Butalbital APAP with Caffeine [Archive]

Princess

01-16-2008, 10:38 PM

I take fiorinal...same thing but with aspirin instead of tylenol.

I take 2 every 4-6 hours, everyday...I have a refillable script for 100 anytime I need it. I have chronic tension headaches from a disc problem in my neck. Since I've been taking it faithfully, I haven't had one migraine (knock on wood). They work great for me and also seems to make my other pills work quicker (the ones I swallow)....

I personally love my Fiorinal. Never had any breathing probs...smoke cigs like a motherfucker and I use fentanyl, msir 30's and xanax (all prescribed) and also play with oc's and H. Thank God I'm still alive.

mikells43

01-16-2008, 10:49 PM

caffeine works good for tension like mentioned. it is also in alot of popular oct headache meds. most of them are asprin, tyel, and caffene and cost 10 bucks for 20 lol.. anywho. barbs were used for anx and headahces , for anx before benzos became popular. my dogs on 90mg of phenobarb each day. i hear secobarb is good. but personally phenobarb never did anything for me. its good for do-it-at-home benzo detoxes cause it wards off seizures..

resorcinol

01-17-2008, 06:04 AM

butalbital is one of the least euphoric barbiturates out there. phenobarbital is no good either.

you want amobarbital, secobarbital, or pentobarbital. good luck getting an rx for those though.

CIIORNOTHING

01-17-2008, 08:43 AM

I have a freind who orders fiorinal off the internet all the time. he pops about 10 at a time. he gets fucked up as a shit house mouse. Ive told him his liver is going to fall out of his ass one day. oh well.

TokinDerrick

01-17-2008, 11:56 AM

back before I messed with anything, I used to take Escig-plus or someshit like that. it was Butalbital, caffeine, and tylenol. some also come with codeine, but the ones I took did not.

I used to take like 5 at a time, and smoke weed and it made me feel good, then one day I took a lot of them, smoked some weed at a friends house that was like 10 mins drive from my house, when I left there I had to pull over twice and take a nap. no joke. don't fuck around with those. also, if you're into heavier pills now, I'd imagine they won't do much of anything without taking a life threatening dose.

Princess

01-17-2008, 12:19 PM

I've been taking the fiorinal's for years. For me, personally, I don't feel 10 more than two. Its like I top off at 2 pills. I don't get high persay but I feel good and they help my other meds work faster. They work wonders for opiate hangovers.
They are like a glorified version of excedrine, nothing more. I prefer the heavier stuff...but I can't go without fiorinal for headaches and opi hangovers.

allyouneedislove

01-17-2008, 02:40 PM

OCfenatiq

01-17-2008, 03:02 PM

Are these any good? They seem to be weak. I havent tried them. Any advice? Why the caffeine?
I voted YES on this one but after looking at the picture I have never had that exact pill before. I beleive that is the same ingedients as Fioricet, which is for headaches mainly.
Basically it is a sleep aide being used for pain, this is why the caffeine is added (so it won't make you sleepy), also caffeine is said to be helpful to some with headaches and other aches as well. If you go to any drug store and look at ingredieants to different medications you will find a lot with caffeine added. For instance "Bayer 'Back and Body'" is just asprine with caffeine.
With that said, You mentioned the pill seemed weak; what did you expect??? It isn't a narcotic, though said to be used for headaches, that doesn't mean it is an opiate in any way. If you are realizing you like pain pills but can't seem to keep that steady supply, I wouldn't just start taking anything meant for pain and expect simular results. I guess everyone tries that at one point or another, but it's not likely anyone will find some medicine that is easy to get that produces opiate like results, so just stick to the goodies...
If it isn't working for your headaches I would suggest asking the 'ol doc for something a little stronger and see what he prescribes for ya, good luck with it all...

Soda

01-17-2008, 03:04 PM

I dont think I could get a prescription for pain pills.

Ludakris

01-17-2008, 03:14 PM

I dont think I could get a prescription for pain pills.

Just no legit reason for one? Granted we are hit or miss with today's paranoid doctors, but my mom gets vicodin for headaches...granted they tried a lot of other things prior to the vics, they seem to be the only thing that works.

Soda

01-17-2008, 03:16 PM

My life is a series of events I execute for no legit reason.

Ludakris

01-17-2008, 03:18 PM

My life is a series of events I execute for no legit reason.

