Need help

[Va_va]

Right finally my pcs runnin a bit faster, im bawling my eyes out over the stupidest thing cos o these valys. For me when im on valium when im happy im extatic but when im sad im sooooooo fukn depresd, il cry if i knock a cup over or if i cant find my telly remote.
The reason im takin the valys (10mg blue roche's) is because i cant get a hit, all my veins have gone. Last nite my misses said shed try my groin for me so i got my pants down (and shaved my pubes off lol it feels nicer than ud think) anyway i felt it going in an i said 'is it in?' an she said yeah she got blood back into the syringe. She started injecting and got to 10cc then when she reached 20cc i fell to the floor in agony. I either hit an artery or a nerve. She wouldnt stop saying sorry and made it up to me (by getting down with me lol). But qafter i got up from fallin down i was babling like a baby for like twenty minutes, cos of the valys. When im on valys an then have a hit i fall asleep when ive injected half the hit and my gf wakes me up with it still in me. Its so sad. Anyway my question is - how long will it take for me to get phsically addicted to the blues (im already mentaly addicted and im so sad- im crying right now) Im on 70mg of meth but i have to go down the pharm each day (supervised consumption-except sunday) but methadone is the most boring drug in the world all it does is give you a good gouch after 3-4 hours. You cant beat a hit, and thats all i want just fucking one man. I was planning on stopping next sunday it was gona b my last week of using and then stop and startb taking the valys. But the first day of the last week i cudnt get a vein- i have 8 syringes sitting in my cuboard full of heroin and dried blood.

The drug lines dont help at all the stupid fucks they cudnt tel me how long it wud take for me to get physicaly addicted, AND THATS THERE FECKING JOB!

Please help me or add me to aol if you have it - Vavavoom290@aol.com i could use a friend that doesnt want money or valium or just enough for a small hit or want to thieve off me.

Thanks for listening guys - take care yea, cya

P.S I havent been on for months because ive been on my bed constantly since i started heroin and im weak and i feel ill and i jus dont want to go on, i jus want a hit - u know what i mean ?

Happy days evry1 - Vava

[mkchll]

What are you shooting that's 20cc's??? As far as becoming physically addicted to Valiums I would say anywhere from 10 to 30 days of everyday use. But it's gonna vary from person to person depending on past use and other factors. Obviosly the longer your on them the stronger the addiction and w.d.'s will be.

[Va_va]

Thanks for the reply.

What the hell are you on about? do u know anything about syringes and injecting? I use 1ml syringes(orange caps-the insulin ones) and on them there is a total of 100cc going 10cc-20cc-30cc-40cc-50cc-60cc-70cc-80cc-90cc-100cc. It doesnt say cc after the number on it but thats the measurement.

It was full of powder heroin (the stuff u have to use citric or vit c with unlike the US) and it was up to 60cc, she injected 10cc but when she kept injecting and it reached 20 thats when the pain shot in and i collapsed and started bawling like a baby screaming. It must have been a nerve as ive had kidney stone pain which is proved to be worse pain than childbirth and it nearly compared to that.

Thanks for answering anmore help from anyone else much appreciated.

Happy days - Vava

[exitwound]

Sounds like it's time to wean off the Valium! Maybe use some xanax to help?

That, and start taking some oral opiate doses to help keep you on an even keel without further damaging your veins?

[Va_va]

Ive only bn taking the vals for four or five days. I have to take them cos ive bn left with sum bad anxiety frm my x use/amphets/cannabis use. I cant even smoke a ciggie infront of my misses without my hand shakeing. 10-30 days he said untill ure physicaly addicted im on 6 at the most. So no not time to stop the valeys. And xanax is one of the new higher potency benzos like lorazepam so ure crazy.

Look i was going to have one week untill i go cold turkey with my 70mg of meth 1mg/1ml and the valeys but since the last week started i cant get a vein-it takes about an hour and a heater to warm my arm/hand up.

So yeah i am stopping so why dont u read my posts before answering questions that have alrweady bn answered.

No offence, take care m8 - Cya

P.S my misses is coming over for the night for a gouch an she can get my leg and feet veins althou there feckin painfull. So il be okay . Just forget this post dont reply anymore its finished - Take care guys

[Va_va]

You obviously know nothing about heroin use as ive been an iv user for a year or so now. Smoking heroin is just like throwing it down the drain and expecting to get high.

