pot smokers on bupe please enter

[born2lose]

so, my doctor tested me for the first time today, benzos came up but that was ok bc he's rx'ing me librium for benzo w/drawl but i also came up positive for pot and he basically said if im not testing negative for thc then he will make me come in 2 weeks later and if im still not testing negative he's gona give me a "really quick ween" and boot me out his program...anyways, id think these dr's who are treating people addicted to hard drugs would not care about some pot, im curious if anyone elses doctor is like this, is this normal w bupe doctors?

[lunchbox]

clinics are strict on being clean of all substance from my experience

[zenpunk]

agreed, anything that counts as self-medication, even something all-natural like pot, they are going to throw a fit about and kick you out of the program.

[warmgun]

even something all-natural

lol.

[lunchbox]

all-natural breasts

[Nate]

Ill take pot over the bupe thanks.

Get as many extra bupe pills you can and taper yourself.

[BettyBeautiful]

My hub tested positive on his ua today at the bupe clinic for pot, we both tested positive for benzos (our doc does not allow), but for as judgmental as she was in our initial visit she was pretty cool about it.

She told him to be careful, as we don't want to switch one addiction for another (as if opiates & pot are in the same addiction class, never heard of a pot user going through as serious wd's as opiate user). Anyway, we decided that we shouldn't push our luck and make sure next month we're all clean.

I guess it is for each doc to decide how they want to handle. It's funny cause my doc downright refuses to rx benzos and was cool about the drug test mishap, while your guy is just the opposite.

We just got a cup and could go into the office bathroom, no escort, no one watching, maybe if you have the same situation you can give someone else pee (just make sure the temp is correct) or use the "stuff".

Good Luck.

[Black_Pony]

That sucks and blows my mind. Any croaker in the bupe-business is a fucken low-life in my opinion to begin with. You're PAYING them (through the teeth) to treat your OPIATE addiction. Not to pass judgements on other aspects of your life. Who friggen cares if you smoke, argh, this type of ignorance and blind allegance to the 'say no to drugs' policy enrages me!

That fucker should test for opiates, period. In fact, my sub doc NEVER tests me, for ANYTHING. You might be better off telling this shady-ass croaker where to shove it and find a more reasonable one. Bupe docs are shady as hell to begin with, the fact that this one feigns some kind of moral aversion to marijuana is just plain silly.

agreed, anything that counts as self-medication, even something all-natural like pot, they are going to throw a fit about and kick you out of the program.

[robotears]

I've got the coolest suboxone doctor there is... I think lol. He rarley drug tests me since the first time I told him I relapsed. Weed is small patatoes to him. Since I told him the truth once, he thinks I am toltally honest. I'll send you his info if you want, but you'll have to drive to smithtown to see him. I'm wayy out east and I still drive an hour to see him cause he's soo awesome lol

[Nate]

I could unterstand if the treatment was free, then yeah ok I gotta follow by your rules.

But not if Im paying through the fucking teeth, and some doc is going to tell me when i can and cannot put into my body. Pot of all things, show me some interactions between opaites and pot that could be dangerous.

Tell the doc to fuck off. Would you shop at Walmart if they told you that you couldn't be a smoker.

Business is business, docs run a business, take YOUR business elsewhere.

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

My Dr doesn't tolerate Pot for his Sub or Methadone program,nor does he tolerate any prescription drugs which HE did not prescribe himself.I almost got kicked out for using Maxide which is a blood pressure med I had got from my gynecologist.My Methadone/ex-Sub Dr gave me Clonidine instead which I totally love more then maxide.
Also I do the same thing use someone elses urine and srape a lil sub/or methadone plus a lil clonidine and run it threw a coffee filter so there are no floatys.I also run the sink water on hot while I am suppose to be peeing and add that to the sample so the cup is warm to the touch

[havok]

Do you go to a clinic for your bupe, or do you just see a regular doctor once a month for a prescription for the bupe? If you go to a clinic (like a methadone clinic) I could maybe see why they would get upset, but if you just see a regular doctor, which is by far the better way, I don't see why he would kick you to the curb for smoking pot.

In my opinion, pot is almost as good as bupe to help you get OFF of hard opiates. It is great at stimulating your appetite and helps with nausea, depression, etc. If I were a doctor, I would recommend medical marijuana to my patients trying to get off dope.


Also I do the same thing use someone elses urine and srape a lil sub/or methadone plus a lil clonidine and run it threw a coffee filter so there are no floatys.I also run the sink water on hot while I am suppose to be peeing and add that to the sample so the cup is warm to the touch

Haha, that cracks me up. What a creative way to "pass" a drug test when on subs/methadone. I am glad to hear that works. I thought that just adding a piece of the pill to your urine wouldn't work, but its good to know it does work.

