overcooking morphine

[mkultra]

i think i get less high when i overcook my morphine, i'm hearing from some people this destroys the morphine and it should be heated till it gets oily and not heated until it bubbles but i was thinking its safer to boil the crap out of things i shoot to be sure not to get cotton fever, kill all the bacteria, etc. should it be brought to a boil or no ?

[SurfRat]

I'm still not entirely clear on the exact temperatures but the Morphine molecule is heat sensitive and high temperatures degrade Morphine.

[20Dollarholla]

I dont boil morphine at all I go with the cold shot, but I can only cop the MS-Contin and when you heat hose the morphine becomes trapped in the wax so you arent getting it all. Also with morphine I let the water and morphine sit in the spoon for about 5 minutes, if you let it sit like that you are guaranteed to get ALL the morphine outta the pill.

Now Ive been playing with needles for about 10 years and NEVER have had cotton fever or an abcess and I cold shoot everything, for me I'm more worried about losing product than the consequences of cold shots. The people I know who do cook their shots only bring it up to a quick boil (only a couple bubbles) and stop. Anythging more wastes dope they say. I think that heating it period wastes SOME, but I guess its a personal preference between extra safety or losing product.

[jackjohnson]

cotton fever has nothing to do with boiling your dope, it has to do with using already used cottons. also, ms contins most definitely dont have enough bacteria in them to be harmful, id be more worried about the binders/fillers. the only way boiling ur shit would help would be if you were using a dirty spoon but that can easily be avoided. just heat your shit a little bit to aid in the dissolution and dont worry about bacteria - bacteria is everywhere.

[Synack]

if you bring it to a boil, you will destroy most of the morphine. Try using sterile water and sterile filters (I'm sure you can purchase something like this online) - Also, swab the area with alcohol prior to injection and do not reuse your syringes.

Search around for Ike's postings - he's gives much more information on the temperatures that destroy morphine.

[rachamim18]

Boiling morphine does destroy it. Some argue that it is only briefly at boiling and that the brief exposure could not possibly destroy it but they tend to forget how little is in the cooker.

[pharmboy]

180 Deg. F and above will break down morphine the higher the temp
and longer the time
the more it will break down.

[elsaLvsangels]

A friend of mine was wondering how you can avoid the thickening of the liquid without boiling the shit outta it? These would be the 100mg/extended release ones, grey one side...clear the other side, ESLON is the name on capsule. Any info on this would be of great help:D
Thanks in advance!!!!

[jacky]

%$^$%^ witnessed individuals boiling down poppy straw extract down for hours to thick consistencys.
not wanting to wait for slow, low temp evaporations.

the resulting black, salty resin, was reported to be very potent, regardless of hours of boiling.

of course $%^$%$ dont know how much morphine was destroyed in the process, but its theorized it wasnt a huge percentage, as relatively small amounts of the resin were found to be quite potent.

perhaps boiling in water keeps the morphine from evaporating too quickly.
???

I know then they process heroin, that boiling processes are used as well.
of course, in that clandestined scenario, some loss of product is not an issue...but I somehow think that boiling in water, doesnt quickly destroy/evap the morphine content.

[jacky]

oh,
and as far as preparing IV shots are concerned..
boil the hell out of that.

especially if you talking about tar heroin.


as a great Dr at a methadone clinic I use to go to used to say " if its hot, your not!"
boil, boil,boil.

dont be greedy with a few milligrams...its not worth it.

plus, with some types of dope, a good boil helps to clear out some cuts in the form of a condensation on the bottom of the spoon.
I think shoe polish cuts work in this way...usually leaving a plastic like skin growing on the bottom of the spoon.
I would consider people shooting pills do the same thing.

if you have time, let those pills soak in water in crushed form for awhile ahead of time as well.

