Has A Doctor Rxed You Meds to Help You Kick?

[Thebane]

This post got really long, so I'm posting my question first with my unabridged life story and circumstances below: has a doctor ever prescribed you drugs so that you could use them to ease you kick? And, if one has, were they anything worthwhile, or something like Clonidine? And, how many doctors did you go to before finding one that would help you / what do you think my chances are of the one doc I can see prescribing me something to help me sleep etc.? And should I go about trying to convince her in any specific way, or just lay it out there that I've been using morphine for 6 months straight and am trying to detox. I just don't see how one goes about convincing a doctor that they should hand over benzos or sleep-aids more powerful than Benadryl to an addict who has a 90% chance of failing the kick and then just abusing the meds to get high... And, since the doc I'm going to is a general practitioner should I bring in printed-out info on what drugs work for opiate detox? When she prescribes me anti-Ds she has to look in her huge book of information on every drug to figure out how to do it... And the college I go to has plenty of depressed people and not 1 person who uses opiates that I know of so I doubt she has much experience in this sort of thing.

OK, here's my current situation. I decided it's time to quit pods for a while, hopefully the whole winter, if not my life since I just seem happier overall when I'm sober... Even though my anxiety prevents me from doing everyday things without opiates. I also just got involved with a girl a week or so ago, and things are going well, but she didn't even know what opiates were... She had no idea they were a drug when I drunkenly rambled one night that the reason she noticed my hand shaking like I was about to have a seizure was I was in the beginnings of opiate withdrawal. Anyway, she wants me to quit, for good reason, although she hasn't even said she won't see me anymore if I don't stop, which I find surprising since at this point we don't have much invested in each other. Opiate addiction tears people who have been married for decades apart, I sort of assumed a new girlfriend would just leave immediately if she found out. Then again I didn't lie to her about it, not because I'm a better person than a husband of 20 years but simply because I really don't care if she never talks to me again, if I had a wife it would be a different story. But, what I'm getting at is that I want to quit. I don't want to quit cause she wants me to, but she has offered to try to help me out and at least keep me company when I'm sick so it seems like as good a time as any.

I have enough pods to barely hold of w/ds until Friday afternoon. After which I should have at least 5 days to deal with withdrawals before having an obligations. I suppose opiates don't give anything good without demanding immeasurably more pain in payment. And it's time for me to be recompensed for all the bliss of my first opiate experiences. And before I make anymore attempts at bad metaphors I'll end this post. But if anyone has any advice about convincing a doctor to give me meds to help the kick please post it, I'd really appreciate it.

[roxi*stardust]

Have you thought about Suboxone? If that is not an option, I would stay as far away as possible from the detox story and just tell this doc that you are having anxiety attacks and that you were prescribed ________ for them in the past. Fill that with your choice of benzos. I have found that during w/d not even benzos help me sleep unless I take HUGE amounts of them. What about tapering? Is that an option?

[kevin]

My gp (known him since I was a baby) prescribed me Valium (10mg 3x daily) to manage my OC withdraw before I could get back on suboxone. So yes, generally, doctors are there to help you if you're addicted. However, normally they don't want to just give you meds to help you kick, they want to send you to a program. It all depends on the doc.

[pharmboy]

Get all the Valium you can, you may need up to 50 - 75mg a day.

And ya Dr.s are usually big on programs. Just say NO.

It's real nice of you'r girl to offer to keep you company,
she will certainly get to know the real you if she stays
all the way through your W/D's . Watch Trainspotting
and get all the stuff he did to kick except tripple the Valium.
Have you ever gone through w/d all the way before?
It ain't much fun. Understatement of the year. .:xmas-smil

[edhorfin]

I'm pretty sure docs are legally prohibited from prescribing narcotics to treat addiction/withdrawl. Except suboxone. Really dumb, fucked up law, and I could be wrong here, but I've talked to docs about it. They can prescribe narcotics "off label" for a number of conditions, but addiction/withdrawl isn't one of them.

My father had morphine for emphysema, not associated with any pain, just that morphine makes people with COPD (modern term for emphysema) breathe easier...

So I'd go with the anxiety story to get the benzo's. But suboxone works a hell of a lot better, and you CAN taper off it. I've done it a couple of times...problem is, pods are easy to get and not expensive (thank god), but that makes staying away really really hard for me.

you can do it- not easy, but doable....good luck.