[tptptp]

Blah, most 'done clinics don't even care if they're private and paid out of pocket.

Your solution is to quit pot, quit bupe, or go to naabt.org find a doc who allows it and make sure to tell your old doc about why you're leaving!

Pot is none of his concern. Many doctors wont care, as long as you aren't doing opiates or sometimes other hard drugs. Weed? I think if you don't live too rural you can find a doc who will let you on by...

[kevin]

Most Bupe docs are way stricter than MMT clinics. When I was on MMT I tested positive for pot every UA and sometimes benzos as well. All they would do is say "stop that!" but never threatened to do jack.

[BettyBeautiful]

I totally agree with you guys, I cannot run insurance for my doctor visits so she gets the cash at rates my insurance company would scoff at and pay her .30 on the dollar. In addition, the meds are freaking expensive. Speaking of visits, my doctor sees my hub & I together in the same room at the same time, yet we still pay for two office visits.

Also our UA's are charged in cash $25, in addition, to our office visits, rx's, etc. What really stinks about UA's is that the stuff dr's should be concerned about, meth, coke, heroin, and others disappear in days while the least severe (IMO) pot lasts much longer, so you can't tell if you smoked on the way into the office or 4 weeks prior.

But whatever, you gotta do what you gotta do - I am going to take as little as possible this month, stock up, and make that $300. month script last as long as possible. It sucks...

[robotears]

My Dr doesn't tolerate Pot for his Sub or Methadone program,nor does he tolerate any prescription drugs which HE did not prescribe himself.I almost got kicked out for using Maxide which is a blood pressure med I had got from my gynecologist.My Methadone/ex-Sub Dr gave me Clonidine instead which I totally love more then maxide.
Also I do the same thing use someone elses urine and srape a lil sub/or methadone plus a lil clonidine and run it threw a coffee filter so there are no floatys.I also run the sink water on hot while I am suppose to be peeing and add that to the sample so the cup is warm to the touch


You gotta be careful adding water to your urine sample. Some (not all) cups have the thermometer on the side. So if your using someone elses urine, you better be sure you keep it at 98.6. Otherwise you have to little by little, add hot water until the thermometer creeps up to the right temp. Don't hand over a sample with a temp. of 50 degrees. They'll know whats up lol. They confronted me about my sample being a little warmer than it should and I just said I have a fever. Its tricky to get the temp to exactly 98.6.

[Black_Pony]

Actually, I'm pretty sure its normal for a sample to be a few degrees below 98.6. The bottles (cups) I'm used to have a plastic temp strip on the side going from like 92 to 100 or something like that, and when I get bottled, they usually just look to see it registers on the scale.

I take the sample (or diluting water) and store it in my pants close to my body pressed up against my skin until it gets to the same temp. if I need it fast, I'll microwve the clean sample for like 10 seconds or use warm tap water to begin with.

BEWARE: I've used this trick to dilute my urine before (by adding body temp water to my sample) and failed! I had diluted my sample about 75/25 water/urine (in my estimation) before and STILL showed positive for opiates and THC. I thought I needed to piss a little to add some color but even that diluted I failed.

Hence my advice is to get a pure sample and try and make sure NONE of your contaminated urine gets in the mix. I was sorely disappointed by a ratio I had convinced myself would be good enough. The specimen taker was STARING at my johnson the whole time so I had to use my free hand to cover the water bottle, it was an impressive slight of hand that only resulted in a dirty test.

Oh, well. Better luck next time i guess.





You gotta be careful adding water to your urine sample. Some (not all) cups have the thermometer on the side. So if your using someone elses urine, you better be sure you keep it at 98.6. Otherwise you have to little by little, add hot water until the thermometer creeps up to the right temp. Don't hand over a sample with a temp. of 50 degrees. They'll know whats up lol. They confronted me about my sample being a little warmer than it should and I just said I have a fever. Its tricky to get the temp to exactly 98.6.

[mikells43]

pretty much if u go to a bupe doc who dont want you to do things ur own way ur going to have to follow his/her rules or go to a diff bupe doctor. I have been to 3 total. my one now does not test cause she does not find it ness. my first one tested i think(i was too fucked up to remember). my 2nd one tested every time. but if u want to smoke pot thats ur busness. and its ur choice to do what u want. if u want to stay with that doc then quit the pot, if ud ont then go to anouther doctor. the therey with alot of docs is complete abstenence is what they are aming for. but that rarely happens. for me i hate pot . never liked it that much. but thats me. so i dont kno what to tell u. but u have the right to hire/fire ur doc. pick wisely next time thats all..