Well said...art in words...well, there's always the good ol' fashion street pharmacist ;)

OCfenatiq

01-17-2008, 03:18 PM

I dont think I could get a prescription for pain pills.
Not with that attitude you can't... It's not all that hard to get a few from the ER if you wanted. I'll agree getting a steady flow of em isn't that easy even with a hearniated disk... Either way there is always a way if you want em enough, or if all else fails you could hit up a clinic, at least you can be opiated (not as fun as others for sure but it beats being sick...)

Soda

01-17-2008, 03:21 PM

My folks are both doctors, and they would find out and kill me.

red26

01-18-2008, 04:28 PM

or if all else fails you could hit up a clinic, at least you can be opiated (not as fun as others for sure but it beats being sick...)

Noe are we talking about a pain management clinic,:dollarsig or the greater of the 2 evils,

a Methadone clinic?:bricks:

Mustelid

01-18-2008, 08:07 PM

I've tried fiorinal. I've noticed that some people it seems to do nothing to, others get down on them. They make me feel like my body is drunk, but my mind is clear.

Princess

01-18-2008, 08:18 PM

I've tried fiorinal. I've noticed that some people it seems to do nothing to, others get down on them. They make me feel like my body is drunk, but my mind is clear.

Same with me!
I couldn't think of how to describe the feeling.

oldscratch

01-18-2008, 11:12 PM

merch that's narcotic is fiorinal with codeine #3....a croaker's set...

codeine phosphate, USP 30 mg (1/2 gr)
butalbital, USP 50 mg
caffeine, USP 40 mg
aspirin, USP 325 mgWill do in a pinch but pretty much O.D. material from the barbiturate end if your chasing the codeine...started off my career in the 80's with this pharm and for beginners it's O.K. but as stated butalbital is lightweight to old school barbs and caffeine is present for specifically... migraine..AKA tension headaches...theraputic value is intrinsic...have heard good reports.... and bad...but as far as abuse potencial?...not my cup of tea...but i still know goofball-bums who swear by them...gotta be into sedation and solemnance if you go in deep...oldscratch...P.S. whatch out for aspirin count....curveball !!!

pharmboy

01-19-2008, 02:15 AM

I had Butabarbital once, layed my ass OUT. Good Shit.

20Dollarholla

01-19-2008, 06:48 AM

I was just going to mention that I thought there were Fiorocet w/ codiene in them. There arrent much good alone, but mixed with some REAL painkillers, benzo's and muscle relaxers they seem to hit the spot.

merch that's narcotic is fiorinal with codeine #3....a croaker's set...

codeine phosphate, USP 30 mg (1/2 gr)
butalbital, USP 50 mg
caffeine, USP 40 mg
aspirin, USP 325 mgWill do in a pinch but pretty much O.D. material from the barbiturate end if your chasing the codeine...started off my career in the 80's with this pharm and for beginners it's O.K. but as stated butalbital is lightweight to old school barbs and caffeine is present for specifically... migraine..AKA tension headaches...theraputic value is intrinsic...have heard good reports.... and bad...but as far as abuse potencial?...not my cup of tea...but i still know goofball-bums who swear by them...gotta be into sedation and solemnance if you go in deep...oldscratch...P.S. whatch out for aspirin count....curveball !!!

ZodiacKiller

01-19-2008, 11:04 AM

My aunt gave us handfuls of this drug (for my wife's chronic tension/migraine headaches), and honestly, it never seemed to have much recreational effect for either of us.

Didn't do shit for her headaches, either....

ZK

Princess

01-19-2008, 11:13 AM

It does work for me with headaches...but then again, its never the only thing in my system, so maybe the combo helps.

StrungOutAgain

01-19-2008, 12:29 PM

I sometimes will get these from my dad and they work pretty well for any kind of headache I have. Now recreational value isn't high but I found they will me when in w/d's.

gauchoamigo

01-20-2008, 07:40 PM

butalbital is one of the least euphoric barbiturates out there. phenobarbital is no good either.

you want amobarbital, secobarbital, or pentobarbital. good luck getting an rx for those though.

