W/D's are killing me

[antigonemuse]

a little advice from all you experienced in these matters...

[welder]

The best advice I can give you is relax (I know, easier said than done). Having someone to talk with can help a lot. If you have any benzos on hand, they are very helpful also. While I was withdrawaling from a very long period of morphine use, I found marijuana would help the nausea a bit and calm my nerves.

Withdrawal sucks. I'm very sorry you're going through it.

Just take it easy and stay tough, buddy. I hope you start to feel better soon. :)

[exitwound]

Immodium AD?

Benzos?

OTC sleeping pills, cough syrup, etc....

There's tons of withdrawal guides out there, man! Google it up.....

[sidman]

to me there are no easier way's to get around the w/d's!! benzo's are great to take off the edge,and help sleep,but other than that,i usually drink ton's of fluid's to rinse out my system and get it outta me quicker,but i would have to be careful,because the faster i would get it out of me,the worse the w/d's man!! but they would be done faster too......so i wish the best for you.....if anybody has done a long cold turkey withdraw,i have!! i am now 15 days clean!! if i could do it,you can(i just kicked a h habit....for now)too!

[Zoop]

Most recently, when I was suffering from some opiate WD's, I was taking immodium tablets, 4 to 6 at a time every 4 hours, some of those "cough gels" capsules (generic or Robitussin brand), which are 15mg dextromethorphan - about 4 or 5 at a time every 4 hours, and lots and lots of vitamin C - 1,000mg twice a day, and water too, that other comment is a good one about drinking lots of water.

BUT, there is really no way to get rid of WD's other than going through them, or taking some dope.

Benzo's are probably the best non-opiate type prescription drug for 'em.

[bogumil]

I always have some 30s pure codeine here for such purposes. I take 2 every 5 hours and some cocaine (I know most would tell me that coca is nothing to help with Wd, but maybe the imagination or the act of snorting helps.)

Loperamide (immodium)

Benzos

Sleping pills

Hot tea

Lots of water (1L per hour) - but a full bladder sucks when in WDs

Vitamins

Having someone to talk to

Cigarrettes (for the beginning)

Willpower

[exitwound]

The coke probably helps keep your dopamine levels up, something that undoubtedly helps blunt the worst of the WD's.

L-Tyrosine might work almost as well for those without access to coca....

[JoyDivision]

Loperamide for loose bowels. But don't use it with opiates. If you've got other opiates. Use those instead.

Non-Narcotic Analgesics / NSAIDs:
Paracetamol / Aceteminophen 500mg - 8 per day every 4-6 hours. 325mg ones 12 per day.
Ibuprofen 200mg - 6 per day every 4-6 hours
Aspirin 300mg - up to 13 per day 2-3 every 4-6 hours. 500mg ones 7-8 per day. 2 every 4-6 hours.

Weak Narcotic Analgesics:
Tylenol w/ Codeine / Panadeine / Panadeine Forte
Tylenol 1's - 8 per day every 4-6 hours <- same as Panadeine
Tylenol 2's - 8 per day every 4-6 hours <- same as Panadeine-15 or Prodeine-15
Tylenol 3's - 8 per day every 4-6 hours <- same as Panadeine Forte or Codalgin Forte
Tylenol 4's - 4-8 per day every 4-6 hours <- no such thing in Australia. Don't know about the UK or other countries except for US and CAN.

Dextropropoxyphene / Propoxyphene
Follow the dosage guide. This stuff makes me sick if I take it too much. It may do the same to you so go easy. Use 12 of the 32.5mg propoxyphene ones in a day. Use 8 of the 65mg Propoxphene HCL and 8 of the 100mg Propoxyphene Napsylate per day.

Tramadol
No more than 400mg in a day or your asking for trouble.
2 every 4-6 hours. You could take it up to 500mg if the wd's / pain is really bad.

Strong Narcotic Analgesics
Morphine, Methadone, etc. I don't know the doses for these sorry. But go easy. You're wd'ing remember! So use small amounts. The idea is to bring you down gradually.

