Has anyone heard of sudden wd's from sub?

[Coddfish]

I asked this before, but got no answer. I'm beginning to think the the whole "you'll go into severe wd's if you take it wrong" thing is a big hoax. lil help?
coddfish

[shaunclo]

From my own experience, its B.S., you can take your suboxone any way you want. Ive never shot suboxone, but know somwonw who does......yes, someone who does. You just cant shoot a whole 8 mg pill. You need to shoot about .5 to 1 mg at a time. The naloxone in suboxone may cause a slight bit of w/d, but then that will ware off and you will have the buprenorphine only left.

I myself have snorted my subbies and it works fine. Its not all that much stronger, but it does kick in faster this way. There is a way around everything.

[mkchll]

Yes... I snorted 8mg thinking it may feel nice when I was on methadone. Within 20 minutes I was running to the toilet shitting a puking at the same time with the worst chills I've ever experienced. It felt like I rubbed menthol all over my body. Anxiety was at about a 10 I had to call my wife to come home because I really believed I was going to die. It was all over within an hour and a half. It might have lasted longer if I didn't take extra Meth right after it started. Awful experience!!!

[Coddfish]

Thanks guys. mk, you are now the only person I have heard of who has been in sudden suboxone wd's. I and two other people I know can avouch shaunclo's statement about snorting, but in our cases, we used no more than 2 mg. shaunclo, I'm guessing, would say something similar? Although I don't intend to slam subs, it is interesting to know that I could if I wanted. Anyone else?

[mkchll]

The WD's are not from Naloxone when taking the Bup Sublingual or nasal route. It's because Bup Binds to your receptors so strongly it will knock any other opi out of you. Now this does seem to vary from person to person. I'm not sure why but some people claim the have no issues with dosing bup while on another opiates. Maybe someone here can chime in and tell why?? I definetly wouldn't recomend injecting Suboxone if you have any type of habbit though. The Naloxone will definetly enter your system when injected.

[shaunclo]

I agree MK, there is no reason whatsoever to shoot subs.

Im sorry Codd, I thought you were asking about different ways of taking your subs. As for taking your suboxone while having other opiates in your system - ITS A BAD IDEA!!! I have gone into serious w/d before when not waiting long enough after a small binge. For me, I need to be in serious w/d before I can switch back to my subs from other opiates. As for switching from subs to other opiates, I find it quite easy. I can take my sub's (I am currently on 1-1 1/2 mg's a day) one day, then switch to any other opiate the next day and feel it strongly. I have done this with methadone, morphine, fentanyl & oxycontin without a problem. Is this what you were asking??

[Coddfish]

shaunclo, I was really just curious about ANY experience with wd's from suboxone. I was taking 4 mg per day when I did some pt and felt it quite nicely (maybe 5 or 6 hours after my sub dose), but the t didn't last quite as long as normal. At pt+8 hours on the nose I took another dose of sub with NO ill effects. In fact, I also kept a drowsy feeling from the pt for several more hours. Now, granted, I was on a low dose. Still, I would like to get a good thread on what it takes to go into sudden suboxone wd's for any dose. I believe the threat is not so clear cut as the medical rats would have us think;at least that's my take. It still ain't worth the risk of f'n with it. Anyone know what would happen if a non-opiated person(a norm) shot a big sub dose? Can regular people be thrown into wd's?

[mkchll]

Hea Coddfish.. I think the reason you didn't experience any wd's is because you were already on suboxone. Suboxone is a opiate antagonist and the tea (morphine) is a opiate agonist. If you take an opiate antagonist (i.e. Suboxone, Naloxone, Nubain) when your d.o.c. and your dependent on an opiate agonist, the antagonist will knock your receptors clean and send you into wd's. But if your dependancy is a opiate antagonist it will just block the opiate agonist from working or making you high. This is why Methadone has a blocking effect against other opiates because it's a partial agonist/antagonist. This is the way I understand it anyway and I hope it makes sence. Here's a link that kind of explains it. http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2847

[shaunclo]

I gave 2 of my buddies an 8 mg dose of suboxone about a year ago. They both called in sick to work the next day and were throwing up ALL DAY LONG!!! These 2 have never taken an opiate before, so the opiate naive CAN take suboxone, but it will still fuck them up if they take too much.

[bogumil]

Its 30x as strong as morphine, isnt it?

[shaunclo]

So people say, but the physical affects from it is a very mild buzz. If buprenorphine and morphine got into a fight over who is going to fill up your receptors, than bup would win. But as in how each drug makes someone feel (euphoria), morphine would win hands down.

[Coddfish]

I gave 2 of my buddies an 8 mg dose of suboxone about a year ago. They both called in sick to work the next day and were throwing up ALL DAY LONG!!! These 2 have never taken an opiate before, so the opiate naive CAN take suboxone, but it will still fuck them up if they take too much.
The gift that keeps on giving.

[Zoop]

Do you mean that these buddies of yours were puking all day because they were sooooo fucked up, like intoxicated? Or like fucked up in withdrawals. I am guessing they were just really intoxicated, b/c they were opiate-naive.

The first time I did methadone, I was real sick like that for several hours. But I liked it. It was only 30mg too.

I keep thinking of the phrase "toot bupe" "toot bupe" in an E.T.-phone-home-like voice. I can't get it out of my head. It is cracking me up.:p

[opiobsessed]

Sub is definately a very touchy drug, I learned in the worst way never to eat or drink anything after taking my dose. One night I had just dissolved my 8mg and supper was ready. Keep in mind it had been only a minute or so since I finished swallowing the spit. I started eating supper, all went ok until 15 mins after I got done eating. All off a sudden I was about to puke like never before, instant complete wd's the works, I tried taking another 8mg to take it away and it made it so much worse I had to quickly take the pill out of my mouth carefully so as not to waste it. I was in bed all night that night and didn't feel better till next mornings dose. I now see why the doctors say never eat etc at least for a half hour after dosing the sub. Something must activate the naloxone if you do what I did that time.

[shaunclo]

Sub is definately a very touchy drug, I learned in the worst way never to eat or drink anything after taking my dose. One night I had just dissolved my 8mg and supper was ready. Keep in mind it had been only a minute or so since I finished swallowing the spit. I started eating supper, all went ok until 15 mins after I got done eating. All off a sudden I was about to puke like never before, instant complete wd's the works, I tried taking another 8mg to take it away and it made it so much worse I had to quickly take the pill out of my mouth carefully so as not to waste it. I was in bed all night that night and didn't feel better till next mornings dose. I now see why the doctors say never eat etc at least for a half hour after dosing the sub. Something must activate the naloxone if you do what I did that time.

I have never heard of anything like THAT before. I highly doubt that eating too soon after dosing a sub can make you go into w/ds. It must have been something else, or maybe your body is just different, but that does sound weird. Maybe your just thinking about w/d's too much Opio, the mind is a powerful tool, you can think yourself into or out of anything. My buddy use to think himslef out of w/d's and it worked for him. Some people just know how to do shit like this. If you could meditate all thru your w/d's, Ive heard they are very manageable. You need to be a VERY VERY open minded person to do something like this though. Most of us are so brainwashed with bullshit that its hard to breakthrough with an open mind.

Yes Zoop, they were fucked up, they were not w/d'ing. You only go into w/d's if another opiate is in your syetm that the bup needs to fight with. The naloxone has nothing to do with going into w/d's unless your banging them. That is the only reason the naloxone is in there, to keep people from shooting it.