iv technique

[SurfRat]

I was trying to iv some liquid Valium the other night, damn if I can get the technique right. I have seen on tv shows, guys standing there with the needle hanging out of their arm and pumping in large quantities etc. But I don't seem to have the right feel for it or maybe I am missing the concept, like are you suppose to thread the needle up in the vein, will that make it less likely to poke out or through or do you just kind of approximate poking into the middle, for some reason I have trouble with the concept. I know you gotta poke in or else you will roll off or glance of under the skin, but then what's the best way to stay in etc.

I pushed real slow because that's what you are supposed to do with that stuff, but after about 30 units it must have slipped out, through, maybe wasn't in all the way.

Smaller amounts aren't a problem really, probably good I am not too too adept... I don't have too big of a needle fetish either, more like the right tool when appropriate.

[Nate]

would be nice to have indeed.

I can't sleep, oh wait..............gone.

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

Needles aren't for everyone.

If you can't keep steady, you're going to be fucked every time.

I would usually go all the way in, back up a little, draw up some blood and shoot (rather quickly...2 seconds or so).

[havok]

Disregard anything you have seen on TV about using needles. Everything in movies or on TV is usually completely wrong.

You know how to check to make sure you are in a vein right? It is very important that you make sure you are in a vein before you start to push the shot in.

This is how you check to make sure you are in a vein:

After you stick the needle in, pull the plunger back, and if you are in a vein, blood will rush into the barrel of the needle. It will probably take a few tries before you get the needle to fill up with blood. Just hold the plunger back so there is an air bubble in the needle. Once you hit a vein, the blood will rush in, and the air bubble will disappear. Then you push the shot in.

Also, what size needle are you using? How many cc's and what gauge is the point? Where on your body are you trying to inject?

[underide]

^^" if air bubbles could kill, there wouldn't be a junkie left alive..."
W. S Burroughs

I used to be paranoid about air bubbles at the very beginning too.
You really need about half a syringe (or more) full of air at least to even begin to come close to any sort of harm.
Having said that, it's probably better to abstain from making a habit of banging air. but overall it's not as bad as some people may think

[havok]

There shouldn't be an actual air bubble in the needle. I'm talking about when you pull the plunger back, it creates a vacuum in the needle that looks like an air bubble, but it is really a vacuum. When you hit a vein, the vacuum fills up with blood so there is no air at all in the needle.

[underide]

You're right, there shouldn't.



Surfrat: try and have someone who can shoot do it for you first couple of times.
that is how i and a lot of others got started.

It's really just a matter of practice, after a few tries it get easier and easier, until it gets way too easy for your own good.
Ofcourse then you might keep on going, fuck up your veins like i did, an then it becomes HARD again.
Such is the nature of it i suppose.


Personally, i've had very shitty, puny veins to start with, and for the first while really was a challange keeping the needle in.
After a while i became 'too' good at it, and now i wish i've never even started that shit.


Not trying to preach here, by the way.
Just my side of the story

[SurfRat]

^^

Thank you for the info.

I can usually pop in, register ok. I go for the good old big elbow vein as I don't use them too often.

This would be 28g, 1cc typical.

I guess my question is a little vague, more pertaining to feel, or visual, how to figure out when it's in in or just sorta in.

I guess we never know the future but I don't plan on making this anything close to a habit.

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

how to figure out when it's in in or just sorta in..


I usually feel a slight pop (treble) and then I know I've hit it.

[EleusisII]

Wait... I'm confused... You haven't IVd before, and you're starting out with Valium?

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

Wait... I'm confused... You haven't IVd before, and you're starting out with Valium?


What's wrong with that?

What should he start with?

[EleusisII]

Heroin or dillies? ;)

Just wondering, since that's what people usually start on.
Post your results. I'm curious about the effects. How much harder it hits you when you IV it, besides how fast it hits.

[SurfRat]

Wait... I'm confused... You haven't IVd before, and you're starting out with Valium?

Pardon the confusion. Not starting out, that is I am not a novice but not a pro either.

Fine tuning so to speak.

The Valium required more quantity and more time and it was hard to stay in so I wanted to ask a little more on the subtleties of technique.

[EleusisII]

Goodies... I'm not down with the fine art of mainlining, but I'm glad to hear, that you didn't waste popping your cherry on valium!

[SurfRat]

Goodies... I'm not down with the fine art of mainlining, but I'm glad to hear, that you didn't waste popping your cherry on valium!


First time was meth when I was 16, then heroin later. But never a lot of anything.

I took a break for uh, about 23 years.

[Opiyum]

If only IV drug use was a skill that took years and years of practice to learn. I probably never would have started doing it....certainly wouldn't have finished.

In a way it does take awhile to perfect and get good at but the fundamentals are really quite simple.

Soak a towel with warm water and wrap it around your arm in whatever place you wish to shoot. Go slow. Go steady. It requires a firm but delicate hand.

Practice makes perfect. Keep up the good work and you'll be on your way... well... In this case to bed I guess.

