray) tend to be to overwelming to a lot of people. And don't be stupid with the shit, it causes brain trauma in my *personal* opnion, shit took way to long to get right..

I took a bottle in a bathtub, then called the friend who introduced me to it, and she totally buzz killed me because she said i could have drowned. Stupid.

oh and i apologize for saying i dont speak english, ive been withdrawing for weeks. i get nasty during withdrawal, and sometimes i cant force myself to be nice. i probably shouldnt post for now.

[oxydose]

I took a bottle in a bathtub, then called the friend who introduced me to it, and she totally buzz killed me because she said i could have drowned. Stupid.

oh and i apologize for saying i dont speak english, ive been withdrawing for weeks. i get nasty during withdrawal, and sometimes i cant force myself to be nice. i probably shouldnt post for now.

I understand fully man, opis are like painkillers/anti-depressent/speed all rolled into one for us addicted to em, or at least me lol, it works well on so many levels... I seriously think opis have a great possibility to be used in treatment of serious chronic depression, if only given the chance for that. But thats never gonna happen ;(

[Papa Verine]

I have had a few excellent eperiences with DXM. I can remember some really intense euphoria and brilliant sunsets on the stuff. Once when I was W/D from opiates I took a healthy dose and ended up getting off my ass and enjoying myself. I really liked the shit and I think the effects are better if you're taking an SSRI. (Serotonin syndrome? I never felt it was a problem for me)

As a matter of fact, I have to go to the store... talk to Y'all later!

[Soda]

cool beans

[dirtdog]

IDK I leave that stuff for the kids
I never got high off no Nyquil

[drugsaregood]

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but if your taking antidepressants such as Prozac you need to be extra careful with dosing and frequency of use. It's very possible to get serotonin syndrome with such combinations. It also potentiates DXM. When I was taking Prozac (I hate all anti-D's with a passion, except maybe Wellbutrin) I would only need 90mg's to get "fucked up". I don't really enjoy DXM anymore, but I might try robotear's dosing guide for the opiate beneficial effects. I've had plenty of DXM experience, and most of it wasn't that great. Mainly a temporary boredom solution. Some were down right scary, consistent thoughts of impending death, puking, laying on my bathroom floor naked having hot flashes, crawling back to bed, and repeating the long journey to my bathroom (about ten feet)... I forget exactly what it is called but someone makes a cough spray that tastes like cherry ass, but it is very little liquid for the dose of DXM. Just DXM in it. The best things to buy is the Liquid Gels in my personal opinion. Also, Anti-D's not only potentiate DXM but make it last LONGER. I would be 'high' for a day atleast with small doses. Stay safe you crazed cough syrup drinking opiophiles.

[aj11]

stay clear of Coriceden HBC(purple box) it has been know to cause strokes

[Porcupine]

I can get fucked up on less than 150mg's of DXM. Like literally tripping balls, and the effects can last days. No kidding.
I've only done it a handful of times when extremely dry and bored though. I don't find it pleasent at all, but it can pass the time. Since i'm extemely sensitive to DXM I can always spot the Ecstacy pills that have been cut with it.

[SynthMorph]

Tried about 800mgs of that shit once, i was in the astral plane all that shit. Wild as fuck, totally left my body, felt like a ketamine and morphine buzz in one.

[OxyHydroMorphoneCodone]

I read this thread and said to myself "That sounds like it could be fun." So I go to my local pharmaceutical establishment and purchase a bottle of 20 15mg DXM gel caps. 'Robotussin Cough" they were called. They didn't contain anything else but the 15 mg of DXM.

So I go home and down all 20 pills (300 mg). Then, I wait. I get this kinda buzz, a warm feeling similar to codeine, but no trip. 4 hours later I fell asleep, and woke up really hung over this morning. What the fuck? How long does it normally take to kick in? These weren't time release pills, they were 'liquid fast' and all that crap.

Thanks for any help.

[oxydose]

I read this thread and said to myself "That sounds like it could be fun." So I go to my local pharmaceutical establishment and purchase a bottle of 20 15mg DXM gel caps. 'Robotussin Cough" they were called. They didn't contain anything else but the 15 mg of DXM.

So I go home and down all 20 pills (300 mg). Then, I wait. I get this kinda buzz, a warm feeling similar to codeine, but no trip. 4 hours later I fell asleep, and woke up really hung over this morning. What the fuck? How long does it normally take to kick in? These weren't time release pills, they were 'liquid fast' and all that crap.

Thanks for any help.

About 2 hours for those (non time release, Delsym is the brand that does that). Sounds like you slept through it. Shoulda been enough for a good first time dose, even if you weigh a shitload (DXM doses is weight dependant)..