My experience with rapid detox

[mollywopped]

This was a post that I made in the thread about Chicago's rapid detox. When I posted it, I thought the thread was going to be just about what the experience was like. If you have read that thread you know that there is much more to his thread.

So I just wanted to share my experience so people don't think that everybody has had a horrible experience with rapid detox.

Obviously it is not a magic bullet that is a cure for addiction. But, IME it can work. If you use it as a detox and then go to an inpatient rehab, intensive outpatient rehab, serious AA, counseling or whatever it takes for you, it can work to help people get clean. I really don't see the need to force people to go through with drawls in order for them to stay clean. If you really wanted to get clean and did this you could stay clean. When you read my original post you will see I didn't, but in reality I did it for my family, not because I really wanted to get off dope. My best friend did it and he really wanted off and has stayed clean for 2 years now. I should also add that at the time I was IVing about 2 grams of tar a day.

So here goes, the original post about my experience with rapid detox:

I've done it also, but not quite the same as Chicago. When I did it, I went to the doc on day 1 and he scripted me for tramadol, clonodine, valium and some sleeping pills. I took all of that for about 4 days before I went in for the detox. I felt alright, not great, but the tramadol kept the w/d's away for the most part.

So on the day of the detox, I took 25 or 30 mgs of Valium and went down to the doc's office. They sedate the shit out of you, not totally asleep, but very very sedated. Kinda in and out of sleep, but not full anesthesia. Then the doc comes in and gives you a tiny shot of narcan every half hour or so. The shots get progressively bigger as the day goes on.

I felt alright during the procedure. I never puked or shit myself and wasn't in any pain. The only bad part was the restless legs. I would get it real bad for like 10 minutes, then they would sedate me more and I would calm down. That went on most of the day. However, a friend of mine did the same thing with the same doc and he slept all the way thruogh the whole thing. They had to wake him up to go home.

Anyway, the narcan thing lasted about 5 or 6 hours I think and then I went home. I came back a week or so later and they gave me a naltrexone pellet. It is a little thing that looks like the little plastic thing that comes in big pill bottles to keep them dry. He gives you a local and then cuts a little slit and shoves that bitch in there. It is a few inches below your belt line.

That was it. Overall, I thought it was a good way to detox, even though it cost about $5,000. If I had the money, I would do it again, it was not a big deal. The only problem is that you go from strung out to clean so quick that your mind doesn't have a chance to change. I relapsed fairly quickly, with in a few months. My buddy that I mentioned though, this was his first detox and he has not touched drugs since. It has been almost 2 years.

So, all in all, I would recomend it. The naltrexone is supposed to make it so you get no effects from opiates, making your chances of staying clean better. It worked really well for awhile, until I found out that if you just do a big shot you can still get high. So, intense counseling or therapy or something is needed to go along with this if you really want to stay clean. Shit, I guess a real desire to stay clean would probably be enough, I don't know.

[eerased]

After you left the clinic did you have anymore physical w/ds? energy? positive thoughts? General umph to do anything?

[Chicago]

I CAN NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT WHAT MOLLYWOOPED SAID.
It's like saying hey I took a oxycontin or even a vicodin, then I took a subutex 1hr later.
If you still opiates in your body, & they give you narcan THINK OF THE HELL YOU WOULD GO THREW, If I take a subutex less then 30hrs I AM SICK AS HELL, as for the doctor giving you shots of narcan while on opiates sounds CRAZY.
With the way you described it, just the meds you got detoxed you alone.
If you can detox of tramadol & clonodine why pay 5grand.
Your worst was over.
I WOULD KILL A DR. IF HE WAS SHOOTING ME UP W/NARCAN W/OPIATES BEING IN MY BODY STILL.
JUST THINK OF WHAT TAKING A SUB TO EARLY WOULD DO FOR US?
WHERE DID YOU GO GET THIS DONE, B/C THIS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE ULTRA RAPID DETOX.
IN URD YOU ARE PUT WAY UNDER, THEN THEY GIVE STUFF TO PULL THE OPIATES OUT NARCAN IS ONE, IF AWAKE YOU WILL SHIT, PUKE & EXC ON YOUR SELF.
WHEN YOU GET DOPE SICK HOW DO YOU FEEL, THEN WHAT IF SOMEONE GAVE YOU A SHOT OF NARCAN ON TOP OF THAT?

