Bupe "fix" article in Baltimore Sun

[Suboxstitute]

Link to Article with videos:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.bupe16dec16,0,4702464.story?page=1 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.bupe16dec16,0,4702464.story?page=1)

There is an interesting story in the Baltimore paper today - pretty one-sided if you ask me (I think diverted sub is WAY better than someone going thru nasty w/ds). And how the HELL is the average person supposed to afford it? I'm fortunate; I have decent insurance. And I know I'm damn fortunate for it.

Sensationalism sells newspapers. Hope the attitude this article takes doesn't spread and end up with bupe users having to dose in a supervised setting. I mean, the idea (among other things) was to offer an alternative to methadone clinics and to perhaps reach more people.....

I love when they say "and the taxpayers are paying for this". Like WE don't pay taxes? Makes the assumption that addicts are all low-lifes, as usual.

Anyway, thought I'd share for those interested.

[mikells43]

yea im watching that right now. its pretty sad some of the shit they said. when it comes down to it they are ignorant and dont understand the disease.

[Suboxstitute]

I posted a comment to it. Probably won't matter. Wonder what the rest of the series (did I see there are two more articles) will look like.

[Duckfeet]

That was a good article on buprenorphene: lengthy, but covered lots of areas...and interesting that they are now thinking of increasing the amount of naloloxone, or even adding naltrexone, which a lot of people think incorrectly, is the same substance...

But I actually thought it was fairly decent take on what is really going on...but now it seems it will just just be another way for the DEA to crackdown, and since they have failed on all the serious fronts, now think they have a battle they can "win."

Hard to believe that there once was a time docs were left alone to perscribe as they saw fit...and the gov't intervenend, and since '99 the DEA cracked down on docs, and this will give DEA more of this ability...and boy, it sure has helped wint the "War on Drugs," now, hasn't it, Mr. DEA??? What a crock or horse-shit: allow docs to prescribe heroin to addicts and problem ends...

Link to Article with videos:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.bupe16dec16,0,4702464.story?page=1 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.bupe16dec16,0,4702464.story?page=1)

There is an interesting story in the Baltimore paper today - pretty one-sided if you ask me (I think diverted sub is WAY better than someone going thru nasty w/ds). And how the HELL is the average person supposed to afford it? I'm fortunate; I have decent insurance. And I know I'm damn fortunate for it.

Sensationalism sells newspapers. Hope the attitude this article takes doesn't spread and end up with bupe users having to dose in a supervised setting. I mean, the idea (among other things) was to offer an alternative to methadone clinics and to perhaps reach more people.....

I love when they say "and the taxpayers are paying for this". Like WE don't pay taxes? Makes the assumption that addicts are all low-lifes, as usual.

Anyway, thought I'd share for those interested.

[collegekid]

Promoted by the U.S. as a treatment for opiate addiction, buprenorphine has become one more item for sale in the illegal drug market

Oh really? You don't fucking say? :rolleyes:

Any psychoactive drug that is prescribed legally will finds its way to the streets eventually... What a great argument!

Federal officials didn't anticipate such abuses when they joined forces with Reckitt Benckiser Pharmaceuticals

Well then Federal officials must be idiots... you make a drug that is abusable in one way or another, and it will be abused.

Yet Suboxone is starting to cause some of the very problems it was created to solve. Illegal sales and abuse remain far below other abused narcotics but are on the rise

You cannot introduce addicts to a drug and expect people not to divert the substance. The fact that illicit sales of buprenorphine are "far below other abused narcotics" should be a relief.

Suboxone's failure to deliver on one of its major selling points - that addicts wouldn't inject it - is raising concern among doctors who prescribe the drug.

I found this pretty funny... that was the major selling point huh? Did anyone ever bother to see if Suboxone actually worked as it was supposed to when used intravenously or intranasally? Apparently not, since Dr.s continue to preach that the naloxone is active via these routes of administration when clearly it is not.

Suboxone does not block desire for cocaine, and so it cannot be used to treat the thousands of addicts who use that drug primarily.


Huh? What does this even have to do with the article?

Bessette died from "acute intoxication - combined effects of ethanol, Cyclobenzaprine (Flexeril) and Buprenorphine," the death certificate reads. The family wants answers from police about how their son got the pill...

Where do you think he got it from? :confused: Who could possibly be this naive or stupid?



The rest of the article repeats itself for 3 pages. "Illegal buprenorphine sales are not comparable to drugs such as heroin or cocaine." "But the drug is still being sold illegally, therefore it is dangerous and bad."

Until....

Tests done by the agency also showed that naloxone could be "degraded" and thus rendered inert, so addicts could inject the pill without suffering ill effects. The FDA found that naloxone could be filtered out by "fairly simple" methods used by "street chemists" and wouldn't prevent snorting, agency records stated.