Benzodiazepines
Valium (Diazepam) 2mg, 5mg, 10mg.
20mg is a good sedation dose. 2mg - 5mg is a good anxiety, muscle spasm dose.
10mg is a very good anxiety, muscle spasm and even pain relief dose. Especially when used with 60mg to 120mg of Codeine.

Temezepam for sleep. Standard dose. 1-2 pills.
Nitrazepam. Same.

Don't know much about other benzos. Except 1-2mg of Xanax would be good for sleep. 0.25mg to 0.5mg would be good during the daytime.

Muscle Relaxants / Anti-Spasmotics.

Norgesic / Norflex for muscle spasms, pain.
Cyclobenzaprine for same.
Quinine for Muscle spasms and cramps.
Baclofen for Muscle spasms, pain, cramps.
Soma for same.

Don't know any others sorry.

Illicit drugs
Marijuana , maybe mushies.


Other drugs you could use.

Poppy Seeds! Poppy Pods.

Dextromethorphanhydrobromide - DXM. 15 to 150mg at a time. 150mg is a pretty strong dose.
Any more than that is a waste for what you could use the next day or 2.

Dimenhydrinate - anti-histamine , use for sedation, headaches, migraines.
Diphenhydramine - ditto. stronger version of dimenhydrinate.
Doxylamine Succinate - anti-histamine, use for sedation, calmative.

Vitamins - Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin B6. Perhaps some Vitamin C.

[jim kunatz]

anyone ever take purduetas with hydro i dont know if i fuckedup but my breathing is feeling weird i had about 5 500 hydros and 1 50 mlg purdetas any buddy know if this is ok i dont know why i feel this way i have had about 7 shout iv of diludid before and it never messed with me

[devilsdrug]

wds suuck but the best advice i can give is that they get easier , better , decrease as you go along that is the light at at end of tunnel to look forward to , ive gone as long as 3 weeks before i got more than 2 hrs sleep at a time . usually its about 1 to 2 wks though these are forced cold turkeys w/o any help. other than the other bros in the cell .all i can say is hey eventually go away. ha myself there would be somebody waitin out the door with the outfit already full. DAMN that first one after goin thru all that was GOOD.

[JoyDivision]

The worst part is fever / chills and dope sick sweat on the back.

[Kallie]

Loperamide for loose bowels. But don't use it with opiates. If you've got other opiates. Use those instead.

Non-Narcotic Analgesics / NSAIDs:
Paracetamol / Aceteminophen 500mg - 8 per day every 4-6 hours. 325mg ones 12 per day.
Ibuprofen 200mg - 6 per day every 4-6 hours
Aspirin 300mg - up to 13 per day 2-3 every 4-6 hours. 500mg ones 7-8 per day. 2 every 4-6 hours.

Weak Narcotic Analgesics:
Tylenol w/ Codeine / Panadeine / Panadeine Forte
Tylenol 1's - 8 per day every 4-6 hours <- same as Panadeine
Tylenol 2's - 8 per day every 4-6 hours <- same as Panadeine-15 or Prodeine-15
Tylenol 3's - 8 per day every 4-6 hours <- same as Panadeine Forte or Codalgin Forte
Tylenol 4's - 4-8 per day every 4-6 hours <- no such thing in Australia. Don't know about the UK or other countries except for US and CAN.

Dextropropoxyphene / Propoxyphene
Follow the dosage guide. This stuff makes me sick if I take it too much. It may do the same to you so go easy. Use 12 of the 32.5mg propoxyphene ones in a day. Use 8 of the 65mg Propoxphene HCL and 8 of the 100mg Propoxyphene Napsylate per day.

Tramadol
No more than 400mg in a day or your asking for trouble.
2 every 4-6 hours. You could take it up to 500mg if the wd's / pain is really bad.

Strong Narcotic Analgesics
Morphine, Methadone, etc. I don't know the doses for these sorry. But go easy. You're wd'ing remember! So use small amounts. The idea is to bring you down gradually.

Benzodiazepines
Valium (Diazepam) 2mg, 5mg, 10mg.
20mg is a good sedation dose. 2mg - 5mg is a good anxiety, muscle spasm dose.
10mg is a very good anxiety, muscle spasm and even pain relief dose. Especially when used with 60mg to 120mg of Codeine.