[kil092286]

Check this out... Is this what you were talking about with the Naltrexone Pellet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXFTeuV7GE

[robotears]

Yeah, if I was feelin ok just from the tramadol after 4 days, fuck paying 5 grand for URD. I can't imagin withdrawing from tramadol has got to be too hard. But I've never taken tramadol so my oppinion means doggy doo doo. Still for 5 grand it doesn't really sound like its worth it.

I use suboxone to maintain when I'm not gettin high off the H. Every Week, I will pop a suboxone just a few hours after my last shot of H. I have never experienced these horrible "precipitated withdrawls" I've always been warned out. I have no fear to take a tablet right after a shot of dope. I don't forsee anything negative happening. I remember my sub doc saying methadone is especially fucked up because it can cause you to go into PW's up to 3 days after you take your last dose a done. Has anyone here done methadone, and then eaten a suboxone or subutex before the recommended 3 day waiting period?

Chicago... You said you get subutex right? Have you ever experienced PW's from eatin em too early? Do you think mabe its because I get suboxone and not subutex? Or does it just differ from person to person? Thanks

[tptptp]

The best I've ever heard was that it was basically as bad as a normal WD but with a huge price tag.......

Don't they claim like 67% success rate for 1 year or something too? That's like tyhe infomerical guy telling you how you're gonna be rich, but when the program costs $9-15,000 don't you agree that it's fraud only for the fact that they give so many people false hope in how great it works...even if it were to get people through WD without pain (which seems to not be the case anyways).

At the same time they knock replacement drugs, & I've seen them say multiple times here about how if you spent so much wasn't that enough to get clean?? With no regard for the actual process...like they think thats why people should stay clean.

When you think about it though it should add to the success rate some, but doesn't seem to.

I'm sure some are better than other though overall I'd still advise opposite, so for $5,000 I'm assuming your doc wasn't the Waismann people?? There was one doc a while back that killed a bunch opf people doing this too. I'm sure there's some mild variation from place to place...but IMO this is jsut a way to give false hope to many people. super high success rate thgen they guilt trip people, "wasn't your family spending so much enough to get you to stay clean?" instead of trying to treat any mental problem. I think for this kind of money they should provide mental support too. Any treatment thats aimed at getting sober (not talking replacement but purely sober) with no mental support isn't a treatment at all.

The long term success rate for staying off opiates is like their "success rate" divided by 30.....and I'd bet if anything theirs is truly lower than that since they don't offer psychological support. Many families or the person themself less often dumping their savings into someone based on these high success rate giving them all false hope. Then the addict just feels SUPER guilty when he relapses, & the family feels cheated & hurt, and likely sad as hell. Not to mention broke.

BTW Mollywopped, I just re-read your post and it sounds similar but that's not exactly anesthesia assisted detox and what you paid is also about half the price of what this place charges I believe...

[Chicago]

I no for me, if I am not in bad w/d & pop a subutex, oh shit watch out w/d hell is knocking at my door.
It has to differ from person to person. b/c I also no people who would shoot up then take a SUBOXONE few hrs later & be kool? HOW.
Back in the day when subs 1rst came out my Dr. who also does all my buddies, says start off w/8mg then take 24-32mg a day.wtf
last time I took subutex was week b4 thanksgiving, waited 30hrs,took 2mg, then another 2mg 30min later was kool.
But I HAD SOME REAL BAD EXPERIANCES W/SUBOXONE EVEN AFTER 40HRS,I TOOK IT A FEW YRS AGO, then 5 min later I was on the floor rolling around, in pain, legs, back, excess salavia keep spitting sneezing, also took xanax clonodine & klonopin w/that. wow scary just thinking about it.

Yeah, if I was feelin ok just from the tramadol after 4 days, fuck paying 5 grand for URD. I can't imagin withdrawing from tramadol has got to be too hard. But I've never taken tramadol so my oppinion means doggy doo doo. Still for 5 grand it doesn't really sound like its worth it.

I use suboxone to maintain when I'm not gettin high off the H. Every Week, I will pop a suboxone just a few hours after my last shot of H. I have never experienced these horrible "precipitated withdrawls" I've always been warned out. I have no fear to take a tablet right after a shot of dope. I don't forsee anything negative happening. I remember my sub doc saying methadone is especially fucked up because it can cause you to go into PW's up to 3 days after you take your last dose a done. Has anyone here done methadone, and then eaten a suboxone or subutex before the recommended 3 day waiting period?

