H Purification Question

[JimmyJoe]

I have read about a method of purification involving hydrochloric acid, baking soda, and ether. I've seen it posted a few places and it's mentioned in Francis Moraes' books, but in those sources I got the impression they were talking about H in powder form. Does anyone know whether that method works for tar or does it just apply to the powdered form of H? Somebody had asked me about it and I didn't want to spread bad info.

[bogumil]

I was theoretically interested in this too. SWIM told me the following: "It worls for H in any form. The moment you give the H to acidic water, it dissolves in there, leaving many cuts behind. The only problem with tar is, to make it release the H because the surface is very small compared to powder. You should try to get it into as mayn smal pieces as possible, maybe even drying it (I never had tar, so I dont know if this is possible). If you have small chunks you must let them soak in the acidic for a rather long time, like 24 hours minimum. If possible, apply steady heat of 30C, raising it towards the end to 50 max and maybe a very short boil or 85 C. For each ml of water you can add 1 drop of 25% HCL without problems. MAybe 1 drop on evey 2 ml."

[JimmyJoe]

Thanks for the info. It's one of those kind of things -- to purify or not. The ever-so-curious person that asked me the question is not much of a chemist but getting a glob of black goop that smells like vinegar and then thinking about ingesting it sometimes makes you wonder just what all is in there. I suppose most of the time the cuts are harmless, especially for smokers but it still seems safest to purify first if possible. The smelly black goop is all that's readily available here in the west so that's what my-- we'll call him good friend-- likes to question me about since he knows I like to research this stuff online.

[soadwes]

I was interested in purifying my H also, but afraid I will screw something up. I'd hate to lose precious, oh so precious H. Is there a minimum amount you would want to use to make it worth the process (i get tar also)? Can someone post a link or describe the process please!

[bogumil]

Its really easy, no skills needed. Just mix it with water and acid. While it is acidic you shake it and the dirt gets into the NP. Then you get rid of the NP layer and neutralize the aqueous. you dont have to titrate (to make the pH9 and shake and shake the NP with water again), thats too much. Only dissolving it in acidic, then shaking 3 times with 1/3 by volume of any NP you can get, then discarding the NP and then add some Baking soda to the water. You will see when you added enough. It will get milky. This is the moment you have to stop. You can then add some acid again to make it clear again, but if its a little milky it is no problem.

You can, if you want to see how much junk you got out of it, you can for this put the NP on something flat and evaporate it after you used it. SWIM got a nice pile of some bitter tasting substance, greyish colour. Guess it was Paracetamol or something or lidocaine ...

And cleaning is harm reduction. Especially with tar. They can mix in so much shit. I mean they could literally shit in it. lol I already find the powder gross cause 70 percent of it are junk and I dont know what, but tar has a much bigger volume and consistency. Dry junk i like still better than moist junk...

Have you checked http://adh.2.forumer.com? In "opioids" someone made a pictorial about the H-cleaning. Check it out. I maybe will copy this and post it here. Ill have to ask the poster first, he isnt a member of the board.

[Coddfish]

That's 'non polar' for those people who might not know. Bogumil, what would you recommend using for an NP? Is there good places to get these chemicals? I used to study/work in chem labs, but I never thought to get suppliers for personal use.

[bogumil]

Over here its pretty easy to get NPs. You just need a legal purpose, like extracting plant-oils.

Ether, toluene, chloroform should work fine. Toluene might be the easiest. But this should only be used if one doesnt pull the stuff into the NP. If you want to bring the h into the NP, then ether and chloroform are best, and chloroform the very best. At least thats what I got told ...

[Gabriel]

If you're about to use Ether, be very very careful, one little spark and you can blow your whole house down. I believe chloroform is better.