cold water extraction

[jay]

This is my first post as a new member and iam thirsty for knowledge.Any help is realy appreciated.

1-My experience is limited to cold water extraction but the caffiene is very limiting.Any suggestion on removing or reducing the caffiene is appreciated.The simpler the better.

2-Is codiene obtained by cold water extraction smokable or does it have to be changed to base.

3-I have read a lot on the internet about different chemical extractions/seperations using chloroform among other chemicals.It is immposible for me to obtain chloroform so i thought i can make it and from reading i understood that chloroform can be made by reaction of ethanol with chlorine through distilation can anybody provide more precise information on that.Or maybe somebody can give me an obtainable substitute.

[Va_va]

Hey im new also but i CWE very regularly - ive never extracted codeine with caffeine there is a way to eliminate the caffeine but you will need some chemicals ( chloroform i think ) ud be better leaving it in and having a higher dose to counteract it if possible

Codeine freebase is a smokable form of codeine and there is barely nothing if not none in a finished CWE for you to smoke ( dont try it just drink it ) but again it can be made from the product you are left with after a CWE using a method involving chems which is quite hard for someone with no chemistry experiance ( dont let that put you off researching and even trying in future years look at it as something you can achive later on )

And finally there are probably substitutes for chloroform along the lines of methylated spirits etc ( im not sure at all ) which can be obtained from diy stores etc you just have to look and research substitutes or what you are trying to extract is soluble in.

ONE MAIN POINT I WANT TO ADD FOR ANYONE DOING CWE'S IS - when you do your CWE make sure you re - extract the left over goop as i am convinced that has at least fifty percent of your final product in it wethar you are extracting paramol or co codamol, I used to extract once only and the buzz went after a few days of using, nowadays i extract twice and have a fantastic high every time althou codeine does get very boring, right as we speak im brewing some DHC up and im excited lol it never lets me down - so yeah extract twice it takes more time but you want a high, right ?

PEOPLE HAVE THERE OWN OPINIONS DO NOT CRITICISE MINE BUT BY ALL MEANS COMMENT AND LEARNING/TEACHING WILL BE MUCH MORE FUN

HAPPY DAYS - VA VA

[Nuke]

Caffeine can be extracted with a non-polar that its soluble in and for which codeine isnt, Chloroform or Dichloromethane could be used. Methylated spirits is polar and therefore will not work!

The cold water extraction leaves you with codeine phosphate, caffeine and small amount of the APAP or ASA. Making a freebase isnt hard and dosent require any chemistry knowledge, all you have to do is add baking soda untill effervesence (Bubbling) slows, then evaporate.

Chloroform can be made by the chlorination of ethanol but it can also be made very easily with sodium hypochlorite (Household Bleach) and Dimethyl Ketone (Acetone), both of which you could obtain easilly from many many places. If youre interested in making some I'll leave a synth, allthough I wouldnt recommend keeping it around because this certain chloroform isnt vary stable and phosgene (killer gas) could be a problem. If you have methanol or ethanol you could stabilize it than store it.

Va Va what do you mean by brewing up DHC, DHC as in dihydrocodine?

[jay]

Thanks for the info nuke,i was waiting specificaly for your reply because from reading your previous threads you seem to be very knowlegeable.
I realy thought obtaining codiene fee base was more complicated ,maybe the process i read about wich ivolved both sodium carbonate and chloroform washing was meant for both converting to free base and purifiction.
Is there a certain PH i have to reach or specific portions of bicarbonate/codeine to use.

Iam very interersted in chloroform synthesis and would appreciate your help.

Also, is codiene extraction possible with efferevescent tablets.

Va-va i will try two extractions, but do you repeat the same process with the left over residue or do you just wash it with ice water.