[roxi*stardust]

I'm pretty sure docs are legally prohibited from prescribing narcotics to treat addiction/withdrawl. Except suboxone. Really dumb, fucked up law, and I could be wrong here, but I've talked to docs about it. They can prescribe narcotics "off label" for a number of conditions, but addiction/withdrawl isn't one of them.

My father had morphine for emphysema, not associated with any pain, just that morphine makes people with COPD (modern term for emphysema) breathe easier...

So I'd go with the anxiety story to get the benzo's. But suboxone works a hell of a lot better, and you CAN taper off it. I've done it a couple of times...problem is, pods are easy to get and not expensive (thank god), but that makes staying away really really hard for me.

you can do it- not easy, but doable....good luck.
ed is right, MDs are legally prohibited from Rx'ing narcotics to help you kick with the exception of Suboxone and Methadone. And with Suboxone the MD has to be specially licensed to do that, with Methadone the dipsensing physician must be part of a clinic that does detox. There is one excpetion to the methadone law and that is if you are hospitalized for w/d (impatient). In this case they can give you 'done for 3 days only if you are going to be or are already accepted to a licensed detox place.

[ein0606]

my dr prescribed me 5 100mcl fent patches, then i told them they didnt work then he gave me 8 8mgs dilaudids and 4 roxi 30's a day for 10 days to kick methadone to get back on suboxone. then he realized it just sgarted m,aking me abuse again and i wasnt allowed to see him anymore.

[Thebane]

Thanks for the advice guys. I don't have the money/insurance for subs so they're really not an option. I guess a taper is but I've been telling myself I'd taper to this point, when I really need to be clean, and I haven't been able to do it at all. So I'm not really sure what to do...

[kevin]

I know earlier posters said that docs legally can't prescribe meds to help me kick but my doc definitely did just that about eight days ago, so you might want to at least give it a shot. My doc knew my history of substance abuse (including benzos) and still gave them to me. However, this is my family doc and he's been treating me since I was born. It just depends on the doc I guess, but I'm sure the posters above are correct when they're saying it isn't done, and might be illegal.

[Duckfeet]

Docs fall under different constraints, and know there way around the system...I guess it's worth a shot..but I know me, I'll generally shoot for the "pain" avenue... only once did I ever do really good with a doc, and I still think of him with fondness ... old Doctor Dilaudid ... poor guy, I was his first junky :-)

[eerased]

TheBane,
Don't under estimate clonidine!! It helps! at least it helped me! I was still sick but it made it bearable.. I had a doc once write me clonidine patches, klonopin and 35 10/325 percs with a good luck pat on the back and a hand written taper/wd plan.. I ate the percs in 3 days and used the others to help me threw the worst..

Oh yea and don't forget the Imodium (sp) take double dose.. bananas ... pumpkin seeds.. water... vit. B and L-tyrosine

It'll all help. Don't get me wrong I got threw the physical part with this stuff but no way in hell I could get threw the mental part.. I made it 9 days. Wasn't physically ill at all but I was so depressed I wanted to die.. Hopped right back on the hobby horse haven't looked back sense.

Good luck!!!

[Nate]

A few of my friends had gone to their doctors for help, they all were given help. They each said their doctor was very compassionate and seemed like they really wanted to help. Benzo were no problem.

[syn2600]

just go cold turkey. I kicked a 3 month IV morphine habbit (shooting up to 3 times a day) cold turkey. Just do it.

[mollywopped]

Back in the day when i was using pain killers, my GP found out and booted me, although he suggested another doc, whom I went to. So, I went into this doc with my Dad and told him the story about me abusing pills and Doc A kicking me out. I also told him I wanted to go to detox, but I had finals coming up this week. He said OK, I'll call the detox and set you up for when finals are done. I said cool, but I am going to be too sick to make it through. So he gave me some Vicodin or Darvocet, don't remember which, about 30 I think. It was enough to take a few a day for a few days so I didn't get sick and could make it through finals.

Well, actually, I found out I could get a medical exemption and take my finals later, so I stole the pills from my Dad (the doc said he had to dole them out), took all of them and then went to detox the next day.