[exitwound]

You obviously know nothing about heroin use as ive been an iv user for a year or so now. Smoking heroin is just like throwing it down the drain and expecting to get high.

Hey man, I know that quite well although you are right and I lack first-hand experience.....while I have had junkie friends online for decades, I have never had the pleasure myself (although this may soon be changing). That said, I live a responsible family man's life, albeit that of one with severe chronic pain.....so I can't afford to get hooked on the needle or otherwise become a "high at any cost" type. I pass no judgement on those who are, though....it's their choice and I have a lot of people I consider respected friends who live the junkie's life. More power to them, if that's what satisfies their fire inside.

I'm not trying to lecture you man, just offer any help I can think up....I know yer in WD's so I won't be an arse about it but hey, no need to hand my own ass to me while I'm trying to be helpful :p

[SomniGod]

You obviously know nothing about heroin use as ive been an iv user for a year or so now. Smoking heroin is just like throwing it down the drain and expecting to get high.



I don't think many share your opinion.

I know I don't!

~S~

[mkchll]

No an Insulin syringe is 1cc not 100cc's. I think your confusing units with cc's.. Sorry, I was just trying to help and was not questiong weather you've turned pro or not.

[mkchll]

And using an insulin syringe to hit in the groin is just plain stupid. You should be using an 1.5 inch needle.

[exitwound]

I don't think many share your opinion.

I know I don't!

~S~

It seems not only to vary by personality and experience (e.g. whether one went straight to the needle or had a broader range of experience), but also by regional H quality from what I read. Obviously I don't know diddly shit, first-hand. I'm a make-your-own kind of man when possible, and making one's own smack isn't really a practical thing for somebody with my family-man lifestyle. The black market is hardly a better option either, for the most part.

Then there's the blockade of distance, as we've already talked about, in my case :-)

So we'll see how the various methods play out for me if I ever do get my hands on "commercial" type tar/powdered smack. With what I've been able to produce so far in terms of crude ISO putty-oil opiums and such, smoking seems difficult due to the excess mass of volatile organic materials in the medium. It seems smarter to let the digestive system, or at least the anal mucosa, sort it all out....

If and when I get smack, I will gladly compare it to my best home opium-based preparations. Hopefully soon, those will be revolutionized by my ability to produce a decent volume of latex from widespread guerilla grows, and then harvest the whole resulting plant material over the course of the mid to late season.....doing large scale outdoor boil-downs and all sorts of various methods for producing the maximum possible yield of the goodies in the best possible forms....

So we'll see what comes out on top for the common man. Should he go all junkie-survivalist-guerrilafarmer, or just run down to the nearest dope corner in the ghetto?

[Tar_Baby]

Thanks for the reply.

What the hell are you on about? do u know anything about syringes and injecting? I use 1ml syringes(orange caps-the insulin ones) and on them there is a total of 100cc going 10cc-20cc-30cc-40cc-50cc-60cc-70cc-80cc-90cc-100cc. It doesnt say cc after the number on it but thats the measurement.

It was full of powder heroin (the stuff u have to use citric or vit c with unlike the US) and it was up to 60cc, she injected 10cc but when she kept injecting and it reached 20 thats when the pain shot in and i collapsed and started bawling like a baby screaming. It must have been a nerve as ive had kidney stone pain which is proved to be worse pain than childbirth and it nearly compared to that.

Thanks for answering anmore help from anyone else much appreciated.

Happy days - Vava


NO dude...the orange cap ones are ONE cc and the 10'2, 20's etc up the barrel measure units ( 1 unit = 1/10th cc)
Try not being so fucking rude to folks that answer you..Besides that you can google your answer just as easy as posting here then being a dick to folks..

[Tar_Baby]

NO dude...the orange cap ones are ONE cc and the 10'2, 20's etc up the barrel measure units ( 1 unit = 1/10th cc)
Try not being so fucking rude to folks that answer you..Besides that you can google your answer just as easy as posting here then being a dick to folks..

Also, your bold font is fucking annoying and denotes yelling..

[Coddfish]

I think, tar baby, you meant to put "1 unit equals 1/100 cc?" In any case, no one who knows anything about shooting takes a 20 cc shot. VA VA, you came out looking like a moron and an asshole. Keep in mind that if you ask for help, it's best not jump on the helper or no more help will come your way. Not from me anyway.