[Nuke]

Well if your using apap (tylenol) you should use sodium carbonate to basify and if your using aspirin containing tablets you should use sodium hydroxide, the reason is because sodium hydroxide supposedly reacts with the Apap. Rhodium has a good method for chloroform from aceton and bleaching powder but this sites procedure is much simpler. http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloroform.htm. ph should be around 12 or 13 but its not essential that its perfect, at that ph the codeine base should precipitate out of the solution and you can filter it. And no do not use alka seltzer to basify! use red devil lye if you have pills with aspirin or use sodium carbonate for tylenol. Also, yes you should extract it atleast a couple of times with water, morre preferable 3 or 4 times. plus the initial extraction should be done with hot water not cold, extract with hot water to get as much codeine as possible in the solution and then put it in the freezer until it becomes just above freezing 2 or 3 degrees C than filter to get most of the tylenol or aspirin out. Also dont use coffee filters, use a regular funnel that you'd find in your kitchen with cotton stuck in the spout really tightly, then siphon off the cold liquid leaving the tylenol/aspirin layer at the bottom untouched. then filter that liquid through the filtering funnel. once you have that clear liquid add the base to it and it should precipitate out.

[doctor diesel]

Hi, I'm a keen newbie who's been scanning posts but keeping quiet so far :o . Could I ask Nuke to expand on "all you have to do is add baking soda untill effervesence (Bubbling) slows, then evaporate"? Are we talking about adding the BS to the two-times extracted leftover goop, and if so, do we dilute the goop any before adding, and how much do we add (per ml of goop, roughly)? Also, I don't want to be a pain, but as my missus needs a codeine high or three (who is in constant pain from fibromyalgia, and docs just won't give her anything decent for it) :mad: so I'm dependent on guys like you, if we then evaporate the goop, are we not then left with a shitload of baking soda to smoke?

Hungry for knowledge!!


Doctor Diesel

[Va_va]

Okay firstly on the subject of methylated spirits i wrote after ' im not sure at all' so thank you for verifying that nuke - also i did not realize that was the way to make freebase i have tried that method before i will obviously need to look and learn from you here. And yes i was meaing dihydrocodeine by DHC. Codeine is not worth extracting these days althou i am curious about freebase codeine.

Secondly when i say extract twice i mean scrape the goop off your filter, stir with water, refridgerate and filter for the second time - THIS IS SOOOOOO IMPORTANT YOU ARE WASTING YOUR MONEY OTHER WISE. THIS REFERS TO A COLD WATER EXTRACTION.

I am also curios about whethar sodium carbonate will dissolve in small amounts into your final product as it seems to have a taste of that in the final product and yes i remove one hundread percent of the secondary substance and there is no solid in the finished product AT ALL that is also the same with dihydrocodeine extractions, also do i have to use chloroform if we have no caffeine in the codeine. I have all those chemicals you mentioned so i will be looking into this, nice one.

Happy days all - Vava

Infact just read that link and the details you posted and they look fairly straight forward

[Nuke]

First diesel do not add your base to the goo add it to the solution with the codeine in it, it would be best if you had some pH papers. I've never used sodium bicarbonate before but Ive heard it could be used, to be safe I would try to find some sodium carbonte. but that being said, if your GF has severe fibromyalgia smoking codeine is not the answer, smoking codeine is gay quite honestly and a waste to boot, dont bother trying to get a free base just drink the liquid with some kool aid mix in it, its much better. Extracting codeine as a freebase is only really usefull if you intend on playing with it, like morphine synthesis. VaVa pouring your liquid and pill goo all in the filter is a big no-no. You want to only decant the mix then only pour the decanted liquid into the filter, all I mean by decanting is removing the liquid leaving the pill layer untounced, you could use a syphoning tube or large syringe . once you mix the pills in water let it sit still for a half an hour and then syphon off only the liquid. heres a shitty graphic of what im talking about. In the picture I also have a different type of filter that would be alot better for you, with cotton shoved tight in the spout and sand above the cotton to prevent any clogging of the filter. http://storage.msn.com/s1pZ8pl_R1n1zG6npjJ933OCBVrFo1GoKSxOQzlFPb5hCBAZqa u5eC9WFUv8CF6-79mxI4_m9hL0IR9SKasnaOZkg/00.jpg?MdToken=3626207108815753

[Va_va]

Okay firstly again lol i did not mean put the already extracted water back through your 'goop' that makes no sense im surprised you even thought i meant that !

