retaining water...

[SomniGod]

SWIM was drinking quite a bit and then on pods for 6 days. After day 3, (day 2 starting on pods) he noticed his feet were swollen...almost no ankles! His calfs are tight up to the knee. It's not going away... day 6 now. Getting worried about kidneys. Anyone know what's going on?


~S~

[blackdog]

i attribute swelling of ankles and feet etc. to the cuts in the dope. man sometimes i can't lace my workboots at all.i try to keep my feet up and my parents have these water pills......lasix i think??? and if you take one don't plan on going out of the house cause all you do is pee every 5 minutes.see what candy has to say,how's bout it candy dear? later peace da/dawgg:cool:

[SomniGod]

thanks blackdog... I am still pretty tripped out on this. Concerned family members want me to go to the ol doc...that'll mean finding opiates in the ol system.... which will be VERY bad! If I need to drop the tea bag for a minute, I will. However, if this is nothing to worry about, then I say brew like there's no tomorrow...or like it's going out of style...or like it is close to having most sources shutdown.....OUCH...gettin a lil to close to disaster there! Anyway, I'd love to hear from Candy and any one else who has any info on this type of experience.

THX,

~S~

[blackdog]

hey somni save yer money for other unnecessary reasons wink-wink nudge-nudge
my mommie is a retired nurse and added that usage of alot of salt will tend to cause water retention throughout the lower extremities.like i said keep yer legs raised up and if it doesn't seem to get any better or continues to get worse then of course by all means see the doc. i'll bet he gives you a scrip for the lasix pee pills lol anyway good luck. peace da/dawgg:cool:

[sidman]

Hey Somni.......that sounds pretty BAD!!! you are retaining a serious amount of water if you can't even see your ankles man!! See,what the problem IS though,is figuring out exactly WHAT the swelling is from!! You say you were drinking quite a bit,then went on to pods (AFTER the drinkin' binge right? or were you still drinkin' some when you started using the pod's?) and after a couple days you noticed the swelling? HMMMMM......this is the hard part,because at that time, you had JUST(practically) stopped drinkin' so it is hard to say if the swelling is a result of all the booze( if it WAS booze,which is what I am using to base my "theory" on ) or the pod's OR a combination of the two! Why were you drinking so much Somni? Were you trying to kill the "BEAST" until the next box o' pod's arrived? I would do that back in the past(but it usually only helped for a very short while and I would have to keep drinking COPIUS amounts,REPEATEDLY,just to vaguely keep my W.D'S somewhat dulled!) The problem could be from ALOT of thing's and maybe might have absolutely NOTHING to do with drinking or "podding" and it could be that you had a problem all this time but it didn't "rear it's ugly head" until this last period of excess!! There might be a problem with your kidney's because they are mad at you for making them filter stuff that is hard on them,so instead of them filtering anymore,they decided to say,"FUCK YOU SOMNI!! YOU JERK!!" and now the water get's stored in your lower leg's( water goes to the legs because of gravity, which provides the body with the easiest path to put the water and it won't have to hold it up somewhere else,when the hands also swell,it's because water gets trapped there because the average human walk's with their arms down by their side) and it get's trapped there until the kidney's feel like they want to get it outta there......
I know that alot of people(including myself) abuse drugs and alchohol so much that they do not feel anything,or any pain and therefore they don't realize that they are sick until something drastic happen's. They would have probably known(including me--I am very guilty of self neglect due to being wasted all the time) if they didnt or if they werent so messed up all the time. That is why alot of people quit drinkin/druggin/smokin' (AFTER MANY YEARS) and then they find out they got cancer or something and they drop dead shortly after!! This happened to my uncle Ken. He quit everything then a few months later he found out he had cancer that spread all around his body,then he died 3 month's later. This happened to a few other of my family members too,and if I dont get a handle on things it may happen to me too!!
Somni........bro'.........fellow Opiophile.....I am not trying to scare you or anything but what I am trying to say is that you really should go to see your doc'!! SO what if he find's opi's in the ol' system!! you don't gotta tell 'im your a full blown junky or nothin'....shit,you could even print out an article(you know you can get one off the net!! a reliable one too!!) of how poppy seed bagels make false positive urine test's,so that if he bitches,then you could go back to him the next day and say,"you know,I myself was sooooooooo BAFFLED at why or how my urine came back positive that I did some research and...............VOILA!!"
THE POINT IS BRO........WITHOUT YOUR HEALTH,YOU GOT NOTHIN' AND HOW CAN YOU ENJOY A NICE GLASS O' "TEA" WHEN YOU AINT GOT NOTHIN'? ESPECIALLY YOUR LIFE!!
Go get checked out man!! I am sure I'm not the only one worried (just a little!) about ya.....you are liked around here you know!! Do the right thing....TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF MAN!!