Chicago... You said you get subutex right? Have you ever experienced PW's from eatin em too early? Do you think mabe its because I get suboxone and not subutex? Or does it just differ from person to person? Thanks

[EleusisII]

Sounds pretty good. This took the whole day? Like how many hours?
And I was just wondering what kind of habit you had when you went in?

[SpecialGuy69]

Check this out... Is this what you were talking about with the Naltrexone Pellet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXFTeuV7GE


that video is gonna give me nightmares.

The whole concept of AAD in reality is that they get you really far away from home, where you have no connects and can\'t score any opiates, then they precipitate withdrawls, kick you out 1/2 way through, you feel like shit, but your fam just spent 15 grand and theres no way for you to score till you get home anyways, so you get clean by withdrawing, same as if you spent $30 on immodium and gatoraid.

I know a lot of people, especially girls (probably because elective surgery to them is so accepted and commonplace) who think that when things get really bad, they will just jet over to waissman for a quikkie detox and it will be fast and painless and they will move on with their lives. They dont believe me when i tell them the truth about aad

[ein0606]

Has anyone here done methadone, and then eaten a suboxone or subutex before the recommended 3 day waiting period?



i was once switching docs. i was ony a high amount of methadone and wanted back on

subs. well doc said that he would give me small amount of subs every half hour to get

the done out of me. he said it would be about a 3 hour process. i naivelly agrred. first i

started with 2 mgs. btw i took my last dose of 80 mgs done the day before. half later

took another 2 and so on, until i finally started to get sick. at first i was sick but was

thinking this isnt as bad as they mak it out to be its a peice of cake. 15 mins later i was

only the floor crying screaming for them to kill me.


it was absolutely terrorizing. that was by far the worst experience of my life. it lasted a

total of 2 hour which seemd an eternity. but while sick he just kept feeding me small

aamounts of subs ever 20-30mins saying "ian it will turn, hang in the bdduy" i have never

seen a doctor full of so much empathy. he was literally about to cry he felt so bad. but i

made it through drove home and started to get sick again, which wasa supposed to

happn. so i took more subs like he said this happened a few times until eventually i ran

out and it was 630pm so the office was closed and i couldnt get through on his cell.


so i was getting sicker and sicker so i just ended up going out and getting more

methadone. i know i know all that for nothing but i couldnt take that pain anymore.

precipitated withdrawls are 1000times worse than normal withdrawls to me.



aafter that he gave me fent patches, roxi 30's and dilaudid 8's for 3 weeks to get me off

the done. he is a great guy.

[pixiegirl]

i was once switching docs. i was ony a high amount of methadone and wanted back on

subs. well doc said that he would give me small amount of subs every half hour to get

the done out of me. he said it would be about a 3 hour process. i naivelly agrred. first i

started with 2 mgs. btw i took my last dose of 80 mgs done the day before. half later

took another 2 and so on, until i finally started to get sick. at first i was sick but was

thinking this isnt as bad as they mak it out to be its a peice of cake. 15 mins later i was

only the floor crying screaming for them to kill me.


it was absolutely terrorizing. that was by far the worst experience of my life. it lasted a

total of 2 hour which seemd an eternity. but while sick he just kept feeding me small

aamounts of subs ever 20-30mins saying "ian it will turn, hang in the bdduy" i have never

seen a doctor full of so much empathy. he was literally about to cry he felt so bad. but i

made it through drove home and started to get sick again, which wasa supposed to

happn. so i took more subs like he said this happened a few times until eventually i ran

out and it was 630pm so the office was closed and i couldnt get through on his cell.


so i was getting sicker and sicker so i just ended up going out and getting more

methadone. i know i know all that for nothing but i couldnt take that pain anymore.

precipitated withdrawls are 1000times worse than normal withdrawls to me.



aafter that he gave me fent patches, roxi 30's and dilaudid 8's for 3 weeks to get me off

the done. he is a great guy.

I had the absolute same experience with precip w/d on subs. it was 100x worse than cold turley w/d. i had waited about 16-20 hours after last shot of dope too before i took the subs. and after i dosed the subs, the w/d were so bad i wanted to die. ended up in the hospital to get iv fluids and such. and was bedridden for 3 weeks. no eating, no sleeping, puking, the whole deal. the worst symptom was the RLS. to me, that kicking is just hell. also the cold shivers suck pretty bad too.
this is why i am so reluctant to start on the subs again....
what is the trick?? so many people have such an easy transition. is it genetic make-up that makes us react differently? or is there a procedure that prevents this???