I dont have alot of experience IV'ing pills, for about a year or so, I was using oxycontin on a daily basis.
I shot it up much of the time, but was trying to hide that from everyone. it made for a real hassle, personally I think its easier to clean up tar heroin than shoot a pill that chemists have worked on so hard to be a pain in the ass to IV.
I am sure that over time there is something about that practise that might lend to some health problems just from the fillers/binders even in trace amounts that are consumed.

[More Feen]

I don't know how easily available these things are, but some people who work in hospitals & university laboratories use these "MICRON FILTERS" that attach to syringes.

If they have a solution that they cannot boil, or otherwise sterilize, they will draw that solution up through one of these filters that are designed to be attached to a syringe.

They come in different sizes, such 2-um (2 micrometer), and 1 um, and even 0.5 um etc.... I forgot the specifics, but if you're only trying to 'weed-out" bacteria, you'd use a certain size, if one is trying to filter-out most viruses, you'd use the REALLY small size.

All of the ones that I've seen are clear, hard plastic, which surrounds the filter (sometimes its a disk, other times it is more of a cylinder).

I guess depending on how much particulate matter you have in your original solution, you could completely clog-up one of these filters really quickly--especially if you used a really tight sized filter.

They even make filtered needles (I don't know the size of the pores), but the ones I've seen have been 18 gauge needles. I think these are generally used in hospitals when drawing-up solutions from something in a glass ampule. The idea being that wee shards of glass can break-off of the ampule when opening and get into the solution. By drawing up the solution up through a filter needle, the (microscopic) pieces of glass are caught in the filter.

Of course, when injecting (either directly into the patient, or into their IV line) the nurse would change to a regular needle--less they inject the shards caught in the filter right into the patient/ IV line.

It might be worthwhile to check with some lab supply companies for such micron-filters. They might work better / safer than using cotton. Of course, when money is involved, cotton is expedient, cheap and time-proven.

If anyone out there knows someone who has used such syringe filter, let us know how good they worked.

M F

[bodytec]

I dont boil morphine at all I go with the cold shot, but I can only cop the MS-Contin and when you heat hose the morphine becomes trapped in the wax so you arent getting it all. Also with morphine I let the water and morphine sit in the spoon for about 5 minutes, if you let it sit like that you are guaranteed to get ALL the morphine outta the pill.

Now Ive been playing with needles for about 10 years and NEVER have had cotton fever or an abcess and I cold shoot everything, for me I'm more worried about losing product than the consequences of cold shots. The people I know who do cook their shots only bring it up to a quick boil (only a couple bubbles) and stop. Anythging more wastes dope they say. I think that heating it period wastes SOME, but I guess its a personal preference between extra safety or losing product.

yes i think that OVERHEATING your pills will degrade them a bit
seems so because the dope is now in the water,and then the water evaps,dope along with it
i heat mine without letting it boil at all,you can get a feel for how long to heat by experience.
but crush the pill and work out the dope quickly so the wax will stay clumped together.
if you aren't quick the wax will disperse and make it really tough to draw up.
i actually thought i had gotten some new formulation of oc when i wasn't quick and it dispersed
then gave it some more heat and it straightened out

[China white]

I dont boil morphine at all I go with the cold shot, but I can only cop the MS-Contin and when you heat hose the morphine becomes trapped in the wax so you arent getting it all. Also with morphine I let the water and morphine sit in the spoon for about 5 minutes, if you let it sit like that you are guaranteed to get ALL the morphine outta the pill.

Now Ive been playing with needles for about 10 years and NEVER have had cotton fever or an abcess and I cold shoot everything, for me I'm more worried about losing product than the consequences of cold shots. The people I know who do cook their shots only bring it up to a quick boil (only a couple bubbles) and stop. Anythging more wastes dope they say. I think that heating it period wastes SOME, but I guess its a personal preference between extra safety or losing product.


I have to agree with you 20, slight boil at most. So are you shooting mud over there in ohio/.? or colombia's finest???

[China white]

i thought cotton fever was from pulling some of the cotton into the barrel, not having used cottons?