favorite hallucinogens?

[ryan5892]

what are you guys favorite hallucinagens, out of the few i have tried i think i enjoy LSD the most

[I-Nod]

Definitely some good ole Alice D... err LSD. Man, what good times...

Master of Mindgames, fuckin' around, balls to the wall phun stuff.

Only done shrooms a handful of times, so I can't honestly compare. And Salvia is just a mental-raping of your very existance, so that don't register on the charts. LSD here... my first chile is named Leyla Starr D**** after the namesake all time favorite. Last chile is Phoenix Oshea D**** after the lovely Pod :D

[Lu_cid]

DMT: its indigenousness and the veil is breath taking. If only I could get through it.:rolleyes:

[Cole Younger]

what are you guys favorite hallucinagens, out of the few i have tried i think i enjoy LSD the most


DMT when smoked, because of it's fairly short duration.

[Hiram]

L S D. No question about it.

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

I haven't done LSD or mushrooms in about 10 years but I definitely preferred LSD. Shrooms actually made me angry every time I took them. :confused::confused:

[CIIORNOTHING]

for me ketamine. Its the only drug I know that can totally fuck you up out of your mind and you can be back to normal 30 minutes later and then do it all over again.

[robotears]

for me ketamine. Its the only drug I know that can totally fuck you up out of your mind and you can be back to normal 30 minutes later and then do it all over again.

I agree. K definitly. When ever I do acid now, I get paranoid and anxious.
Isn't MDMA partially a spycadellic? If it is, I'd have to say E is my fav. E+K together... the best.

[OxyContinuously]

i like DPT personally; that and mescaline prepared from T.Peruvianis cacti are my 2 faves

[Thebane]

i like DPT personally; that and mescaline prepared from T.Peruvianis cacti are my 2 faves

If you don't mind me asking, how did you prepare the peruvian torch? Just eat the cactus tissue? Or did you extract the mescaline? (No need to go into details about extraction, my lab knowledge is far too little for me to want to mess around with chemicals.)


And as far as psychedelics go, I've only ever done lsd, which I found far too speedy and didn't really enjoy, although I'm sure that had a lot to with the setting. And salvia, which I've never really lost touch of reality on, so I can't really say.

[Hiram]

If you don't mind me asking, how did you prepare the peruvian torch? Just eat the cactus tissue? Or did you extract the mescaline? (No need to go into details about extraction, my lab knowledge is far too little for me to want to mess around with chemicals.)


And as far as psychedelics go, I've only ever done lsd, which I found far too speedy and didn't really enjoy, although I'm sure that had a lot to with the setting. And salvia, which I've never really lost touch of reality on, so I can't really say.


There is some good preparations on www.erowid.org If I recall yur supposed to stay away from the white inner flesh, because that is where the toxins are that make you vomit. Theres a pic of a native south american preparing peruvian or san pedro, I can't remember which. He most likely knows what he's doing.

[Nemesis1]

Hallucinogenes SWIM has tried:

LSD - the one with the most trippy effects and least bodyload, awful taste and other side effects!
LSA (seeds) - hardly any audiovisual effects, but a very emotional trip - a speed or heroin IV, ecstasy - nothing even comes close to the heaven of a good LSA trip, but there is nothing worse than the hell of a bad trip on LSA either, so it's a double-edged sword!
2C-I - Nice and mellow experience, you get cool visual effects while you're still able to function normally, the first time SWIM tried this one was at an amusement park :p
5-MeO-DiPT (aka Foxy) - pretty close to 2C-I, but less visual - SWIM tried this one for the first time at a "tropical paradise" themed bath house
Psilocybin (shrooms) - somewhere between LSD and LSA, I think, shrooms are pretty deep and not the trip of choice if SWIM just wants to have a fun, spaced out time
Bromo Dragonfly - a rather speedy trip, as stimulating as it is psychedelic if you ask SWIM

Hallucinogenes SWIM has tried, but never really got him to "break through":

Ketamine (tried it as an ecstasy coctail pill together with speed, foxy, MDMA and more, hard to tell what the ketamine part was!)
DMT (got some kind of strange buzz from smoking it, but that's all)

The hallucinogene SWIM will try this saturday: 2C-E

I'll probably have a nice time, but often when SWIM trips nowdays he finds himself wanting to go "home" (read: to the opioid high) instead... :rolleyes:

[clinton]

i always liked psilocybin over lsd,,,
is there even real lsd anymore? im sure i took some odd concotion that included rat poison,bug spray and some kind of stimulant that they told me was lsd.,.........

