Dirty Tox

[mmnyc9]

Has anyone had a Urine test come back positive for Opiates when you were clean?

[candy]

How long ago was it that you last used.
Interestingly enough, but I had a urine test come back clean once and was only off the junk for a few days. Imagine that!

I would either question the clinic I am at and ask to be re-tested. If it has been a significant amount of time and you have not used, I would question the clinic!

You should be OK after a few weeks.

[mmnyc9]

How long ago was it that you last used.
Interestingly enough, but I had a urine test come back clean once and was only off the junk for a few days. Imagine that!

I would either question the clinic I am at and ask to be re-tested. If it has been a significant amount of time and you have not used, I would question the clinic!

You should be OK after a few weeks.


That's just it I did not use! My Urine Came back positive for Opiate and Benzo, the Benzo is Correct as per my Script but the opiate is not. If it were only Opiate without the Benzo I would see the problem. The fact that the Benzo was there makes me look Gulity, which sad to say I am not. I have not touched any Opiates for a long time. This had me in a Kunundeum because everyone says "It's a mistake I haven't done anything". My Counsler looked at me like save it for someone who gives a shit. since then all my Urines have been clean still who want's a dirty when you really havn't.:mad:
I was so pissed I had forgot I posted this!

[prettypoppy]

Many things can cause a false positive for opiates. Poppy seed bagels or cake, certain antibiotics, Immodium, etc. Have them send your test off for a GCMS confirmation test. It can screen out all those false positives and tell the difference. Except with poppy seeds--those will make you test pos for opiates on any test.

[mmnyc9]

I have heard different things on Poppy seeds a small amount like whats on a bagel should not give a positive but I am staying away from them just the same. I did a little research on what can give false positives what I found is anything from the above mentioned to Kiddney problems can give a posivtive.
Not wanting to get stressed out I just left it. It really threw me for a loop.

[prettypoppy]

At my clinic, the staff decided to check out the poppy seed theory and they all ate 2 bagels and took a UA opiate dipstick test, and they ALL came up positive for opiates! I have read that it takes 2-3 teaspoons of seeds to cause a positive test. If you get tested regularly, it's best to just avoid the darn things.

[blackdog]

At my clinic, the staff decided to check out the poppy seed theory and they all ate 2 bagels and took a UA opiate dipstick test, and they ALL came up positive for opiates! I have read that it takes 2-3 teaspoons of seeds to cause a positive test. If you get tested regularly, it's best to just avoid the darn things.

what you want me to give up my poppyseed bagel slightly toasted with a little butter on one side and some cream cheese on the other side,then some thinly sliced nova lox and some thin or thick sliced bermuda onion put together and cut across in half ...ummmm ummmmmm oh man thats what i'm talkin bout yummmmm peace da/dawgg:cool:

[mmnyc9]

You guys are Funny. I wish they were that open minded at my Clinic. And I'm in the Meth Capital When I think of Texas Bagels and Methadone aren't the first things that come to my mind. either way no Poppy seed Bagels for me.today being Sunday I think I'll go with the Lox, Scallion Cream Cheese, Tomato, Big Bermuda Onion on a Garlic or Onion Bagel. Can you say Munches man that does sound good I'm going for it. Thanks for the idea

[hovadagod]

Black doe is a nice jewish new yorker just like me. I'd never guessed it though.

[hovadagod]

I; mean I'm form Alaska

[Coddfish]

In the clinics I was in, the test had to have a certain amount of opiate before it was "positive." Like, if you used a few days before the test and you still had opies in your system, you probably wouldn't get nailed because there wouldn't be that much in there. I skirted by a few times thanks to that policy. I have heard that that is not the case everywhere, though. That sucks about the false positive. One of the worst feelings in the world when you tell the truth and no one believes you. Much better to tell a lie and everyone believes you.

[mmnyc9]

When he told me he was kinda sly, asking me "so what Meds are you taking?" I have a script for Benzo's he knew that, I was in shock. I just transfered to this Clinic coming from a Discharge for
arguing with a counselor,imagine that I was on another PG for 5 years-not one wright up for anything bad. Take homes and all, this new Consoler says I threatened her she's there 6 days never worked as a Counselor before doesn't have one fucking clue about me. I would never threaten a woman forget threatening Staff it's something I would not do. Anyway I was discharged so I loose my pickups and have to start from the beginning. Ok what's done is done I'm not in the new clinic more then 4 weeks and this counselor is telling me I have a dirty Urine. I am thinking the Methadone Police are out to get me and starting to believe in UFO's and anal Probes. I had learned my lesion from my prior experience with lying counselors so I did not want to say a word to this guy. My response after disbelief was can we talk about this in a few days, it's wrong I didn't use anything so let me try and figure out WTF is going on. You think he was understanding? Fuck no he's looking at me like save it I have heard it all before. The one thing he said that made me feel a little better was after 3 months if this is the only dirty I'll ignore it. I just focused on that so far that was it. Talk about stress

[mmnyc9]

It happened again. 7 weeks after the first False Positive. I get another one. Positive for Opiates. I am fucking Pissed! Now I have to go through all this Bullshit. I am going to take a Hair test this will cover at least 90 days I have to pay for this test. I am going to be very Patient and not argue with anyone, that's what they want. If I get all crazy and give them a reason to to discahrge or write me up. No way I won't give them the pleasure.