Thread is particularly about migraine relief through butalbital compound. That is, butalbital 40mg, caffeine 50mg and a large lump of paracetamol. Butalbital is one of the weakest barbs there is. Phenobarb is mostly used for epileptic conditions, but also in doses of 1-200mg for sleep (and is effective). The barbiturates you say you 'WANT' you would want for a completely different range of conditions. Most are not even manufactured any more. They caused so many deaths by accidental and intentional suicide that they were, along with meprobamate, practically redundant by the end of the 1960s and the first half of the 70s, after the introduction of the safer and just as effective benzodiazepines.
I think the British National Formulary allows for the prescription of three or four barbs; all others have been deleted and now so are the benzos suffering the same fate as the men in suits decide that SSRIs are 'better' treatments for panic disorders. Arses.
Anyway, barbiturates making a 'comeback' isn't my idea of good medical practice.
Gaucho

kil092286

01-20-2008, 08:15 PM

Ok my mom has horses and shes got a med box with a bunch of horse needles (gauges are bigger than shit) but also in the med box there are 4 giant white pills kinda like methadone wafers without the scores but its labeled butalbital and it is for the horses, now these have been there for like a year and have not been touched.. anyone know anything about these? Whats in them and would they potentiate say a suboxone or methadone high? Thanks guys

Soda

01-20-2008, 08:16 PM

I'd suggest doing a pill look-up...I think drugs.com has one? I don't know, google it. And then post a pic from google images or something. Let us have a look. Or take a pic yourself.

kil092286

01-20-2008, 08:31 PM

I'd suggest doing a pill look-up...I think drugs.com has one? I don't know, google it. And then post a pic from google images or something. Let us have a look. Or take a pic yourself.

Give me a day or so cuz its fucking freezing here in Michigan and I do not feel like walking all the way out to where her horse is at. I really don't remember seeing any numbers or anything on the pills though. Maybe they rubbed off, I will try to get a pic up tommorow.

Soda

01-20-2008, 08:32 PM

No problem

if it's for horses, it could be pure, no aspirin or caffiene or anything....anyone else have advice for him?

OCfenatiq

01-22-2008, 11:32 PM

Noe are we talking about a pain management clinic,:dollarsig or the greater of the 2 evils,

a Methadone clinic?:bricks:
Sorry, I was talking about a methadone clinic. PM clinics are good for some I have heard but haven't worked well for me, I guess its hit and miss for a good one. But methadone with methadone clinics you choose your dose (gradual increase and you tell em when you are good or if you are haveing w/d symtoms still) so like I said before, maybe not as fun as some of the other better opiates but at least you're not sick and you don't have to worry about getting your supply, so it has its pros...

Soda

01-23-2008, 02:24 AM

Dont you actually have to be in a lot OF PAIN TO DO THIS!?

OCfenatiq

01-24-2008, 08:53 PM

Dont you actually have to be in a lot OF PAIN TO DO THIS!?
Pain to do what??? Are you talking about going to a methadone clinic? If so then no you don't have to be in any pain, well meybe w/d pain or something but they are not pain clinics, they are to help people get off of street opiates basically... If you were talking about something else, just ignore...
Ok my mom has horses and shes got a med box with a bunch of horse needles (gauges are bigger than shit) but also in the med box there are 4 giant white pills kinda like methadone wafers without the scores but its labeled butalbital and it is for the horses, now these have been there for like a year and have not been touched.. anyone know anything about these? Whats in them and would they potentiate say a suboxone or methadone high? Thanks guys
Even if they are butalbital in high mg's or something I would think it would just knock you out since it is basically used as a sleep aide, but some people say they enjoy it I think, just makes me tired, and that is at normal doses, can't emagine horse pill size... And by the way, suboxone doesn't get you high, just takes away the sickness basically... just an FYI...

Soda

01-24-2008, 10:57 PM

PM clinics...which I assume stands for pain management..thats what i meant mr man.

Tbird921

05-13-2008, 09:06 AM

I got some kinda barb with Caffeine and Codiene for headaches, it got me fucked up but it felt like mostly just a codiene high, I would love some seconal.

TokinDerrick

05-13-2008, 11:46 AM

you got the same thing, just the one with codeine, can't remember what its called.

Raine

05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

I'm prescribed the generic for Fioricet which is butalbitol +acetometephin+caffeine...Sorry for spelling errors, it's listed on the bottle as BUT/APAP/CAF. I can't find a dosage on the bottle anywhere.

It only takes away my headaches and it's not even great at that!

My DR. knows how I am with drugs so he won't prescribe anything with the potential of being fun to take. Therefore, I assumed they are not worth messing around with for recreation. Also, they never showed up on any urine analysis.

Mustelid

12-24-2008, 08:59 PM

I got some kinda barb with Caffeine and Codiene for headaches, it got me fucked up but it felt like mostly just a codiene high, I would love some seconal.