Obviously i mean use new water for extracting the 'goop' again, and sodium carbonate is found at many supermarkets etc ( co-op for one ) sold as baking powder

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW i just re-read what you wrote and i think that is ridiculous, maybe not if you are using cotton wool as a filter but hey, you didnt even ask what i was filtering with !

I use jeans of a good quality that lets no solid through ( amazingly ) youl find many clandestine chemists do. So therefore scraping of the 'goop' is straight forward and you loose about five percent if that ! It must be very trickey scraping off or retriving the 'goop' you have left on cotton wool but as you said you dont add the goop, which to me seems like you are creating extra work for yourself

Happy days - Vava

[doctor diesel]

Thanks Nuke. Two questions: firstly, Va Va, where do mere mortals like me purchase the necessary processing chemicals in the UK. Secondly, to both of you: is there an easy test for checking the paracetamol (APAP) content of the results of your CWE - just to be sure you're not killing yourself?

THX

Diesel

[Va_va]

You should just compare - get a glass with an equivalent amount of water and add a finger scoop of 'goop' off your filter into the glass

You will clearly be able to tell the diffrence because in seconds the goop you purposley added will have settled on the bottom, also YOU CAN JUST TELL !
You should be able to look through your glass with Codeine in it and see no solid whatsoever just a tint to the water - the only way i can describe it is a crystaly tint.

There are more advanced ways

Nuke will be your best bet at getting resources for chems including that amazing link he included for making chloroform, all i can say is search your bandq high and low ive seen everything there and a little bit more

Make sure you are using a good quality filter - Nuke's idea of cotton wool balls is a great one althou i do not know how he would get the 'goop' back of to re-extract with more clean water. You'd need to ask - i would strongly advise against jeans as the ones i use are specific ones ( lee jeans to be exact ), other ones i have tried have had dye come out etc so unless you have an old pair of lee jeans about use cotton wool and follow his extraction.

Reading over what he said this morning about freebase it has put me off - as codeine itself is not a very exciting drug to use and i wouldnt like to be addicted to smoking freebase codeine on foil for the rest of my life, it would look quiet sad !
Look into further recipes on how you can change your very simply CWE codeine into something more exciting like morphine

[doctor diesel]

We use codeine for the missus because it's the only obtainable pain killer that actually works for her, and we can't get anything else other than tramadol and a limited amount of buprenorphine. The bupe is okay for occasional intransigent pain provided she takes at least three times the prescribed dose, while the Tramadol does nothing unless she takes 200mg at one hit together with 100mg codeine. On it's own it's crap.

But there's no pain she suffers that doesn't respond to a big belt of codeine - 200mg at one hit will solve any problem for up to three hours. Trouble is the doc doesn't endorse that kind of thing, so we can't get enough codeine, so the solution has to be CWE. I'm going to give it a go.

Diesel

[Nuke]

Look VaVa youre going about it in completely the wrong direction, honestly almost everything you recommend doing is bunkum. There is no need to put the pill matter and all into the filter, its called decantation! Pouring pill matter/liquid all in at once increases the amount of apap that gets into your solution. leaving it filter at ambient temperature with goo in the filter will completely ruin the whole schematic of the "Cold" water extraction because the "GOO" will glog the filter and hence will take eons longer to filter. You said that you wonder how you would get the goop back from the filter from using the cotton plug filter, the answer is "you dont, because it isnt there!" there should only be very little amounts of solid particles in the decanted liquid, I repeat do not put the solid pill matter in the filter. Using denim material for filtering is not nearly as effective as a cotton plug filter. Beleive me any "clandestine" chemist would use a cotton adsorbent plug filter long before they would ever resort to using denim.

Once you have the codeine extracted into solution and have it all filtered the codeine liquid should be as clear as water, if its milky or slightly cloudy that means that there is undissolved apap and that must mean the filter is a piece of shit . Before drinking it make sure the codeine liquid is clear as water. Diesel, if the solution is cloudy that means that there is excess paracetemol and it shoulkd be filtered untill completely clear. VaVa if the water has a tint that means there is excess paracetemol and it should be filtered agiain untill clear, I cant stress it enough dont drink cloudly liquid.