Does anyone have any experince with giving a False Positive? I would really like to hear about it. This is so Fucked up! If my job was on the line I can imagine how devastating this could be.

[jab]

Man, what a crappy situation, I'm sorry. I wish there was something I could do to help.

You are handling things very maturely, so keep it up, and things will work out for the best! I hope the hair test goes well, and wish you all the luck in the world resolving this quickly. The suggestion above for a GC/MS test is a valid one. Maybe ask the clinic to submit it, and tell them you'll pay for it (it's rather pricey) if it still comes up dirty for anything other than what is expected, and they pay if your clean. It may even be worth just paying for it up front in this case, so you can prove your case.

Good luck!!

[mmnyc9]

I found out today that the Clinic I'm on gives two types of tests. One is the standard Urine and the other is a oral swab. Why I wasn't offerd the oral swab after the first urine is beyond me. I asked my Counselor if they would retest my urine. he said they couldn't. I went over every option I thought might help me, this was 7 weeks ago the first dirty tox. "let's be on guard for this if it happened once it could happen again". "Can I know right away if there is a dirty so I can retest in the same time period". "Can we retest the urine". I wanted to make sure this didn't happen again, his response was all negative, no it's to late to retest, no they don't keep the urine and there is nothing he could do about the time that goes by. Yesterday I spoke with the Clinical coordinator he tells me " well do a oral swab" I had seen other patients doing some kinda test I didn't think anything of it I thought it was some thing for Diabetes or some other Medical type test. Now I find out this Clinic does both. Of course the Oral swab is more expensive. I could see the labs (private) wanting this but not the Clinic. Why the Fuck this asswhole Counselor didn't offer me this test 7 weeks ago I can only imagine. I have never heard of a Clinic offering two types of tox tests. I asked a girl who just had this oral test done why she was was doing this instead of Urine. Her response "I travel along way to get here and I can't hold it". I am thinking Yeah so you have to go to the Bathroom when you get here. It didn't make any sense. Anyway I know I can't use other patients as examples it doesn't work they just say everyone is different and all this other Bullshit. Besides it distracts away from my issue. I am so Pissed off

[Coddfish]

Hey brother, it sounds like you've been victimized by the dope gnomes. They strike in 7 week intervals, and always while their unsuspecting victims are asleep. Bastards.

[poppy]

Tests are not always accurate!!!! A few weeks ago my partner and I both (supposedly??) stopped taking heroin on top of our methadone scripts for four days ready to do a (clean from heroin) urine test at the meth clinic which is essential if you want to keep your script. Anyway experience has taught us more or less exactly how long we need to stop using heroin for if we are to do the afore mentioned clean test: its always takes 84 hours (minimum) from our last hit of heroin.)Or so we thought!
Usually we are given a swab test, but on this occasion because we needed to see the doctor (rather than a drug worker) for a review. We were given urine tests so they had an instant result regarding our recent drug use, as the swab tests are sent away for analysis and can take up to a week to come back.
Anyway my urine test was clean, as I expected but my boyfriend's wasn't!!! which I didn't expect. You can imagine the arguments this result caused, especially as he strongly claimed he was innocent and hadn't been using behind my back (which is an issue we've both always had strong beliefs about, basically we don't believe in lies or secrets and therefore share everything includingdrugs as we've seen many relationships go down the pan as a direct result of heroin abuse, with couples lying to each other about their drug use and money.
We actually split up over this result!! I posted a few weeks back on another thread about the collapse of my relationship due to heroin and this was the main reason for our split, the cherry on the cake if you like. Those of us who are in relationships know how hard opiates can make things. Anyway we'd been having a bad patch and were arguing mainly about drugs and this seemed like empirical evidence that my boyfriend wasn't serious about giving up.
Anyway he kept protesting his innocence (to no avail). Then when the results from the oral swabs came back, both our tests were both clean!!
I've had to make up big time (just joking he's not that bad.....!!) Basically what I'm saying is you can't always rely 100% on drug tests. Apparently the urine tests, though easier to fake eg using someone elses' urine, are actually more sensitive than the swab tests. (that's what my drug worker says anyway)
We are now trying to sort things out between us so my 'death of relationship' thread was a little premature. I hope we can sort things out.