There is a fairly simply way to filter out the naloxone? Perhaps Ive been hiding under a rock, but I thought the chemical process to do so would be very complicated? Can anyone shed some light?

[mikells43]

the only way u can get sick form shooting it is to not have any bupe in u before hand. and slame the pill then ullg et sick but it dont last long cause bupe outbinds the naloxone.

and i dont think they will add to the naloxone cause of bupes binding affinity, 30mg wolnt even rip it off the receptors lol. also check out the vid form the rickett benkster ceo, he says that we wouldnt pull a cancer drug that can cure 9 out of 10 cancer pts so why do this with bupe. diversion is to be expected, the key is education. which is true.

[drugsaregood]

I'm reading the article now...

True story:

A friend gave his friend acouple subs so they can try n clean up their act a bit...Said friend got pulled over driving a stolen vehicle (stupid fucking people..)..The cops searched, found the subs, and this is the odd\amusing part, the cops were convinced it was rolls! WTF? Appearantly they tested them all with their field kits, turned up negative for everything, and friend didn't get charged for it?!??!?!

[Duckfeet]

Yeah: somewhere buried in the middle of this article they did seem to make a pretty good case for people who are using it the way u are, trying to get their lives back together ... but of course, that doesn't sell newspapers, so--just like with methadone--if bupes in yer system, that's the drug that's blamed for your troubles...

the only way u can get sick form shooting it is to not have any bupe in u before hand. and slame the pill then ullg et sick but it dont last long cause bupe outbinds the naloxone.

and i dont think they will add to the naloxone cause of bupes binding affinity, 30mg wolnt even rip it off the receptors lol. also check out the vid form the rickett benkster ceo, he says that we wouldnt pull a cancer drug that can cure 9 out of 10 cancer pts so why do this with bupe. diversion is to be expected, the key is education. which is true.

[oldscratch]

i chose to watch the "lot" of clips and thought the " Irvin" piece out-wieghed the "Dragnet" piece incredibly...it's worth a look...and fuck!!! diversion is the part of the nature of the "narcotics trade"...it's factored into the cost of doing buisiness...many first-time bupe users come across it illegally but seek legal sources once they find out they drug works!!!...i'm all about choices and harm reduction!!!... GOOD LINKS...thanks "oldscratch" ( though the cop vibe shit still gives me the "willies"...)

[drugsaregood]

This article is such b\s...They're focusing on a treatment for addicts and slamming it...What about the doctors who make addicts? The failure of the government's war on drugs? Sigh

Interesting:

Reckitt Benckiser, the manufacturer, tracks abuse as a condition of Suboxone's approval by the Food and Drug Administration. That effort is directed by a consultant, Dr. Charles R. Schuster, a former director of the National Institute of Drug Abuse who said he played a role in the drug's development. His company conducts periodic surveys of patients entering treatment, and of doctors, to spot trends. It also monitors news reports and Internet chat sites, particularly for signs that Suboxone is creating new drug users.

[collegekid]

Just one-sided fear-mongering.

Exactly.

The entire article goes on about how illicit bupe sales is NOT a problem, but how it COULD be. Give me a fucking break.

[mollywopped]

I like how they keep mentioning the people who have died because of suboxone. Oh wait, they also drank a bunch of booze and took muscle relaxers. Oh, now I see. why aren't they doing an article on alcohol and how it kills people. It would say, he died from an OD of alcohol, but he also had taken subs and flexeril. Instead it says, he died from subs, although me may have been drinking and taking muscle relaxers.

The best line was the lady whose kid died and she said that they had questions for the police about how their son got ahold of this drug. What?? Your son got drunk, illegally bought and consumed prescription meds from somebody else and you are questioning other people? Geez. Get a life.

Well, I guess it is just one more way to thin the herd.

[mikells43]

yea the whole article is fucking bullshit , wait did i say that, its fucking bullshit, there i said it again lol. yea id like to find someone who has died from just subs.

[Duckfeet]

Now, just cuz u said that, u *know* i'm going to go read that article....never mind, I already did, posted above...i thought it was "fair" as any of'em are, but had it's spots...but like u say, they go for the most exciting drug, when they describe the o.d., not the more boring drugs...


yea the whole article is fucking bullshit , wait did i say that, its fucking bullshit, there i said it again lol. yea id like to find someone who has died from just subs.

[mikells43]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bupe/bal-bupe-htmlpage,0,14097.htmlpage

they finished out the article series, the 2nd article is about the bupe situation in france of all places, why dindt they write about fucking singapore and sya its going to get like that here lol. i donno this is an unfair article on such a good drug.

[mikells43]

lol totally. thats true. but hey people are going to be one sided until the day the earth blows up. thats just how people are, they dont see the other side, and if they do see it they dont care about it. to the normal people we are just hopeless drug feinds. but someday some of us will show them if we have the desire to. theres going to be tons of stuff out there that comes up with this med and some good some bad, i guess its what u take of the deal u kno.