Temezepam for sleep. Standard dose. 1-2 pills.
Nitrazepam. Same.

Don't know much about other benzos. Except 1-2mg of Xanax would be good for sleep. 0.25mg to 0.5mg would be good during the daytime.

Muscle Relaxants / Anti-Spasmotics.

Norgesic / Norflex for muscle spasms, pain.
Cyclobenzaprine for same.
Quinine for Muscle spasms and cramps.
Baclofen for Muscle spasms, pain, cramps.
Soma for same.

Don't know any others sorry.

Illicit drugs
Marijuana , maybe mushies.


Other drugs you could use.

Poppy Seeds! Poppy Pods.

Dextromethorphanhydrobromide - DXM. 15 to 150mg at a time. 150mg is a pretty strong dose.
Any more than that is a waste for what you could use the next day or 2.

Dimenhydrinate - anti-histamine , use for sedation, headaches, migraines.
Diphenhydramine - ditto. stronger version of dimenhydrinate.
Doxylamine Succinate - anti-histamine, use for sedation, calmative.

Vitamins - Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin B6. Perhaps some Vitamin C.


That's a great list to keep on hand.... just in case. Thanks.

[candy]

The list of meds JoyDivision gave is great.
Just a few notes:

Nitrazepam- Not available in the U.S. It use is to control seizures and for insomnia.

Dimenhydrinate(Dramamine) Great for nausea. Doxylamine(Vistaril,Atarax; also found in combinations such as Dimetapp) can be used to treat nausea.

Tramadol(Ultram) can be used for pain, but for those detoxing from Methadone, I wouldn't suggest Tramadol at all. Will increase symptoms of withdrawal. Drug alone can cause withdrawal for those on Methadone Maintenance. Best to avoid if your doing a Methadone detox. Will increase enzymes levels-Best to avoid for anyone with liver disease.

[RThompson]

JoyDivision's list is about on, but as an addition to the Benzo category, try for Xanax (2mg/per or combined levels of lesser quantities, not exceeding 10mg/24hours or so... if you make it that far and don't pass out asleep, still no worries, Benzos are amazingly hard to "overdose" on), or Klonopin (clonazepam) at a similar dosage level as given for Xanax as it acts as a good anti-convulsant. And never overload oneself on a bunch of cheap shit in order to just get by.

Also... I don't think "mushies", as JD had it listed and as I'm taking for mushrooms, would be helpful. Hmm. Though the thought of tripping while withdrawing brings a wicked grin to the corners of my lips--it'd be interesting, in the least--BUT probably not 'helpful'. I wouldn't recommend it. But, who knows?

[shaunclo]

Thats funny, I was just going to post about the mushrooms suggestion. I would never, ever, ever take a psychadelic while w/d'ing. OMFG!!! could you even try and imagine how bad that trip could get if you were in the wrong state of mind to begin with.

w/d'ing is already like taking a bad hit of acid or something, the fuckin panic and stress of wondering how the hell am I going to get thru this.

Having someone to talk to really helped me out. I remember the 1st time I was w/ding, I really didnt have a clue as to how bad it would be. I remember just busting out in tears for no reason whatsoever, I then called a 1-800-suicide # because I was so scared and depressed I didnt know how I was going to get through it. But hey, I did, im still here and so will you. Good luck, and PM me if you need to talk.

[HistoryofMadness]

In my experience dehydration is a huge reason for feeling shitty, plus the loss of electrolytes. I took vit Complex B (I think B6 / B12) for appetite increase, drank pedialyte for those oh so pleasant irritable stomach days when I was losing mucho water (all of them), and wellbutrin for the fuck-its.

Forget about sleep, though. I tried so many different OTC + alcohol but that just made things worse, until finally I resigned myself to being nuts for a week or two.

Oh, and stock up on chocolate (I know you're almost through, 3 days in anyway) but when I got close to the edge, a little choc would give me 20 seconds or so of relief. I'd take any at that point, ken?