[SomniGod]

Damn it , Sidman! CAn't you see that I am living my life with the ONE INTENT of not having to be redponsible for ANYTHING?!?! I mean, if I start giving a damn about myself, then that means I'm gonna have to care about other things...and people! And I am just not sure that I wanna start down that road...it only leads to compassion, stability, conscience (NO... I KNOW I don't want THAT!!). Anyway, nah I'm just playin, I really DID want an easy answer, but I already know what the answer will be...and I don't wanna face that....cuz you know it's gonna take 1 of the 3 things that I love in this world. Pussy weed and dope...and my snowboard...I love it too (not that it does me any good here in FL! Oh well.). I really would still like to hear some 2nd opinions!


~S~

[antony]

this girl i knew went through that...till she gave birth.;) i know thats not possible with you, but everytime im heavly opiated i have trouble urinating, and after the benders you've had maybe the alcohol hasn't left you yet...so maybe its just bladder "constipation"

[Coddfish]

S-if your bloating has something to do w/salt a good idea would be to drink MORE H2O. That dilutes the salt and makes it easier to flush everything out. In any case, it's rarely a bad idea to drink a crapload of water. Sugar takes up water too, as do carbs and, as I know you know, opies. Maybe all this crap added up to the perfect bloat.
coddfish

[hovadagod]

http://www.cofwa.org/Lymphedema.pdf

This could help....pump, tea...close enough.

[hovadagod]

http://82.165.224.221/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=32778&TOPIC_ID=2866&FORUM_ID=4

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Addiction/messages/30626a.html

http://www.medhelp.org/perl6/addiction/messages/31543a.html

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=6383&name=METHADONE%20HCL

[mkchll]

I was having the same problem a few months ago when I took really high doses of methadone. My feet and ankles would swell up so large you couldn't see my ankles (kankles). They were the size of my shins and hurt like a muthafucka to walk and caused me to limp around but I was high so it wasn't to bad.. evryone would notice when I was barefoot. This went on for like 4-5 months and just stopped happening one day. I'd love to know why this was happening or a cause. It must have something to do with opiates. Candy must know the answer.

[poppy]

Mkchll, What do you class as really high doses of methadone? Just interested. Laters Poppyx

PS Regarding Somni's fluid retention I'm sure candy will have the answer!!

[mkchll]

250-300mg's for a nice 24hr glow..:)

[hovadagod]

One of the links I put up suggests that methadone can do it.

[exitwound]

SWIM was drinking quite a bit and then on pods for 6 days. After day 3, (day 2 starting on pods) he noticed his feet were swollen...almost no ankles! His calfs are tight up to the knee. It's not going away... day 6 now. Getting worried about kidneys. Anyone know what's going on?


~S~

Sounds iffy, man. I'd take it easy and if you have insurance, maybe run to the doc for some organ function blood tests?

[candy]

Somni...
All opiates have what is called an "antidiuretic affect." This will cause water retention.
I believe it has something to do with the ADH or AntiDiuretic Hormone, which is secreted by the Hypothalamus and opiates have an affect on the ADH. Hypertension or high blood pressure can cause water retention as well. Any history of heart problems?

I would be careful with this. Are your legs painful to the touch or are they changing color? Meaning are they red or purplish in color? When you press on the legs and ankles with your finger does it leave an indentation that does not go away quickly? This is called pitting edema and is not really something you want to have, especially over a long period.

Are you having any other symptoms, such as shortness of breath, pain in the legs when walking? How often are you urinating daily?

I agree with elevating your legs when your sitting. This will help to decrease the swelling. Be really careful about taking drugs such as Lasix. Not available OTC. It can alter your levels of Potassium and Sodium, which are essential in muscle contraction and your heart is a muscle. Taking too much can cause heart problems you don't want. It can also alter the levels of other electrolytes and leave you feeling worse.

If this does not improve or gets worse, I would see a doctor right away. It could be from the opiates. I know Methadone really causes water retention.
Just don't let it go on for much longer and if it should get worse or you have other symptoms, such as shortness of breath when your not exerting yourself, I would seek medical care right away.
Let me know how it goes.

[sidman]

thanx candy!! Hear THAT SOMNI????!!!!!!