To be able to use the cold water extraction correctly you should :
-Extract the pill mass several times with water (no more than 3mL per 1 pill)

-once you have let the pills mixture settle to the bottom you should decant the Liquid.

-You should filter it untill it is clear, using a cotton plug in a funnel will work magic and will only take one filter.

[doctor diesel]

:D Can I ask you experts just what the practical difference is between codeine phosphate, codeine sulphate and dihydrocodeine tartrate? Is the DHC a longer-lasting opiate, and is it true that it's more powerful than codeine phos? If so, can you give me a clue as to its equivalency with codeine phos, and does it cold-water extract from APAP okay?

Sorry to ask so many questions. If I thought I was capable, I'd sure as hell make morphine from codeine, but having looked at the instructions, that's a definite no-no for me. Know your limits, I always say!;)

Dr Diesel

[Va_va]

Seeing as you genuinly need a painkiller use paramol containing dihydrocodeine, do the cold water extraction but be sure you have no secondary substance left - prolonged use causes bad problems its happened to me when i was terrible at the CWE

And to be honest nuke i didnt even read past 'your going about it in the wrong way' as i know im not i get fantastic results at extracting codeine and dihydrocodeine and i get amazing high's from both for what there worth.

Codeine doesnt do much these days as i need longer highs to stop me getting down but it does give a nice euphoric rush for twenty minutes or so, i had some extracted paramol last night and im still feeling it now - i feel divine

Diesel email me at Vavavoom290@aol.com and i will give you detailed instructions IN ENGLISH pmsl aswell as pictures of me doing the extraction so you can get your pain killers sooner rather than later - for what you have wrote in your last message i would reccomend extracting from paramol ( to get DHC ) as codeine is unlikley to do much for you - but remember all the troubles of addiction and think aboout them first ( i guess you already do, i dont want to be the one who got you in a mess )

BTW diesel im not an 'expert' ( althou its nice of you to say ) i just know how to extract from tablets very efficiently - Nuke seems to be the 'expert' here

[Nuke]

Can I ask you experts just what the practical difference is between codeine phosphate, codeine sulphate and dihydrocodeine tartrate? Is the DHC a longer-lasting opiate, and is it true that it's more powerful than codeine phos? If so, can you give me a clue as to its equivalency with codeine phos, and does it cold-water extract from APAP okay?

Sorry to ask so many questions. If I thought I was capable, I'd sure as hell make morphine from codeine, but having looked at the instructions, that's a definite no-no for me. Know your limits, I always say!;)

all the codeine products you mentioned are the same drug wise. The names phosphate, hydrochloride, sulfate are just salt molecules bonded to the codeine alkaloid. Alkaloids can form water soluble salts when mixed with acids: phosphoric, hydrochloric, tartaric etc. The reason behind it is mainly is that these salts are water soluble and therefore can be absorbed by the human body easily. Dihydrocodeine dosent really last longer than codeine but it is more potent and has less side effects therefore its better at doing the job of killing pain, but potential for addiction increases also. According to the "Narcotic Analgesic Converter" 500 mg of codeine orally is equivelent to 50 mg of dihydrocodeine orally, so its ten times as potent. this figure varies alot from person to person because the conversion of codeine to morphine the human body is carried out by a specific isoenzyme and that enzyme varies greatly from person to person, some people just dont have it and therefore their body wont convert any of the codeine to morphine. Yes diesel, you can use the same cold water extraction procedure for dihydrocodeine also, along with most other narcotics mixed with APAP or ASA like percocets.