[hammer]

I also went threw this about 2 yrs ago. My doctor told me it was illegal for him to do this, but we signed an aggrement. He gave me 290 Norcos and he personally called the pharmasits and told him i had sever pain and was going on a high dose but tapering down program that would take a while. My marriage was on the rocks at the time, so i too got my dad involved. I had him bringing me 12 Norcos a day for a bit, then down to 11, yada yada yada, i got up the will power, dropped to 6 per day 6 days in, and went cold turkey about 5 days later. I was sick, but i found that hot epsom salt baths and Grape Pedialyte with plenty of pepto bismol helped. It still sucked and the mental part was much worse after the 5-6 days i had been totally clean. But here i am 2 yrs later back to where i was at, but just on alot smaller scale of meds. I have to add that i really got hooked on Hydro after i got 240ml bottle of Tussionex x 5 refills and my neighborhood Wally World filled every bottle about every 4-5 days untill they were gone. I still wonder if i could sue them for that, lol. My doctor was also my family doctor and had been for 30 years. I left him for a while but am gonna go back to him, hes a softy and once told me that he "had about a dozen older women in Germany (he used to live there) that took Tussionex everyday just because it made them happy, and he was okay with that, but here it is a bit different". He is gone untill Jan 8th. I already have made my appointment. Whatever you do, good luck bro.

[betmylife]

I also went threw this about 2 yrs ago. My doctor told me it was illegal for him to do this, but we signed an aggrement. He gave me 290 Norcos and he personally called the pharmasits and told him i had sever pain and was going on a high dose but tapering down program that would take a while. My marriage was on the rocks at the time, so i too got my dad involved. I had him bringing me 12 Norcos a day for a bit, then down to 11, yada yada yada, i got up the will power, dropped to 6 per day 6 days in, and went cold turkey about 5 days later. I was sick, but i found that hot epsom salt baths and Grape Pedialyte with plenty of pepto bismol helped. It still sucked and the mental part was much worse after the 5-6 days i had been totally clean. But here i am 2 yrs later back to where i was at, but just on alot smaller scale of meds. I have to add that i really got hooked on Hydro after i got 240ml bottle of Tussionex x 5 refills and my neighborhood Wally World filled every bottle about every 4-5 days untill they were gone. I still wonder if i could sue them for that, lol. My doctor was also my family doctor and had been for 30 years. I left him for a while but am gonna go back to him, hes a softy and once told me that he "had about a dozen older women in Germany (he used to live there) that took Tussionex everyday just because it made them happy, and he was okay with that, but here it is a bit different". He is gone untill Jan 8th. I already have made my appointment. Whatever you do, good luck bro.
bro every thread doesnt have to be about your damn tussionex.....damn.....j/k......he gave you 290 norcos to taper??? and then you just went cold turkey? is norco w/d even that bad?????......crafty...


to the OP.....don't mention you are detoxing....say you are experiencing a lot of anxiety, that is causing insomnia, you make get some benzos for that......also, you cant fake high BP...but if you go in there in w/d your BP may be high, you can say you used to get clonodine for it.....

[mikells43]

any opiate withdrawl is bad, no matter if its hydro, oxy ,, tramadol. ive been in tramadol w/ds that were just as bad as any w/d that i have been in. once u flip that switch its hard to go back. anyhow. i wish u the best the bane in kicking ur pod habit. uve only been hooked for a bit so take it slow, and dont rely on "willpower" cause my willpower fucked my attempts up many times lol go on how u feel that day an that second. it gets worse before it gets better. good luck

[Levity]

Get all the Valium you can, you may need up to 50 - 75mg a day.

And ya Dr.s are usually big on programs. Just say NO.

It's real nice of you'r girl to offer to keep you company,
she will certainly get to know the real you if she stays
all the way through your W/D's . Watch Trainspotting
and get all the stuff he did to kick except tripple the Valium.
Have you ever gone through w/d all the way before?
It ain't much fun. Understatement of the year. .:xmas-smil

Watch Trainspotting. That is the best W/D advice I've ever heard.

[xxanxx]

ed is right, MDs are legally prohibited from Rx'ing narcotics to help you kick with the exception of Suboxone and Methadone. And with Suboxone the MD has to be specially licensed to do that, with Methadone the dipsensing physician must be part of a clinic that does detox. There is one excpetion to the methadone law and that is if you are hospitalized for w/d (impatient). In this case they can give you 'done for 3 days only if you are going to be or are already accepted to a licensed detox place.
I am still looking for the source but the DEA has allowed GP's to prescribe SOME narcotics(Sch. III I think), specifically for addiction. I'll post it when I find it.