[mmnyc9]

My wife doesn't do drugs at all she is totally cool and very supportive of me. She was more upset then me. I can relate to you with relationships and lies, it sucks. I try never to lie to anyone about anything that's just me I am not a good liar. it never came easy for me to lie to people. It's a waste of time and energy and is very ugly.But I have been in a few where I have been lied to, it sucks. Hopefully you can work things out.

[poppy]

Thanks for your kind words I hope so too. You're right lies suck and do no one any good.

[JunkYardSaint]

Yes I have tested positive for drugs that I did not use. About a year ago I tested positive for benzos and I haven't taken them, and once I tested positive for cocaine when I hadn't done cocaine in over a year!!!
So dirty UA's aren't always the final word, it's really a shame most klinics accept them as such. I just honestly told my case worker that I hadn't used the drug it said I used and luckily he believed me, but I've been to plenty of klinics that would have just said 'oh well....too bad...' and I also agree, lies suck and not only that lies fucking hurt.

[mmnyc9]

This morning I spoke with one of the Directors. I called him last weak telling him what was going on. so today I walked up to him introduced myself shake his greasy hand and I ask him if I can make a appointment to see him. he tells me he can't do anything. I know by now not to get excited or upset that's why I am setting up a appointment. My blood started to boil I really want to fight this, I can't get pickups with that on my record. Any ideas except for calling OASIS, NAMA sucks they don't give a shit about anyone. I wouldn't mind using if I am going to be accused of it. These fucking programs don't care, if it weren't for Medicaid they would be licking my ass, I am not on Medicaid, on the same token if it weren't for Medicaid they wouldn't exist. Such a waste of energy and time, my time. ADVICE please

[Coddfish]

Director is another word for "check casher." They couldn't care less about people on 'done. Unfortunately, there are no suggestions I can think of. You could always put in the ol' grievance form, at least the clinics I've been to had those. They usually go to the medical director, so you can imagine what tangible good that will do. BUT, it helped my psychology too tell them how F'N RIDICULOUSLY AWFUL YOUR PROGRAM IS. and THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM YOUR "MEDICAL TRAINING" AND "SERVICES" ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE F'ING THE SYSTEM!! and NO ONE SEEKING HELP SHOULD BE TREATED THE WAY YOU F'ERS HAVE TREATED ME!! Of course, I was getting off the program, so I didn't care what they did to me. I am sorry to hear all this. I hope people here thinking about getting on methadone consider your situation before doing so. I've never felt so helpless as when on methadone, because of situations similar to yours.

[THEPAINTER1960]

Yes me and my wife are currantly inrolled in the methadone program here in N.Y. and about a year and a half ago we started taking these over the counter sleeping aids. And lo and behold we were both suppose to drop urines during the week. Well the following week we both got called into the counselers office to tell us that we came up dirty for opiates. Well we knew we did,nt use any kind of an opiate. At all the last month or so. well the same thing happened the following week. We were mystified. Finally we stopped taking the over the counter sleep aid. And to this day we still have,nt any dirty urines . I could not believe it how an over the counter sleep aid could do this but the most important thing i left out is that it was something she picked up at a dollar store. It was not any brand name.Do not trust any cheap generic over the counter anything. You never know.

[mmnyc9]

What I have found is pretty much what I thought. There are a few Organizations who claim to advocate for people on Meth. One of them is NAMA, which I knew about. They don't answer phone calls or emails, there website is begging for money, they receive grant $$$ from Government and State, they have some great people that Advocate for them. I think it depends on the State your in. Overall they Suck big time. Watchdog has a complaint form, you can look up every Clinic in each State. In NYC there's a long list right next to it you can read what people have said about the Clinic. I think new York State has over 150 clinics, around 10 had 1 or 2 posts. Meth patients do not Advocate for themselves, I always knew that. There are a few other Organizations, some mean very well. The thing I have a problem with is when people who are in the know say, people on Meth are just like people on Insulin you wouldn't deprive a Diabetic of good treatment. Yeah right I have yet to see that in a practical sense. What I will do is go after them on the level that I know I will get a serious response, through JACHO and SAMSHA at least they will question the way the Tox tests are done and the Lab they use (Bendinner Labs) a fucking Medicaid Mill check out there web site they are advertising for Methadone Clinics. I will remain Humble, the Clinic is close so I'm lucky in that way, still I'm pissed. The first response from someone who knows nothing about this is "why don't you get off of it" that's a good question that I have been started to ask myself lately.