[jay]

Here is some feedback.I was able to produce chloroform by the method listed on scispot,I did put ice directly in the mixture the first time but the second time i just used an ice bath wich is less messy and the mixture is just pure chlorine and acetone and the temperature never exceeded 47C ,i was able to produce approximately 20ml/1500ml of chlorine+30ml of acetone and i did it 3 times so i have 60ml of chloroform ready for use ,i stored it in a tainted glass container and i added 3ml of ethanol (1ml/10ml) for stabilization, this is my own haphazard estimate,anyway the seperartion between the chlorform layer and the ethanol is clearly seen.

does anybody know if caffiene is active when smoked.
Also is it possilble to extract codeine from effervescent tablets.

[Nuke]

First off whatever you have is not chloroform if you mixed chlorine?? with acetone. The procedure calls for 5% sodium hypochlorite solution to be mixed with ice and acetone. I have no idea what caffeine does if smoked but I do know it is added to increase the taste of "Smoking Heroin". and no alka seltzer must not be used!!

[jay]

what i used was comon household bleach, clorox brand specificaly wich i beleive satisfies the synthesis requirement as per the site you listed.

Any comment on the amount of ethanol needed for preservation.

[Nuke]

5% methanol or ethanol in more than enough to take care of the phosgene.
If it says "sodium or potassium hypochlorite" on the container than it is the right stuff.

[jay]

Ok, now if after a lot of work i have a powder that is freebase codiene +caffiene,would there be a prefferd way to smoke this stuff and at what qunatity should one excpect an effect.

[Nuke]

Dont smoke it, even if it is a free base smoking it ruins most of it, codeine unlike some other alkaloids is extremely sensetive to heat and when you "smoke it" most of it will be ruined and you'll only get a slight effect. Codeine is extremely active orally, so just swallow it, also I may add its slightly more active as a suppository along with snorting.

[jay]

Ok nuke lets say i still want to try smoking it how can i do this.And does smoking cause a faster albeit more transient effect as opposed to oral intake

Also if i decide to take it oraly how can i use the chloroform to remove the caffiene,iam very sensitive to caffiene and i dont enjoy staying up all night.
Thank you again for your help.

[lifelong pain]

Nuke is right about the different Codeine stuctures. Codeine Phosphate, Codeine Sulfate and Codeine "whatever" is Codeine that is done to stabelize the Codeine. If Codeine freebase is taken orally, it will bind with some other "whatever" and could lose its pain killing properties. Dyhydrocodeine was popular in the 1960's as a cough remedy (as was Hydrocodone). WIth the strict drug laws in the US (every Opiate is a Schedule II controlle substance including pure Codeine Sulfate). So driug companies took advantage of the Schedule III classification of mixed compounds that contain Codeine, Dyhydrocodeine and Hydrocodone. Dyhydrocodeine is more like Codeine while Hydrocodone is more like Oxycodone. In fact Oxycodone is hydroxycodone while Hydrocodone is hydrocodone, a hydrogenated keytone of Codeine. See the Hydroxy and Hydro in these substances. By the way, Bush and his DEA are trying to get hydrocodone with APAP, Asprin and Ibuprofen rescheduled to Schedule II. The DEA will not be happy untill they can get all controlled substances moved to Schedule II. Then pain patients like me with have to get a written RX every month from my Doctor and there will be no refills allowed. For those not familar, there are five schedules for controlled substances in the US. Schedule I has no medical use (Heroin, MDMA), Schedule II has medical uses and is hightly addictive (Oxycodone, Methamphetamine, Methadone, Tuinal, Morphene), Schedule III less addictive (Tylenol w/Codeine, Vocodin, GHB), Shedule IV has moderate abuse potentail (Valium, Ambien, Meprobamate, Xanax) and Schedule V has a low potential for abuse (codeine cough medicine, Lomotil). Unfortuneately, the DEA has power over these schedules and they base their decision on social issues instad of sound medical science. So if Americans were getting high from Cow Crap, the DEA would try to Schedule it as a controlled substance. They have a conflict of interest and better start to realize that by making drugs more restictive, they ONLY hurt pain patients like myself. As long as people want to get high, they will find something that will do the job. It amazes me that the Bush administration will not intervene in controlling deaths from guns, tobacco and alcohol, but a few hundred people OD on a drug and they are ready to stop short of banning that drug. Trust me, I get more messed up from Xanax (schdule IV) than I do from Oxycontin (schedule II). When our President and Attorney General try to paint the DEA as brave heros protecting our kids from the drug cartels, let it be known that the DEA spends much of its resources busting Doctors and Pharmacist (thus ruinging their lives) who, in their draconian opinion, are over prescribing pain killers. My Doctor will rather prescribe Tylenol w/codeine and Valium for my pain , which together can cause some serious imparement, than Percocet. Why, because Percocet is a Schdule II controlled substance which is monitored by the DEA (and by some states like NY, Utah and Texas). Yes, the DEA has a job to do, but their so called "Drug Diversion" program is aimed at the diversion of pharmaceuticals, targets Doctors, Pharmacists and legitamate patients who are in pain. I should mention that I also am prescribed Adderall, an amphetamine by my Psyc Doctor and she WILL NOT write a new prescription until exactly 30 days goes by. SO if my Pharmacist accidently shorts me two or three pills, I'm SOL for a few days.