[born2lose]

pretty much if u go to a bupe doc who dont want you to do things ur own way ur going to have to follow his/her rules or go to a diff bupe doctor. I have been to 3 total. my one now does not test cause she does not find it ness. my first one tested i think(i was too fucked up to remember). my 2nd one tested every time. but if u want to smoke pot thats ur busness. and its ur choice to do what u want. if u want to stay with that doc then quit the pot, if ud ont then go to anouther doctor. the therey with alot of docs is complete abstenence is what they are aming for. but that rarely happens. for me i hate pot . never liked it that much. but thats me. so i dont kno what to tell u. but u have the right to hire/fire ur doc. pick wisely next time thats all..
ya, i might look for a new doctor, i just dont want to have to pay for another "initiation" visit or whatever the first visit is----this doctor charged me liek 250 for that and my insurance isnt taken so its cash out my pocket and its 90 and 110 every visit after...110 for when he "decides" to drug test me, the doctor is highly respected in the "recovery" community here on LI but he's not even so nice, and personally i dont think hes all that great so im gona make some calls and find a dr who at least accepts my insurance...thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciation! :)

[Opiyum]

so, my doctor tested me for the first time today, benzos came up but that was ok bc he's rx'ing me librium for benzo w/drawl but i also came up positive for pot and he basically said if im not testing negative for thc then he will make me come in 2 weeks later and if im still not testing negative he's gona give me a "really quick ween" and boot me out his program...anyways, id think these dr's who are treating people addicted to hard drugs would not care about some pot, im curious if anyone elses doctor is like this, is this normal w bupe doctors?

I've failed a few times for THC but it amounts to nothing more than a slap on the wrist with my current doc. A quick ween sounds like a bluff to me. I think he's more interested in his bottom line. At least in my experience thats all they care about.

[mikells43]

if u call around. just tell whatever docs office u call that u are allready induced and stable on it. and u dont need that inital long consult. thats the moneymaker for some docs tho. the crook docs cycle the shit out of patients to keep getting that first time fee, but since the 30 pt limit went to 100 they really dont have to cycle them like they used to. but make sure u find the right doc, some are in it for the money only, theres docs in new england that meet u in fucking parking lots for sub appts cause theya re such crooks, they are makiing 1 mill in a half of a year writing bupe . sad

[Opiyum]

Your right Mik it's just really hard to find a doctor doing it out of the kindness of their heart. I've been trying for a year to find a way to save myself some money and I still can't find anything under 60$ per two week dose or 120$ per month.

I recently did another search of sub certified docs and the numbers, at least in our area, have grown quite a bit so I'm goin to try another round and see if I can't save myself some money. More importantly I want to find a doctor I can work with on a more personal level or at least someone who is interested in helping me ween off this stuff. A doctor that understands basically.

[Suboxstitute]

Betty, maybe take the advice and either stock up and taper on your own (easier said than done, it can take a while as you probably know) OR find a different doc. They are not all assholes.

I've never "peed for my sub". I came into the office in w/ds and that was good enough.

Now that they can take 100 patients at a time (in most instances).... it's not like hordes of people are waiting in line outside to take your place. Of course, I don't know if you live in an area where there are a lot of choices.

As others suggested take a look at the naabt.org site to see if there are doctors in your area - they do NOT all choose to be listed, though, so it doesn't mean they aren't any.

You might be able to find a cheaper place, plus one that isn't constantly thowing a cup at you to pee in! Or pissing (no pun intended) and moaning 'cause you smoked some pot.

I guess maybe my place is unusal - but NO pee tests, not even at the beginning.

[sexualhealing]

my bupe doc must rock then....doesnt care about the pot at all.....

got one piss test so far, the nurses tried to give me about 20 and i just tell them "i drove an hour and a half to get here, i just peed, get me a drink please and ill go after i visit with the doc"


they say, "Ok ill say something to the doc but that should be fine"

My doc never mentions a piss test. not once. not ever. not even a lil, "so i hear u couldnt pee today"...


and the only test i was stupid enough to take (stupid as it was 300 bucks out of pocket, no insurance being used here), came back with pot/klonopin/and subs..... he expected the all...but he says to me something along the lines of "so ur test was fine, THC as expected, no problems"


and that was that....


and btw, my bupe tastes goooood right now 12mg half down :)

[ZodiacKiller]

^ Same here--my Bupe doc could give two shits about anything I test positive for. I've admitted to relapsing on H---no problem. I've admitted to blowing through a months worth of benzos in a week---no problem, here's some more. Out of 2 piss tests (in 2 years in the program), one time he said "as soon as we've got a handle on your opiate problem, then maybe we'll work on the cannabis".

And this doc is part of a huge conglomerate psychiatric hospital system (Aurora), but he doesn't care, it seems. Whatever works for him and his patients is what he's gonna do. Guess I'm lucky---some of you seem to have Nazi docs from hell...



ZK

[SpecialGuy69]

my sub doc was cool as hell! 85 bucks a visit, too.

