Preparing medics for injection

[bogumil]

I was wondering the following:

Some pills are made in a way that they cannot be injected. Still the drug has to be release so that it is effective, of course.

I was wondering if one cannot simulate the digestion to get rid of the junk? This is my plan:


Crush pill to a fine powder
Add it to a small amount of water
Add some drops of hydrochloric acid or ascorbic to the water
Let it stand for 20 hours
Decant the clear liquid and discard what is on the bottom
Filter the liquid and dry itWouldnt this seperat the goodies from the junk? The Morphine or oxycodone would go into the water and bind to the acid, just like they should do in the stomach, when digested. The Binders should sink to the bottom and would be gone after the decanting and filtration.

What do you think? Its very easy so I wonder if it works? Its nothing but faking digestion. I mean, the same happens in the stomach after you took a pill with binders, or? You dont get the whole binders into the blood stream but only the drug, right? So the binders are seperated from the goodies when the drug is in the stomach, the binders stay behind and leave on the rear.

Shouldnt the above do the same? Its almost a CWE, only that you give the drug more time to react, the water and acid can seperate it from the binders. Comments please. And maybe, if someone tries it, he can report.

[Peripat]

That would sure take more patience than I have! (Even assuming it'd work)

[Zoop]

If you are trying to emulate the digestion process of those "injection-proof" pills, then probably you should use more than "a small amount" of water. What do you mean by a small amount? I would use at least 2 and a half cc (ml) for such a preparation. Definitely not just 1ml like with a tiny insulin syringe that, of course would be suitable for H, but not this...

And, if you are going to put HCl in it, and then slam it, be careful! More than like a tiny tiny amount (I mean like a couple microliters worth) of acid in that small amount of water would make the pH very very low and you don't want that going right into your bloodstream. You wouldn't want to inject your stomach's pH right into the bloodstream would you? The stomach contents get neutralized in the small intestine before stuff makes its way into the circulation from the intestines. The pancreas actually secretes carbonate ions into the duodenum via the pancreatic duct, specifically for this purpose (neutralizing stomach contents as they pass into the small intestine).

I mean, you can add 1 drop of conc. HCl to like a liter of water, and it will make the pH go from neutral to 2. Just one drop will do that.

I would try cooking it real good with about 2ml to 2 and 1/2ml of water, then letting it sit for like 24 hours to see if it separates into two layers. The goodies would tend to concentrate in the water, not the gel, b/c it likes to be more spread out in the water instead of concentrated in the gel. Just make sure that the water layer is more volume than the gel is. Entropy is your friend in this case.

If you add HCl to it, then perhaps you should put a small little tiny pinch of baking soda in it before you go slamming away.

[bogumil]

That would sure take more patience than I have! (Even assuming it'd work)

I think its not that much work. I mean, one doesnt need to do it the moment one wants to slam. One jsut puts the 3 components together and lets it stand. Then filtering, finish. Also (assuming that ir would work) one can prepar larger amounts. Basically its only putting three things together and wait and to then run this through a coffee filter (before iving it should be filtered through a syringe filter of course, just as H should, too). But dude, I dont even know if it works. LOL

Zoop: Yes, youre right. One should be careful. I was thinking that, if it works, that one prepares it this way (heating it for a long time in HCL-water) and then dries it. Then one can weigh it and see, if it maybe is close to what amount of morphine there should be.

Then one only would have to add the powder to some water and neutralize it with a carbonate. That would yield only the morphine, water and table salt. No problem to inject. Maybe one shouldt neutralize completely but go to pH 5 - 6, or?

to your question: I added 5 ml of water to 1.9 gram (containing 100mg morphine). Added4 drops HCl to this. So it is definately not a liquid that one should IV. LOL. But I plan on drying this and then weigh it and burn it on a piece of foil to check its behaviour. Then I want to add it to water and make it a healthy pH, like 5 - 6 with carbonate.

And, yes, I too dont think it would be in the gel. I mean, if it was in the gel, that would suck. LOL.

The above was copied from a pm that SWIM sent me, thats why "I" stands there instead of "SWIM".

[Zoop]

Ah, yes, makes sense to dry it. and, I agree, wouldn't need to completely neutralise it, just so it's not really acidic.

How'd it turn out? I mean, for your friend?

[bogumil]

SWIM was busy and left the dried stuff standing on the table. But he will go on and report.

But he found something: When he dissolved the retards tuff in water, it had no bitter taste at all in the beginning. He drank half of it and the rest he forgot. 1 hour later he remembered it and drank the other half. It was awfully bitter. So the slow release defineately releases the morphine into the water with the time. The only question now is, if SWIM can yield that alone or if there is no chance to seperate the other junk from the morphine in the water. MAybe the a/b wash thing again ... MAybe simple filtering with millipore ... maybe the junk will settle down after a while ...

BTW, Im curious on the matrixes they create to keep people from iving pills. Are they "working with enzymes"? I bet they dont. I bet they can only create pills that are difficult to dissolve and inject on the spot. After a while Im sure, the pills all will give off the morphine into water and leave you with a mix of the seperated compounds which you then "only" have to seperate.