I've never done seconal, I've only seen it. My Mother was sent home with a pill bottle that had like five in them when she went in for an asthma attack. It was scary, they gave her one there and told her that her son would have to drive her home, but I was like 9.

Scary trip home with her driving, growing higher and higher. When we got home she went right to bed, then flushed the other 5 in the bottle. (I know, I can hear you cringing)

dharma bum

12-29-2008, 07:13 AM

Being on Suboxone led me to try this drug to try and catch some kinda high or nod. I think this is the closest i have came to od'ing. Some friends came by caused i missed an important appointment and brought me around with water and slaps and keeping me awake. Yeah i know this makes it seem more dramatic than it might have been(i might have just slept it off). But other things that i won't go into led me to believe this combo is pretty fucking dangerous. I read later that mixing barbs with opies was even more dangerous than the benzo/opie connection.
I did good for 6 months on the subs w/out trying silly shit like this to get a high. But it's led me to re-evaluate my habits and what i want. I'm gonna try and work the sub thing w/out doing xanax or other cns depressants...
Who woulda thought. fucking butalbital.

resorcinol

12-29-2008, 07:23 PM

Judging from how half life and the two substituant groups at position 5 on barbituric acid effect perceived euphoria -- that butalbital (Fioricet), while far from being super desirable, is probably more euphoric for more people than phenobarbital (Luminal) is.

Aromatic substitutions at position 5 seem to weaken euphoria (phenobarbital is a perfect example) and long half life seems to weaken euphoria (phenobarbital is a good example in that regard too). Those two factors that reduce the euphoric potential of a barb are both present in phenobarb, and that's probably why it's considered barely recreational to most people. Phenobarbital's half life is 50 to 120 hours or so, if I'm remembering correctly.

Butalbital has one branched alkane and one straight alkene substituant at position 5 (no aromatic ring sub, and no saturated ring sub either). It's half life is also shorter than phenobarbital's. Butalbital's half life is around 35 hours.

So it's fun potential is likely in between phenobarbital (not very recreational) and the big three (amobarbital, secobarbital, pentobarbital) -- which are very recreational. Butalbital is probably "somewhat recreational" as it lies in between the two groups as far as half life goes. It's pretty accepted that the most recreational barbs are the "short acting" ones like the big three (half life around 10 to 30 hours). Extremely short acting barbs (like sodium thiopental) and [extremely] long acting barbs like phenobarbital seem to both be less fun.

Keep in mind that this is just consensus, since euphoria is subjective and people like different feelings.

While butalbital probably isn't high on the list of drugs to have fun with, it's likely that more people would find butalbital fun than the amount that find phenobarbital fun. It's easier to get Rx'd it too, compared to phenobarbital, go figure.

One thing I've noticed on multiple drug boards is that people confuse pentobarbital and phenobarbital quite often because they sound similar. This results in those that tried phenobarbital and thought it sucked not understanding how somebody could like pentobarbital (because they just skimmed the post and didn't see that it was actually a different drug). PENTObarbital (Nembutal) is possibly the most recreational barb out there (don't know personally... but the veterans of the barb days of the past really really like it), while PHENObarbital is widely considered sucky.

Indy

12-29-2008, 11:23 PM

I think given all the factors, the most important and relevant fact about butalbital, is that you can easily get it without ANY prescription. Lots of online phaprmacies sell it, not just internationals either, but from within the US, which means it won't get seized, so it's super easy to get (if a bit pricey compared to the international competitors). So basically anyone who really wants to try barbs can do it with a bit just a bit of cash and a way to order online (with disposable credit cards these days all you need is the cash basically) can do so with fioricet, the most common preparation from OPs.

SonarOC80

12-31-2008, 12:16 AM

They suck man. Coincidentally I got my hands on a few of them just the other day for the first time. The ones I got were butalbital+APAP+caffeine. I took 3 for back pain and they did almost nothing. I'd say the tylenol did more for my back pain than the butalbital, so don't expect a buzz or anything. I mean, maybe if you were completely down and out, if took enough they might slightly level you out, but that is about it. As always, be advised when taking a large amount of pills containing tylenol as it is highly toxic. I actually got quite gittery afer taking them from the caffeine. I drink coffee, but for some reason caffeine in pill form really messes with me. I know they make some that also contain codeine, but the ones i took didn't have any in it. I think they were white, oval tablets (almost like a generic Watson Vicodin) and had the imprint MIA 110. Hope this helps!

blenderqueen

02-13-2009, 07:38 AM

I get them scripted with codeine in them for headaches. or without, whichever I want he gives me. i do'nt have to ask for them that often & they do work wonders I mean wonders for me when I get nasty ass tension headaches (a few x a year maybe). I guess I have a little bit of TMJ & clench my jaw sometimes so bad I don't realize it til I've given myself one killer headache. or sometimes I do it in my sleep. they suck so bad. I can't even imagine what a migraine would be like.