[doctor diesel]

Nuke, just a query on codeine CWE. I'm a bit concerned about it because the principle is one of codeine dissolving completely in cold water, but APAP remaining a solid, ready to be filtered off. That's fine, and I've done it a few times and ended up with a slightly cloudy fluid, making sure that after a night of standing in the fridge, any undue solids have settled out at the bottom. But if I dissolve Solpadol efervescent tablets in cold water (they're 30mg codeine/500mg APAP) what's left at the end of all the turbulence and gassing is a PERFECTLY crystal-clear fluid, containing both APAP and codeine. So why, in this case, does the APAP not solidify, because it's clearly in perfect solution?


Yours worriedly,

Diesel.

[doctor diesel]

Another one for Nuke. I've done a good CWE on a batch of solpadol tabs, but because these dissolving tabs always have shedloads of sodium in them, the juice tastes extra extra double shitt!! Plus that amount of sodium is enough to give cardiac arrest. Is there any way of getting the Sodium out of the brew, without evaporating, which presumably would destroy the codeine through heat? (Or would it?).

Diesel

[Nuke]

Are you sure its sodium? Ive seen alot of pills in my day but Ive never heard of sodium (Which i assume you mean sodium chloride) being used as a pill filler. If it is sodium chlride its completely harmless, table salt cant cause cardiac arrest, you might be thinking of potassium chloride.

[doctor diesel]

Are you sure its sodium? Ive seen alot of pills in my day but Ive never heard of sodium (Which i assume you mean sodium chloride) being used as a pill filler. If it is sodium chlride its completely harmless, table salt cant cause cardiac arrest, you might be thinking of potassium chloride.

Hi Nuke,

Yep, definitely sodium, shedloads of it. The final extraction takes like seawater, only much worse, with opiate bitterness as well. It's too disgusting to be viable to drink, so I've dropped that route. I only mentioned cardiac arrest by way of exaggeration, but regularly taking this much sodium would surely lead to hypertension.

Anyway, while I have your ear, is there a way to water-extract codeine that doesn't involve other chemicals (I can't get chemicals) but which will give a decent yield? For example, from the potential 512mg codeine phos that's in one of my 64-pill extractions, we're getting a nod that I subjectively evaluate at between 150 and 180mg. That's a shit-awful return, despite re-using the first bunch of goop. Do other people get such a bad CWE return?

This is the only way I can get effective pain treatment for my wife, and you can imagine the logistical problem of having to buy 2 boxes of 32 co-codamol tablets every day from the local pharmacies without interrogation!

Heroin or morphine would do the job very nicely, but there's no way on earth for me to get those.

Thanks,

Diesel.

[Endorph]

you do know that you really only need to put your mix in the fridge/freezer for a few minutes, right?
why waste all that time?

[doctor diesel]

you do know that you really only need to put your mix in the fridge/freezer for a few minutes, right?
why waste all that time?

I do stir it, refrigerate it and get a nice liquid/goop separation, which I draw off. I do that three times, then squeeze the goop in a double-layer muslin to get all the liquid out of it. I then refilter the drink, making sure there's no sediment or cloud, and down the hatch. All the while I keep everything at 5deg C or below.