If they use enzyme sensitive matrixes, well, be it. Ill just puke on the pills and let it stand for a day! LOL

SWIM talks a shit, man ...

[sick_girl_64]

Anyone have any luck prepping generic dilaudid or time release dilaudid for injection? I have specific ways of doing both but am wondering if there are better ways that I am unaware of...thanks...

[Mokelly]

how the heck do you get dilaudid?

[exitwound]

how the heck do you get dilaudid?

Either by prescription if you have severe/chronic pain.....or from someone who does (directly, or via a dealer)......

[bogumil]

I have two questions:


1. Does anyone know if MST Continus can be i.v.ed? They are capsules, containig many little perls and are long.time-release. Here are the Data:


Active ingredient: morphinesulphate-pentahydrate
Color pigments E132 (dont know which color this is)
other helping ingredientsI heard that they can be i.v.ed. Still, just because its interesting, doesn anyone have experienc with this?

2. When you prepare an injection and you clean your vessel with a piece of kitchen paper, this leaves many little pieces, like hair, (voc) on the vessel. SWIM did this. He cleaned a vessel from glass perfectly with water and alcohol. Then he wiped it dry with kitchen paper. He filled it with water and sucked this into a syringe. When he held the syringe against light he saw many little, well "hair" floating around. Are those a problem? They must be from the paper because SWIM filtered the liquid through a millipore filter.

[exitwound]

I'd have to say it sounds unlikely to me, Bog, but then I don't have any first-hand IV exp. so I'm basing this merely on my chemistry knowledge....

[bogumil]

Hey exitwound,

thanks for the reply. Youre right, sounds logical, that it dont work. SWIM was just curious. He wouldnt risk to iv something, that might do harm, relatively easy...

[johnny27]

I have two questions:


1. Does anyone know if MST Continus can be i.v.ed? They are capsules, containig many little perls and are long.time-release. Here are the Data:


Active ingredient: morphinesulphate-pentahydrate
Color pigments E132 (dont know which color this is)
other helping ingredientsI heard that they can be i.v.ed. Still, just because its interesting, doesn anyone have experienc with this?

2. When you prepare an injection and you clean your vessel with a piece of kitchen paper, this leaves many little pieces, like hair, (voc) on the vessel. SWIM did this. He cleaned a vessel from glass perfectly with water and alcohol. Then he wiped it dry with kitchen paper. He filled it with water and sucked this into a syringe. When he held the syringe against light he saw many little, well "hair" floating around. Are those a problem? They must be from the paper because SWIM filtered the liquid through a millipore filter.

Not 100% sure about this but could this little hair(s) cause an effect something simlar to cotton fever? I've heard this but i don't know if its correct that the silver of cotton or in your case hair can get caught up in a blood vessel in lungs or heart or some shit and cause this pain, on the other hand i've also heard that cotton fever is just caused by reusing old cottons and picking up bacteria.
Anyhow think about the hair and the whole cotton fever thing

[bogumil]

Yes, thats what I wondered about: The hair is rather big, definately bigger than a small blood vessel. But then, if it is dust, isnt it present in almost every shot? No i.v. user, who cooks his shot on an open spoon, can do something against a piece of dust falling in the spoon and the cottonfilter wont get everything out. And no matter what SWIM did, with the micron, he couldnt get the liquid completely clear. On the first look its cleaner than tap water. On the second you see 2 to5 of this hairs floating around in a 2 ml shot.

[superman]

1. Does anyone know if MST Continus can be i.v.ed? They are capsules, containig many little perls and are long.time-release.

yes they can. the trick is to use a good mortar and pestle to grind those hard fucking balls into a nice powder. then cook it like you would any other pill. if you don't grind it well, you will have significant product left in the residue

2. When you prepare an injection and you clean your vessel with a piece of kitchen paper, this leaves many little pieces, like hair, (voc) on the vessel. SWIM did this. He cleaned a vessel from glass perfectly with water and alcohol. Then he wiped it dry with kitchen paper. He filled it with water and sucked this into a syringe. When he held the syringe against light he saw many little, well "hair" floating around. Are those a problem?

i know these hairs you speak of. i see them in the syringe if a time release pill is cooked, but not allowed to cool completely before drawing into the fit. after drawing the warm solution, it cools, and then this filler/whatever it is will precipitate. if the solution has been cooled to room temperature before drawing then this will minimize the amount of garbage that goes into your veins. I always just blow over the spoon to cool the hit right down.

[blahblahblah]

If your going to make a habit of injecting pills take the time and money to purchase micron filters/filter wheel.

.8 size filters will help to remove any particles that are in the solution even if you cant see them there still there. The particle will build up in your body over time and can lead to some horrible health problems. Even with 'safe' pills for injection life Dilaudid, its better to be save than sorry. Habitual pill injectors definetly invest in these. The .2 size filter is small enough to filter out bacteria and nasty pathogens. A normal cotton ball filer provides an estimated 16 microns of filtration, massive difference.

Shoot Safe