[RxQueen]

surfrat... if i understand you, what you need to know basically, is the best way to get into the vein and be sure that you're staying there.

first, the angle... it's best to go in (in the direction of the blood-flow, towards the heart) at an angle. in other words, put the needle parallel to the vein, with the barrel only about 15 or 20 degrees angle off your arm (NOT with the barrel standing up perpendicular to your arm). the idea is to slide the needle up into the vein, not to just poke the tip straight down into it. that way, once the point penetrates through the wall of the vein and into the bloodstream, the very tip of it can be placed a tiny bit upstream inside that vein. this is why it's also important to try to keep the bevel edge of the point (the slanted side) facing up when injecting... so that once the point is in the vein, the hole in the needle is IN the blood-flow, and not pressed up against the opposite side of the wall of the vein inside there.

secondly, staying put.... once you've got the needle in the vein and registered with that blood bloom, the easiest way to keep it there is to take advantage of that good angle you went in with. it still takes steady hands, but when you go in at a nice, low angle, you can rest your pinky-finger (or the outside edge of your hand) down against your arm while pushing the plunger with your index finger. (this assumes that you hold the barrel like i do, with the thumb and middle 2 fingers). and of course, be careful as you push the hit in, that you hold the rig steady and don't allow yourself to push the entire rig in further... just the plunger. otherwise you can go through the opposite side of the vein and miss the shot.

also, if you tie off... be sure to release the tie before you inject, or else (especially with larger sized hits) you can blow the vein, because there's barely room for the extra fluid in there with the vein so pumped full of blood, and it can't continue flowing away past where it's tied off.

hope this helps some. is this what you were asking? enjoy that stuff, and as always, play safe!

[SurfRat]

^^

yes it was. thank you.;)

[rude]

If you have never shot before, it should be pretty easy to hit a vein. If you use that big forearm vein, you can usually tell just by how the needle feels (it will usually stop giving as much resistence )if you are in the vein. When you are pulling out to make sure you hit the vein, try to keep it at the same angle when you push in. If you do it slowly, you can usually tell if you are missing because a little bubble will pop up under your skin. If this happens pull the plunger back out and find the vein again.

[sexualhealing]

Needles aren't for everyone.

If you can't keep steady, you're going to be fucked every time.

I would usually go all the way in, back up a little, draw up some blood and shoot (rather quickly...2 seconds or so).


same here, except for the alcohol swab prior to injection and the neo sporin after :)


its almost like u can hear a click when ur in, or like a change of pressure....once u do it enough u KNOW.....and with that pop sound i usualy back up a tiny bit, register my shot (pull blood in)...push slowly, steadily on the plunger, and sometimes if i feel i may have slipped, ill take the time to re-register just to make sure im not wasting precious pharmies....

be safe and have fun u lucky sob....

[pharmboy]

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Its about a transdermal injection system.

Just seems pretty cool to me. Check it out.

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This would be great for needle shy people.

[mikells43]

i have about 100mg of liquid valium in my med cab for my dogs seizures. they are in oral barrels for rectal admin.

[Boudica]

What's wrong with that?

What should he start with?




Somethin' worth pricking yourself, leaving bruises and trackmarks and scars, over and over again for.

It hurts. Especially when you can't get that "pipeline" vein, and you've got to poke, poke poke till you are begging God him/her self to please find and register a good fuckin' vein because you can't stand the thought of having to poke yourself yet again. It kinda gets pretty much sucky, at that point.

To be helpful, take your time. Take a shower, a hot one. It will bring your veins out, and up to the surface where you can see them. While you are nekkid, then look for good veins. Start your injection just above the beginning of where the vein shows, angle slightly even with your chosen body-part, then ever-so-slightly angle down just a tad, as you push in. Push in as far as you can, test to see if you register at that point, then if not, slowly pull the needle back a bit, check again, repeat if necessary till you register. I ya don't, go to another vein and repeat the process. It takes practice, but can be mastered if you are really determined. But, man, darlin', Valium? That is your choice, tho. Everybody is different, and that's ok.

[Duckfeet]

I know this is *way* off topic, but I just saw Boudica's post count go up one pt...it was like *logjammed* for a while ;-) Sorry, back to lurk mode ;) come on *1000* and I can die happy :)

[Boudica]

I know this is *way* off topic, but I just saw Boudica's post count go up one pt...it was like *logjammed* for a while ;-) Sorry, back to lurk mode ;) come on *1000* and I can die happy :)



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[Duckfeet]

Haha: I am *so* stoked; I feel like I just climbed mt. fucking everest....haha...no u just lifted yer curse on the scallywags on here, and yer post count was liberated, I *knew* it was magic ;-)


Whoo-Hoooo! Thank ya, O Great DuckMaster! You have totally rocked my world today. We have broken through, to the other side. Can't wait ta see what's there, huh mate?

[mollywopped]

One other thing is to drink water. Drink a bottle or 2 an hour or so before you shoot and it will be much easier to hit and register. But you should still have good veins, so it shouldn't be hard to find some good spots.

Also, just look aroud the internet. Try searching for stuff like how to IV, IV heroin, intraveinous injections and things along those lines. You should be able to find good info, a lot of diagrams and pitures of how to do it and maybe even a video or 2. When I have more time I will try to remember to come back to this thread and give you some links.

Edit: Here is a pretty good one. It is from the harm reduction coalition. There are pages here about proper technique, rotating spots, not hitting areteries, etc.

http://www.harmreduction.org/article.php?id=212