But the yield is shit!!

Diesel

[kramorph]

Isnt it extremely sad that we have to resort to extracting the poison from widely available so called safe pharmaceuticals.Once upon a time their were no drug dealers + crime etc etc, coz these drugs were legal and freely available.

[slowpoke]

okay i have tried CWE many times and have had half assed results
almost always cloudy extractions do to maybe the fact i dont want to wait a year for the water to drip threw whatever im useing to filter
i have tried almost everything to filter coffee filters cotton materials etc BTW i found that silk or satan from some boxers seemed to work the best
so now ive read here that i should extract at least 2 - 3 times for best effect and to get the most yield
okay sounds sensable
now haveing read up on extractions for aout a year now i always get conflicting results on what to do as far as hot water
i have read that by useing hot water i am looseing codiene
so i aways did it in a baby food jar with a lidand always cold
well room temp till i put it in the freezer--constantly going back to shake it up abit
also i wouuld like to sa a coffee grinder makes the best powder for doing this procedeur
it makes the liquid like milk
problem is the filtering
no matter what i use it takes forever-cept with satan which takes most out but am still left with a slightly cloudy mix
now useing a funnel as ive read sounds good but takes a lifetime to filter as it clogs right away
reading that putting sand on top sounds like a very good idea but sand also absorbs liquid quite abit
and where do i get nice clean sand to do this
I guess the main thing im trying to get at is the hot water aspect and the filtering aspect
ive read alot and seems everyon uses cotton basicaly seeing as i have no patience ow long can i expect to wait
i know ive waited an hour and still it stays clogged uphaveing to kinda mix it around to get more to come threw the filter
I have yet to get a clear mix a i have read in here
also after doing it 2 or 3 tims --is this gonna take me a day or two to do to get a clear mix if so it seems kinda a waste of time even though i hate killing my liver
which is realy the main concern i think for most like me needing pain relief without killing ourselves
I realy do need to know about the hot water though cause in most cases i have read not to use hot water --that useing hot water at the begining and giveing it a bathe or utting in the fridge after is the old way and wrong
any replies would be appreciated
yas can all reach me at alibaba1967@hotmail.com
an if ayone has any other ways to extract from t 1s feel free to write
also any other extractions eg ephedrine from sinus meds etc feel free to write
peace out and thanx to any who respond
~~Slowpoke~~:D

[nick]

Slowpoke unless you've been very careful I wouldn't leave e mail address's on opiophile.Wait till you can pm.

[superman]

"an if ayone has any other ways to extract from t 1s feel free to write
also any other extractions eg ephedrine from sinus meds etc feel free to write"

codiene is so easy to extract. It is crucial that you let the solution sit (to settle) in the fridge for many hours, or better yet overnight, before filtering. start with single pre-wetted coffee filters. then pour through doubled-up pre-wetted coffee filters.

then boil it down to a smaller volume, re-filter once,
then boil it down to the volume required to dissolve your expected yeild of codiene, now leave it in the fridge for AT LEAST 24 hours. this is to allow the caffiene to precipitate
You could seed it with a caffiene crystal for shits+giggle but no need to do so


as for extracting ephedrine, i suggest you forget talking about meth chemistry related stuff on unsecure forums like this one unless you want to be in jail. there are forums for meth chemistry and this isn't one of them.

and as nick said, that emaill addy is a dangerous thing to be handing out to strangers+cops

[Buckshot]

Are you guys serious....Cloudy dont mean shit. Take one tylenol pill crush it and throw it in some cold water and you will notice that its far more cloudy than your extraction...causing me to strongly believe that you are not even close to the safe limit (LD-50) of 10 grams.

let it settle to the bottom of the glass...Use a clear glass to get a visual.

Then use a turkey baster to suck off the top layer of cloudy water...Then that is safe to drink. But if you really want filter that extract which wont clog a filter nearly as much.

Anyone tried the Acetaminophen antidote with T1's?