I actually find the ones w/o the codeine work better for headaches than the ones with it. go figure. I think narcs can cause headaches though.

they are really good for hangovers too:). I still have some of the ones with codeine. I think it gives me some weird sense of security to have something narcotic in case I were to run out of my regular meds. Even if it is just codeine..??

I actually get them from my dentist. My Dr. knows though & doesn't care. but one script will last me a year or two.

halfalien_s4

02-13-2009, 10:39 AM

Are these any good? They seem to be weak. I havent tried them. Any advice? Why the caffeine?

the pic u posted is for a drug called Fioronol (fur-o-nol). this one contains caffine, asprin, and butabital (a short-acting barbiturate). ive tried them all. they make them specificakly for tension headaches, & especially migraines. i know cuz ive tried every different kind multiple times. they also make one called Fioricet (fur-o-cet). the only difference is it has APAP instead of asprin. and then....they also make 2 other kinds. which are basically these same 2 types only they also contain 30mg of codien as well. so theres also fiorinol w/ codein, & fioricet w/ codiene. these r gret drugs for sumone who has migraines and such, but ive heard mixed reports of people *getting off* on them. but of coarse, the ones w/ the odiene i belive to be very helpful. i combined the fiorinol w/ cod one time w/ stadol NS (nasal spray) and got a sumwhat sorta decent buzz. but ull just have to try it out and be the judge....god luck...:)

halfalien_s4

02-13-2009, 10:40 AM

oh yea, i get scripted the plain ol' Fioricet evey month for migraines....

duck

02-13-2009, 12:40 PM

caffeine is supposed to help with headache pain, i read somewhere. my mother used to take those for her migraines, and they didn't do anything. but thats a migraine for ya. butalbital is ok only if your body is pharmacologically naive

Caffeine helps with my headaches a ton....bunch of coffee or espresso and it's over for the headache.

Hookahed

02-20-2009, 10:24 PM

Man, this Seconal, Tuinal talk is giving me flashbacks to the early 80's when the good barbs were all the rage. Anyone remember the names of any of the barb combos? I'm thinking Capritol was a nice blend?

Like others have said I doubt they still make the good barbs. Too many people died so Methaqualone filled the gap until the menu of Benzos was developed. On a whim I recently came across some Phenobarbital. It had been 30 years and I had forgotten about the grades and half-lifes of Barbituates. Phenobarbital quickly turns me into a bumbling idiot. Euphoria lasts about an hour and then sleep time. Next morning...still a bumbling idiot. Will only use them when I'm sick and or overworked and need/want to sleep all day on days off with no personal commitments.

Glad to hear those with tension headache and related problems are able to get these compounds easily considering how many have said they benefit.

barbiegal

02-21-2009, 07:19 AM

I'll have to agree with the suckiness of them-lol. I find they make me depressed and lethargic. i much prefer the euphoria of an opiate. It's strange though because my friend gets then scripted for her migraines and she swears by them. Says they get her high too. But hell,she gets high off 1 darvocet.:mad:

HistoryofMadness

06-21-2009, 04:22 PM

i've used them as potentiator. due to obvious dangers i don't recommend that but for me it was ok in small doses with my (slightly reduced) daily regimen

Princess

06-21-2009, 06:58 PM

I swear by Fiorinal w/codeine!! (the ones with Aspirin instead of Tylenol). I am scripted them to take daily to prevent migraines.. but I must say, I got by on those ALONE on Thursday, without getting sick. I ran out of good meds Wednesday night... so I ate fiorinal w/codeine all day Thursday. Woke up Friday morning to the doorbell (delivery of the good stuff - Thank GOD) and felt sick as hell by then.

Don't know how I got by, just over 24 hours without getting fully sick, on such a low dose of codeine. Maybe the Butalbital helped a bit, who knows.

But yes, I still get a slight buzz from it and I've been on it for years. I actually love the plain Fiorinal, the one without codeine. It works wonders for headaches (for me at least). It's not great to take alone (just a little buzz)... but it works great with opiates and helps headaches. I guess we're all different! Oh, and I DON'T get high on one darvocet. :)