[Raisin]

I've gotten narcan 3 times and it did not precipitate wd's in all three cases. Couldn't get high the rest of the day but I was ok. One time, I came to from the narcan but 1/2 hr later was still high from the dope (waaay too big of a shot).

[eerased]

Last time I was on methadone I was on 110 a day. I went to the clinic told them I had a death in the famdamly and needed as many take homes as they would give. They gave me 13. I had 13 bottles of 110 mgs. I knew I could get myself off the done with that. I took one of those baby syrings and gave myself about 10-20 mgs every few hours at first...
The thing was I was leaving in my RV for the first time.
I traveled to Pittsburgh. I dont remember how long I was tapering but a friend I hadnt seen in ever gave me 10 subs. I never seen or used them before this. I immediately took two. I was a lil drunk as well. (wine)

Within a REAL short period of time I was in precipitated withdrawls so bad I wanted to die! We were in the middle of the mountains (just me an hubby) at this point and I thought I was dead. I didnt know anything about sub and meth causing precipitated withdrawls. My legs hurt so bad I was freezing sneezing ball of shit. I thought I oded. I had no idea how much 2 pills were either.:(

That was probably the stupidest thing I ever did. The worse 10-12 hours of my life.

The other 8 pills came in handy after I learned how to use them.. They really did help. Needless to say I was never able to get clean, when the subs ran out I just switched to oxy.

PS, I only wish I or my bf new about this site at this time it could have saved me a night of hell and him the 10 years of life he probably lost that night worring that I was going to die.

[GoddessofRATs]

Arghh, these stories are terrifying. I watched that pellet video, that doesn't seem to bad but i would't wanna do it not because I'm scared of the procedure, I've had more intense procedures done to me while awake LOL, but the thoughtof not being able to get high if i wanted. But, I'm the type of person who'd cut myself open just to get that thing out. Yea, I'm a girl but things like that don't bother me. I'd get a razor blade and cut right over the scar and get that fucker out lol.

I feel for you folks who've had to go through pw's. I only had a taste of it but i got some Tramadol and that overpowered the subs.

I'm getting heebie Geebies just thinking about all this.

Interesting stuff though.

GOR

[SpecialGuy69]

I had the absolute same experience with precip w/d on subs. it was 100x worse than cold turley w/d. i had waited about 16-20 hours after last shot of dope too before i took the subs. and after i dosed the subs, the w/d were so bad i wanted to die. ended up in the hospital to get iv fluids and such. and was bedridden for 3 weeks. no eating, no sleeping, puking, the whole deal. the worst symptom was the RLS. to me, that kicking is just hell. also the cold shivers suck pretty bad too.
this is why i am so reluctant to start on the subs again....
what is the trick?? so many people have such an easy transition. is it genetic make-up that makes us react differently? or is there a procedure that prevents this???

Its the drug your on prior to the switcheroo. If its a short halflife drug like dilaudid, fent or even oxy the changeover isnt bad. The problem is the methadone hangs around forever. If you are stabilized at 100mgs, it would take five days of NOTHING just to get the amound in your system under 10mgs. I think the ideal thing to change over from would be actiq or fentora because the halflife is so short that 24 hrs later there is next to nothing in your system.


oh GOR- its not the PROCEDURE that scares me, no biggie getting that done- it\'s the CHEMICALS that scare the living shit out of me. IV Narcan=precipitated withdrawl HELL! Nalextrone pellet under your skin=3-4 months of misery! I\'d dig that fukker out with a nail file!

[Chicago]