-H

[JoyDivision]

The reason I suggested Mushies is because psychadelics have the power to promote strong personal changes. Such is how the San Pedro cactus is used in South America. It is used to make a change in someone's life. But yes. Psychadelics are heavily dependant on one's state of mind. When would be a good time to use psychadelics in order to help facilitate change?

Marijuana is a weak psychadelic. How is that any different from the negative effects of Mushies despite it being weaker (well unless you smoke the shit in this town!).

If anyone wants to add to the list. Feel free. I was trying to make it multi-regional so that people in other countries can benefit. I've only made it to apply to English speaking countries though. Perhaps those from european or other countries could add to it.

I can't believe Nitrazepam isn't available in the US. Yet you have 10mg diazepam! I found Diazepam to be better than Nitrazepam when I used it. It didn't do shit to me when I used it ages ago for sleep. Hell, Doxylamine Succinate knocked me out quicker as did Diphenhydramine.

[exitwound]

I almost think they should come out with a new product....Immodium WD lololol :D

[RThompson]

The reason I suggested Mushies is because psychadelics have the power to promote strong personal changes. Such is how the San Pedro cactus is used in South America. It is used to make a change in someone's life. But yes. Psychadelics are heavily dependant on one's state of mind. When would be a good time to use psychadelics in order to help facilitate change?

Right-right. I supposed when I first read mushrooms on your list that you were going for the "shock therapy treatment" route. And true, if hallucinogens as powerful as mushrooms, peyote, LSD, et cetera, have ANY medical/psychiatric value, then addiction therapy ("addiction" to many substances and 'behaviors') would be one of the best uses of psychedelics to aide a person make a change in their life. So we're agreed here, only I don't believe the average junkie in withdrawal is ready to STOP and also the average junkie in withdrawal that is ready to STOP is not capable of using a hallucinogen in any way that can help them... at that time. Some might could, but the percentages would be astronomically low to nil. Psychedelics, I would think, could be used in treatment centers for patients that have already withdrawn from opiates (or any other addiction) as the point of their use (in this scenario) is to help "re-wire" (basically) their mind towards wanting to live life without addiction... psychedelics could only be used for the mental parts, the after effects, the real dependency that comes after the physical immediacy has calmed: the lifestyle dependence. That's the worst part, really, I think. After physical withdrawal is over--so long as one does not become readdicted--it's all a harsh memory, nothing more. But psychedelics could (and I say "should") be used--in a undefinably-decent setting--to help a person either realize or re-enforce that they want to remain addiction-free, and mainly, "Why do I want this?" Still the list is excellent, and I'd recommend it, but the main gist of it is to physically withdraw as quickly and as easily as possible through whatever available chemicals. The withdrawing mind always bends, still withdrawal never breaks it, no matter how much it feels like it will.

Marijuana is a weak psychadelic. How is that any different from the negative effects of Mushies despite it being weaker (well unless you smoke the shit in this town!).

A lot! Marijuana can help induce sleep in a withdrawing person; it can be an antiemetic; it can aide in restoring "normal" nutrient intake. And much more. Still, I'm only speaking of chemicals (and herbs, whatever) that can help make physical withdrawal easier and faster. Pot can easily intensify the bad mental effects, but it's nowhere near as powerful as accidently starting to dwell on how bad one feels physically on Day Two of opiate withdrawal after pumping oneself up with 3-5 grams of dried psilocybin...

Again, I'm not arguing, no, and that is still nevertheless an excellent and very helpful list of likewise helpful ways to avert the brunt onslaught of physical junk withdrawal, or to at least make it more tolerable.

I can't believe Nitrazepam isn't available in the US. Yet you have 10mg diazepam! I found Diazepam to be better than Nitrazepam when I used it. It didn't do shit to me when I used it ages ago for sleep. Hell, Doxylamine Succinate knocked me out quicker as did Diphenhydramine.