I spent about a year in treatment with him, got clean for a while, then had a fucked up painful ass injury... Guess who I went to see?

I told him that I wanted to see him about my pain because we trust each other (it IS a two way steet) and he knows my FULL history. He wanted to treat my pain with subs, but after a long discussion, he agreed to treat my pain with methadone. He is one cool ass doctor, REALLY understands my situation- that I do have REAL pain, and if someone doesnt treat it realistically, Im gonna end up treating it myself and back on subs. Hows that for a cool sub doc? I\'ll put him up against any sub doc for coolest in country. He\'s never HEARD the word urinalysis!

[Scagermeister]

My bup doc never asked about weed, nor bothered to test me. He was more concerned about probing into my mental health and always asked me whether I wanted to get on an antidepressant, because I seemed "down". I'm not sure how he could indicate any type of depression after meeting with him only 4 times, 15 minutes each.

Sub seemed to block the majority of effects of THC at first. I was on 16 mgs a day though. I only take 2 now and the ganj seems to almost potentiate me into a "pseudo-nod"

And yeah, this doc was shady as hell. He is on sub himself. Used to be hooked on IV fentanyl. Had his MD license revoked, and eventually became retrained in psychiatry. I still think he fucks around with opi's though, he seemed kinda fucked up at one appt. Either that or he takes something like xannies with it.

[born2lose]

thanks for the advice guys, i really mean it
in the end i am seeing a new doc and a new one
after if need be (insurance = good) there's so
many in my area too, there's gotta be a number
who dont mind thc in a ua or even rx'ing benzos

[mikells43]

Your right Mik it's just really hard to find a doctor doing it out of the kindness of their heart. I've been trying for a year to find a way to save myself some money and I still can't find anything under 60$ per two week dose or 120$ per month.

I recently did another search of sub certified docs and the numbers, at least in our area, have grown quite a bit so I'm goin to try another round and see if I can't save myself some money. More importantly I want to find a doctor I can work with on a more personal level or at least someone who is interested in helping me ween off this stuff. A doctor that understands basically.


Arthur David, MD
1517 Forbes Ave
Pittsburg, PA 15219
412-232-3555 did u try him????????? i kno u go to pittsburgh to get ur bupe. he contacted me on naabt. hes around 100 for a month.

[Opiyum]

THats who I go to now. It's 130$ a month +20$ if you get a drugscreen.

[chopstix]

With amount of money I pay, if my doctor came near me with a piss cup, I'd tell her she's nuts - this is a total racket!! I pay, on average, $340 a month - $100 per visit and $120 for 15ct subutex from her office, not the pharmacy - I'm getting reamed. The visits are every other month now but still, this shit is expensive, better that $40/day but still.. That's a nice car payment!!

The junkies I met in MA pay something like $10/mo to the state for all the sub they need..

[sexualhealing]

With amount of money I pay, if my doctor came near me with a piss cup, I'd tell her she's nuts - this is a total racket!! I pay, on average, $340 a month - $100 per visit and $120 for 15ct subutex from her office, not the pharmacy - I'm getting reamed. The visits are every other month now but still, this shit is expensive, better that $40/day but still.. That's a nice car payment!!

The junkies I met in MA pay something like $10/mo to the state for all the sub they need..


it can be quite expensive...

specilly for us who do not want to be forever be labeld as a drug seeker/opiod dependant by the insurance companies and pay out of pocket as i and many many others do....

they kill u on the induction alot of times, making you go in one day, then the next, then a week later, then a month later, then each month, etc etc....my doc knew i had taken sub prior to going in, only a small dose, and told me to take more, wrote a script, knew i drove an hour and a half and let me skip induction...had to go back in 2 weeks for dose adjustment....

had one pee test which cost 300 some bucks, never again. each visit is 75....every 3 months now....

and each script of 50 8mgs is 260ish+ lil more i think.....

thank god i have family to help, or id be better of on dope...

[allover]

So I have only seen my sub doctor once, on the initial consultation. That was just earlier this week and I got a month supply of subs (60 8mg). During our visit, he mentioned to me that it would be nice for me to quit smoking pot and drinking, but he didn't say anything about kicking me out of the program if I were to continue both. He did however, highly warn against stimulants, but still didn't say I would be kicked out for using them. No biggie there as I don't like stimulants anyway.

[rizzo]

my doctor is cool as shit,as long as i dont piss positive for dope.pot,coke shes cool with.i guess it varies.

[born2lose]

just wanted to let all know i found a new doctor...its actually a nurse practitioner AND doctor, they spent over an hour n half w me...they said they'd LIKE to see me in a program (therapy BS) bc it increases my chances but they arent forcing it on me, and they arent piss testing me
looks like i found a good doc, thanks for the responses
peace
b2l