When I went to Waismann, & I was on 105mg of meth as well as dope, my instructions were not to take any metadone for a min of 48hrs or it will delay my ultra rapid detox & cost me more money for another day at the hospital.
So just imagine if you are just going to a urd for just metadone,WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSE TO DO FOR THEM 3 DAYS?
SINCE I WAS USING DOPE & METH, THE 3 DAYS OFF OF METH WAS STILL HELL,& FROM DOING 15BAGS AT THE TIME W/105MG OF METH, FOR THEM 3 DAYS I HAD TO DO 30BAGS JUST TO BE OK B/C W/D FROM THE METH AT THE SAME TIME. 5BAGS EVERY 4 HRS FOR 3 DAYS.
BUT LIKE I SAID WHAT IF YOU WEREE GOING TO WAISMANN TO GET OFF METH, WHAT DO YOU DO? 3DAYS OF HELL, THEN PAY 15GRAND , DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE.
WHEN CALLING WAISMANN & SAYING I AM SICK & HAVE NOT TAKEN METH FOR 48HRS & THE DOPE IS STILL NOT CUTTING IT CAN YOU RX ME SOMETHING, "CLAIRE SAYS NO NOT UNTILL YOU ARRIVE IN CALI"
FUNNY SHE PROMISED ME WHEN I ARRIVED IN CALI I WOULD HAVE MORPHINE WAITING AT THE PAHARMACIA, BUT NO NORCO'S & CLONODINE ,TEMEZAPAM & LEVSIN.
BIG DIFFERENCE FROM THE MORPHINE SHE HAD PROMISED ME & WAS REALLY LOOKING FOWARD TO GET OFF THE PLANE & RUSH TO PAHRM TO FIND OUT I AM GETTING HYDROCODONE. FUCKEN SUCKED BIG TIME & THE LET DOWN.:mad::(

Its the drug your on prior to the switcheroo. If its a short halflife drug like dilaudid, fent or even oxy the changeover isnt bad. The problem is the methadone hangs around forever. If you are stabilized at 100mgs, it would take five days of NOTHING just to get the amound in your system under 10mgs. I think the ideal thing to change over from would be actiq or fentora because the halflife is so short that 24 hrs later there is next to nothing in your system.


oh GOR- its not the PROCEDURE that scares me, no biggie getting that done- it\'s the CHEMICALS that scare the living shit out of me. IV Narcan=precipitated withdrawl HELL! Nalextrone pellet under your skin=3-4 months of misery! I\'d dig that fukker out with a nail file!

[mollywopped]

After you left the clinic did you have anymore physical w/ds? energy? positive thoughts? General umph to do anything?


I was was kinda groggy, but the first thing I did was go across the street to Del Taco and eat. Other than being kinda graoggy and feeling a little out of it, I was fine.

[mollywopped]

I CAN NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT WHAT MOLLYWOOPED SAID.
It's like saying hey I took a oxycontin or even a vicodin, then I took a subutex 1hr later.
If you still opiates in your body, & they give you narcan THINK OF THE HELL YOU WOULD GO THREW, If I take a subutex less then 30hrs I AM SICK AS HELL, as for the doctor giving you shots of narcan while on opiates sounds CRAZY.
With the way you described it, just the meds you got detoxed you alone.
If you can detox of tramadol & clonodine why pay 5grand.
Your worst was over.
I WOULD KILL A DR. IF HE WAS SHOOTING ME UP W/NARCAN W/OPIATES BEING IN MY BODY STILL.
JUST THINK OF WHAT TAKING A SUB TO EARLY WOULD DO FOR US?
WHERE DID YOU GO GET THIS DONE, B/C THIS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE ULTRA RAPID DETOX.
IN URD YOU ARE PUT WAY UNDER, THEN THEY GIVE STUFF TO PULL THE OPIATES OUT NARCAN IS ONE, IF AWAKE YOU WILL SHIT, PUKE & EXC ON YOUR SELF.
WHEN YOU GET DOPE SICK HOW DO YOU FEEL, THEN WHAT IF SOMEONE GAVE YOU A SHOT OF NARCAN ON TOP OF THAT?


They sedat ethe shit out of you and only give you tiny amounts of narcan at a time. I'm talking like 50 MICROgrams for the first few shots. I didn't puke or shit myself and was in no pain. Like I said, the only discomfort was the restless legs. They give you little tiny shots that get bigger as the day goes on until about 6 hours or so later they give you the final shot which is like a normal dose.

[mollywopped]

Check this out... Is this what you were talking about with the Naltrexone Pellet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXFTeuV7GE


Exactly. They give a couple of locals and then when he does the procedure you can only feel some slight pressure. That's it. And the naltrexone didn't have any bad side effects for me. They also have a shot that lasts a month and pills. The pellet is supposed to last 3 months. When I started to get the shots though I could tell that it only last ed about 3.5 weeks when they say it lasts from 4-6 weeks. It was kinda weird. I could tell when it ran out. I would be totally fine and then wake up one day and be feinding bad. That didn't go away until i got the next shot, then I was fine for another 3.5 weeks or so.

[mollywopped]

The best I've ever heard was that it was basically as bad as a normal WD but with a huge price tag.......