[poppy]

Va Va these people have been trying to offer you help and for their time and trouble you've just thrown insults at them. Being an IV user of heroin does not make you more of a heroin addict than someone who smokes it. (its not a competition!) If smoking heroin is as useful as throwing your gear down the drain and expecting to get high why do so many people have heroin habits from smoking it? You seem to have decided that smoking heroin doesn't work before really exploring the possibility. I know a few people who have got fed up with the whole injecting thing and switched to smoking their gear, they all said that after a few days your body adjusts to it and yes they do still gauche!!!
Also injecting for a year does not make you an expert on injecting and syringes, in fact as your male (men's veins are usually much bigger and better than women's) and seem to be experiencing such problems after a relatively short length of time suggests that your injection method (or your girlfriend's if she always hits u up) is poor. As u live in the UK, I'd reccomend that u get hold of a booklet called 'DIG' from the clinic which provides you with your script which may prove helpful to you. Someone mentioned the unsuitability of an insulin syringe for using in your groin and I agree. U need to get some 2ml barrels with detachable blue 1-1.5" tips, 1ml insulin syringes aren't long enought to do the job. However I'd be very wary about injecting in your feet or legs in general but especially your groin, believe me it only leads to trouble almost everyone I know who has gone down the groin route has ended up in hospital at one time or another with deep vein thrombosis. I also know of one guy who lost his big toe and half his foot from an infection which started from a hit in his groin.
You may find working out with some weights or waving your arms around madly like a windmill before u have a hit helps bring some veins up (I'm serious don't knock it till u've tried it). The other thing about your post which concerns me is when u say that you pass out in the middle of a hit (when using valium) and your girlfriend has to wake u up. That sounds dangerous and could result in OD, which is obviously not a desirable result for anyone, particularly not your girlfriend who could find herself on a manslaughter charge for hitting you up if you were to accidently go over.
By the way as an IV user of heroin for 7+ years I do know what I'm talking about! Try and be nicer to everyone even if u don't like their advice. Good Luck. Laters Poppyx

[bogumil]

I know lots of former IV users who swithched back to smoking, either because there werent many spots left to hit or because they wanted to lower the risks. Some of them have been using IV for 9+ years and have been on H for 20+ years. I think they should know better than someone who only used 1 year.

As others already said, Im kinda allergic, too when people are agressive without any reason. Dude, I had to laugh first because the way you replied to the help that you got offered, were so completely irrational. And I agree also, that H has to do nothing with competition.

Be a little more relaxed, dude and everybody will be fine with you. Also: Please use smaller fonts, expecially for such a long text. Big letters dont make you bigger ...

[shaunclo]

Va Va, ummmmm, uhhhhhhh, nevermind Im pretty sure you got the point. Im sure we all understand that your frustrated with your current situation, but chill cause most people dont even have a source for methadone, let alone methadone and heroin. Be happy with what you got, cause in most cases it doesnt last forever.

[shaunclo]

As for the Valium answer you were looking for, I would say if you are using around 10-20mg's a day, it would probably take about 7-15 days before you got hooked. If you are using 20mg's or higher a day then maybe about 7 days to get a habit. If you are staying fucked up all day long with the valium, than even 4-5 days straight can lead to a habit.

[Tar_Baby]

I think, tar baby, you meant to put "1 unit equals 1/100 cc?" In any case, no one who knows anything about shooting takes a 20 cc shot. VA VA, you came out looking like a moron and an asshole. Keep in mind that if you ask for help, it's best not jump on the helper or no more help will come your way. Not from me anyway.

Yes thats what I meant , ty

[blahblahblah]

And using an insulin syringe to hit in the groin is just plain stupid
Why is that? The femoral vein is a very large vein that is easy to hit located in the groin area near the hip, using your stand insulin needle isnt a problem to hit that vein, nor do I see why its stupid? I dont have many place left to inject and am often left using that one, the subclavian vein that runs under your armpit and toward your chest, or god forbid the jugular vein. Either that or I am left to deal with the small veins in my fingers with an 5/16 ultrafine short-tip. Or I can try to rip thru all the scar tissue on most of all my other veins.

Good luck trying to draw blood on my if your a nurse and you get me as a patient, last fucker took over 45 mins. before giving up and having to have another nurse try finally she hit and attached a butterfly into my wrist. It was a hellacious experience.