Canadian MS-Contin

[norseman]

Ok I have a couple questions, so please bare with me here.

First off I only have access to the 60mg ratio-Mophine SR and the 60mg pms-Morphine Sulfate SR. I am pretty sure both of these are just clones of the normal MS-Contins???

So because I foolishly now have too high a tolerance (7 * 60mg) I have been looking for ways to make them more effective then just crushing and parachuting. I have tried the ike method where I crush, mix and let sit in water and then i have drank and/or plugged the solution. I did notice a mild increase when plugging but no difference when i drank it, well other then the nasty taste!!!! LOL Plus I was expecting way more effect when plugged due to the bio-availability? Mabey my tolerance is soo high, I just can't get high anymore? or I am doing the extraction incorrectly?

So basically I was wondering if these Canadian MS-Contins are soooo different that you can't use the ike method, and if so does anyone have any experience with these pills and might know a better way?

Thanks for the help,

Norse


Oh!! Just in case it helps for an extraction method, here is the list of non-medicinal ingredients in the pills.. I figure the hydroxypropyl methylcellulose and the carnauba wax is what they use to make them sustained release?

Nonmedicinal ingredients: carnauba wax, FD&C Yellow No. 6 Sunset Yellow FCF Lake, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, lactose, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, polysorbate 80, purified water, stearic acid, and titanium dioxide.

[GoddessofRATs]

I used to love Morphine but now it really doesn't do much for me which is why i prefer Oxy. Sounds like your toleance has gone through the roof and sadly the only way you could probably get high is to main line it. Now I'm not saying to do that, please don't.

Maybe see if you could switch to Oxycontin or something with Oxy in it. If they have it up there.

GOR

[norseman]

ahhhh Goddess I was hoping that no one would say that!!!!

I have been reading allot on this board and from what I understand when you take it orally you only end up getting 30% of the dose, so I was hoping my tolerance really isn't that high due to the bio-availability of the pills. So thats why I was thinking I am not doing the extract correctly, so that when I plug it, it will then work better for me.

I am not totally against I.V. but if I have trouble enough getting the ike extraction right, so then I am sure to fail at getting all the fillers and all out for safe I.V. use.

Anyways I do think its time for me to taper and get my tolerance down. I just hope that I can do it.

Thanks for the Oxy suggestion though

[deathboy]

Perhaps crushing it and going the sublingual route is a good option.

DB

[irish]

The Ratio's are the footballs right? If so, crush it and cook it, The binders and stuff separate and cook like egg-white. Push it to the side and draw up the fluid, eat the egg-stuff.

[Nate]

The Ratio's are the footballs right? If so, crush it and cook it, The binders and stuff separate and cook like egg-white. Push it to the side and draw up the fluid, eat the egg-stuff.

Exactly what I was going to say.

[SpecialGuy69]

there are other versions of sustained release morphine sulfate besides MS Contin. The 100's are shaped kinda like vikes, are light blue all the way thru, and turn into goo in water. The plus is they are dirty cheap (in US) but hard to find. My ex girl got these when money was tight- the best plan with those is to get some chems and do a full A/B extraction and crystallize.

You can do it with hardware store chems and even convert your morphine sulfate into morphine hcl. Some people say morph hcl is better.

[norseman]

Deathboy, Sublingual means under the skin right? Wouldn't there be quite a risk of abscessing with these pills or is their a proven method?

Hey Irish, nice to see another IRISH Canadian here as well! :-) and yes the ratios are the footballs, the pms ones are round and seem more waxy when crushed. I can't find a list of ingredients in the pms ones. But I do think the footballs seem better anyways. So when you say cook, do you mean in water or the crisping method? also would I just have to cook one 60mg up and then plug, because if i have to do multiple pills I will have to find something bigger then a spoon to cook them? Also should I be taking the time to get the outside coating off or just crush them with it on? I have read different opinions on whether the coating matters or not.

tm420tm speaking of goo... the football ones I get seem to get gooey when I add water, but the pms ones seem to be more waxed based like the powder sticks together when I add to water, no matter how well I crush them up.

I have another question that you might know the answer too. Instead of using water, would it be better to simulate stomach acid somehow and then let the solution sit for 12 hours and then I should have IR yes/no? Or would that somehow destroy the morphine. And if not what would be the best way to simulate the stomach. I was just thinking lemon juice and water mix might work???

Thanks again for the help

[irish]

Use a metal measuring spoon or the bottom of a pop can if you are doing several. By cook I mean in water, just like you were going to shoot them. As you cook it it will separate, eat the binders and plug the liquid. You shouldn't need to change the ph since you are already destroying the time release by cooking it. You can leave the coating on the pills when you crush them if you want since you are plugging them.

[norseman]

Use a metal measuring spoon or the bottom of a pop can if you are doing several. By cook I mean in water, just like you were going to shoot them. As you cook it it will separate, eat the binders and plug the liquid. You shouldn't need to change the ph since you are already destroying the time release by cooking it. You can leave the coating on the pills when you crush them if you want since you are plugging them.

Thanks Irish, sounds like a plan :-)

[irish]

No problem, anytime. Where are you in canada?

[norseman]

Ontario, T.O. area

[irish]

Cool, I'm in London.

[Nate]

I'm from Kitchener, Ontario, glad to see more Canadian opiophiles around.

[MPVT]

I'm near Kingston and my ms contin 100mgs are round and grey.They are very popular here for the I.V. user's.By the way sublingual means under the tongue.......Dave

[norseman]

Irish!! Well I just tried your method and it worked like you said. I ended up with "egg white" and was able to separate it. I did up 4 of them to be safe and I think it worked better then normal. Nothing like the good old days, but still it should help me conserve a little. So thanks for the help. But I still do think its time to taper. So I will probably be looking for some advice with that, in the near future :-)

MPVT Damn I wish I was getting those grey ones. And yes I realized after that he meant under the tongue. I wonder if that would be better then plugging it?

Big Up!! the Canadian crew. Or should I say Ontario crew!!

[irish]

I'm really glad that it worked. Those pills are so much better than the gel ones. Lets hear it for the spirit of Canadian brotherhood and co-operation!

[norseman]

LOL hear hear, now I am going to hop on my dog sled and get in my igloo, and chow down on bannock and seal meat, before I freeze. LOL

On a serious note we are actually expecting a big snowstorm on its way here to southern Ontario just in case you didn't know. So get you prescriptions filled just in case the roads are bad. hehehe

But nothing is better then a white Christmas right :-)

[irish]

It's been snowing like crazy all day here. My scripts are current and I'm not going outside unless I absolutely have to.