Don't they claim like 67% success rate for 1 year or something too? That's like tyhe infomerical guy telling you how you're gonna be rich, but when the program costs $9-15,000 don't you agree that it's fraud only for the fact that they give so many people false hope in how great it works...even if it were to get people through WD without pain (which seems to not be the case anyways).

At the same time they knock replacement drugs, & I've seen them say multiple times here about how if you spent so much wasn't that enough to get clean?? With no regard for the actual process...like they think thats why people should stay clean.

When you think about it though it should add to the success rate some, but doesn't seem to.

I'm sure some are better than other though overall I'd still advise opposite, so for $5,000 I'm assuming your doc wasn't the Waismann people?? There was one doc a while back that killed a bunch opf people doing this too. I'm sure there's some mild variation from place to place...but IMO this is jsut a way to give false hope to many people. super high success rate thgen they guilt trip people, "wasn't your family spending so much enough to get you to stay clean?" instead of trying to treat any mental problem. I think for this kind of money they should provide mental support too. Any treatment thats aimed at getting sober (not talking replacement but purely sober) with no mental support isn't a treatment at all.

The long term success rate for staying off opiates is like their "success rate" divided by 30.....and I'd bet if anything theirs is truly lower than that since they don't offer psychological support. Many families or the person themself less often dumping their savings into someone based on these high success rate giving them all false hope. Then the addict just feels SUPER guilty when he relapses, & the family feels cheated & hurt, and likely sad as hell. Not to mention broke.

BTW Mollywopped, I just re-read your post and it sounds similar but that's not exactly anesthesia assisted detox and what you paid is also about half the price of what this place charges I believe...


Not even close to as bad as normal w/d, not even in the same ballpark. I don't know what kind of a 1 year success rate they claim. I know they do give some stupid stat about how 90 some % of their patients get off of opiates, but technically, everybody that walks out the door after the procedure is off of opiates.

And yes, what I went through is not exactly AAD, but it is similar. IMO it seems much more mild. And it is at least half price, if not a third of the price. BTW, when I did it it was about 3 years ago, so the price may have come down.

Another thing about this, is I think they may have better success rates than other types of treatment due to who they treat. Most people who have the money to spend on these types of things are not hardcore junkies. Some may be, but I doubt that a lot of them are. I was actually one of their worst. when I told the doc the amount of dope I was doing, between the H and Dilaudid, he stopped writing and just kinda looked at me for a minute. He couldn't believe it, but I know people with bigger habits than I had. I was also the first person to admit to breaking through the naltrexone and skipping the appt for the shots. So, what I am saying, is I was about the worst junky they had had at the time and I know there are a lot of people way worse than me. So I think that their clients have a lot to do with their success rates.

What do you mean they give false hope? All they do is get you clean. Whether or not you stay clean is your deal, they aren't going to follow you around 24/7 and force you to stay clean. They told me about 1000 times that, "this is the easy part, the hard part is when you leave". The naltrexone is supposed to help and make it easier, but they are just there to detox you, not force you to stay clean.

[mollywopped]

Sounds pretty good. This took the whole day? Like how many hours?
And I was just wondering what kind of habit you had when you went in?


Read the original post, it's all in there. Or, read here. It took about 6 or 7 hours. I was shootin' about 2 grams a day, with some OC's and Dilaudid mixed in on occasion.

[mollywopped]

BTW, here is a link to the place I went to. It is called the Coleman Institute. I went to the one in La MIrada CA, which is just outside of Los Angeles. It was kinda weird actually. The office I went to was not a Coleman Institute office, it was just a normal doctor's office. I guess the doctor worked for Coleman though, because he ran his normal practice as well as this detox practice in the same office. It was kinda weird sitting next to some chick in there to get her baby looked at and I was there to get my heroin detox. Oh well, nobody knew. There were no signs or anything so you could not tell who was there for the regular practice and who was there for detox. I doubt the regular patients even know he does this there.

http://www.thecolemaninstitute.com/index.htm

[tptptp]

False hope, I mean their miracle success rates which many people believe. Many places doing this seem to pass it off as a miracle cure....you know and I've seen many places say that naltrexone completely takes away craviungs and all kinds of crap. I mean afterall for 10 grand I guess people are hopiong for that. Most junkies can't afford it either and when their families get involved to help it's a mess. It's nice to know it didn't go too bad for you, but from all the people I've talked to you seem to be the exception rather than the rule.