True, nitrazepam isn't available in the U.S. anymore, and it's only maybe twice a year I see five-milligram Valium (and I see many nerve meds everyday...)--rare--and I've only seen 2mg Vs once in my twenty-seven years, and that was in a hundred-quantity sheet of blister packed shit from Mexico. If ever I see Valium, they're ten-milligram. There's no real market for them here (where I live in the U.S. anyway), they're costly comparable to other benzos (an average generic diazepam 10mg can be sold for $2 each--lucky when it happens, but they can be bought cheaper) when that's the same cost ($2-3) that's USUALLY pegged onto a 1mg Xanax (well, alprazolam), a 1mg Klonopin, et cetera. People usually pay between $4-and-$6 for a 2mg alprazolam. It's obvious that here benzos are not priced so much for comparable quality or even availability... it's just a matter of which or what one personally likes better. But I'm getting off-point.

I've never had nitrazepam, but everything I know equates them strength-wise with Valium, and I do like diazepam, very much... for what it does (getting comparable again), and were it not that someone close to me gets and has for five years a monthly 100 10mg Valium script I wouldn't take them often at all with my benzo tolerance (I can easily take up to 50, 80, 100mg and walk straight lines, sipping coffee at 2:00 in the morning, continuously smoking pot, and still trying to stay awake and write... largely succeeding and with a minimal of loss or rewrite when I go back over what I've done the night before, 18-hours later). But yes, one of the best sedatives widely & easily available is dyphenhydramine. I get diphenhydramine hydrochloride in 50mg capsules, 100/28 days (what am I supposed to do with THAT much antihistamine?!), and if I really want to sleep, about 100-500mg (for me, and I've a heavy tolerance) usually does it. Also, promethazine (Phenergan) is a good chemical to use in withdrawal, 25mg uncoated tabs, as needed: a sedative with antiemetic qualities, primarily.

[dorje]

Sex and lots of it...get some completely athletic nyphomaniac women and induce her to f==uck your brains out... tell her it's an experiment to see how the opiate receptors (that mediate every pleasure we will ever feel in our bodies) react to having the ventral medial hypothalamic region gang banged by Malaysian lap dancers. After WD's peak you will get horny and any breeze will cause you to come ..just like all that sneezing only through a different organ..f==uck yourself blind...f==uck upside down f==uck sideways whatever you do don;t stop suddenly it could hurt your heart ...you have to keep it up and in for at least 48 hours then the danger subsides thank the nice lady let her know she will be quoted in the paper..you know when she said ohmigod..Take it out...take it out..it's too big..and then when she said put it back in...right now...all the way..that's; right...say nice things about her younger sister and diablo the brother with the whips

[OpieContin]

Sex and lots of it...get some completely athletic nyphomaniac women and induce her to f==uck your brains out... tell her it's an experiment to see how the opiate receptors (that mediate every pleasure we will ever feel in our bodies) react to having the ventral medial hypothalamic region gang banged by Malaysian lap dancers. After WD's peak you will get horny and any breeze will cause you to come ..just like all that sneezing only through a different organ..f==uck yourself blind...f==uck upside down f==uck sideways whatever you do don;t stop suddenly it could hurt your heart ...you have to keep it up and in for at least 48 hours then the danger subsides thank the nice lady let her know she will be quoted in the paper..you know when she said ohmigod..Take it out...take it out..it's too big..and then when she said put it back in...right now...all the way..that's; right...say nice things about her younger sister and diablo the brother with the whips

LOL...Next time I will try this method.


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[CUBErt]

Many people have already mentioned marijuana, but if you're anything like me that will definitely enable you to sleep. I was goin on my second night of heroin withdrawals, and so for hadn't had any medication. This night though I had Suboxone and weed. I was trying to save the sub for the day time (I only had one), so I just took a quarter of it. After like 20 minutes I got impatient, still tossing and turning as I had been for hours, so I got up and took a couple fat rips outta my pipe. Lied back down, and I just knew that sleep was now right around the corner (and it was :))

[myfaceitches]

I almost think they should come out with a new product....Immodium WD lololol :D

Haha...funny shit man

[rileyspt]

can you get some Suboxine - I used it to get off Opiates - no W/D's ever and just weaned off the Suboxine easy - best of luck - sorry for the pain

:( Lilly