[Synack]

meh, I prefer aqua dots.

/end joke

[OxyContinuously]

If you don't mind me asking, how did you prepare the peruvian torch? Just eat the cactus tissue? Or did you extract the mescaline? (No need to go into details about extraction, my lab knowledge is far too little for me to want to mess around with chemicals.)


And as far as psychedelics go, I've only ever done lsd, which I found far too speedy and didn't really enjoy, although I'm sure that had a lot to with the setting. And salvia, which I've never really lost touch of reality on, so I can't really say.


hey thebane

pretty easy, brotha, no advanced chem shit or anything believe it or not...

first off, u can purchase T.peruvianis (sp?) cacti cutting off the net, just do a search, they're legal so no problem...usually they sell them by the "foot" 12 inches...a good rule of thumb for peruvianis is that anywhere from 8-12 inches of cactus will yield a full mescaline trip...Dry weight, just to be on the safe side for a trip but nothing ridiculous, I would recommend (dry weight of the cactus pieces) 15 - 25 grams or so...

preparation? easy as pie. take your cactus, and there are a couple ways to do this; I'll tell u what idid that worked well and was little to no hassle.

1) I cut the cactus (in my case, I used 20 grams of raw material, de spined first tho) into little chunks with a knife---no need to go crazy, just increase the surface area a tad to facilitate extraction of the mescaline..Make them about one inch thick "stars" (u'll see what I mean when u get the cactus; it has anywhere from 4 [very rare] to I think 6 or so "edges" and when you cut it [like u would a carrot or whatever] the little pieces look like stars.

2) take ur cactus stars and put them in a crock pot (or any pot that will not buckle and can stand a few hrs of simmering) and for the 20 grams, I added about a half gallon of fresh water, a half cup vinegar (supposedly helps w extraction, but not necessary if u dont l;ike vinegar; use the same amount of lime or lemon juice if u like ;-) and put this in the crock pot...

3) Now start heating it up. I heard that mescaline gets fucked up if u boil it, so be patient and simmer it...in other words, don't let it bubble or some mesc gets degraded. First simmer I did for about 2 hrs, give or take a half hhour....stir occasionally to ensure the cactus stars (which will have turned into green slime chunks by now, LOL) don't stick to the bottom of the pot, cuz if they do, bye bye crock pot!! those suckers never come off!!

4) You'll notice that ur water is evaporating, and that's fine. After the first simmer, add another 2 pints (32 oz, but not more than that) and re-simmer for about another hour and a half....

5) after the second simmer, u'll see the cactus stars are now green sludge and practically falling apart--that's good...

6) Now get a cheesecloth ready (dont take the shortcut w/ a cotton t-shirt, cheesecloths can be bought at any supermarket, like a dollar for five of them) and after the solution cooled a bit so u dont burn ur hand, pour the mix thru the cloth into another pot to catch the juice...

7) Squeeze the shit out of the cheesecloth where all the cactus gloop is just to make sure u got everything...

So by now u will have a double-simmered solution in the second pot, and u can throw away the cactus glops that u just squeezed, but obviously the liquid is what u want...U'll notice that it is a dark green; startlingly disgusting to look at, and taste it---if it is bitter, bitter, bitter, that;s a plus!

Okay, now take ur liquid, and u'll notice that there;s a shitload of it...u can chug it as a gallon but be forewarned--you will be VIOLENTLY ILL...

8) take this liquid, and start simmering it (yup, that'll make for a total of 3 simmer sessions, LOL) but heat it to JUST BELOW BOIL, and let the water evaporate off, but not too much, cuz the more that evaporates, the thicker and thus harder to drink it'll become; O usually simmer till it's around 24 ounces or so, give or take---again if u think ure comfortable with drinking more, and can't wait anymore, by all means, go ahead, but I would highly recomend boiling it down u know?

9) Okay, now u have 24 or so ounces of CONCENTRATED, and AWFUL bitter cactus tea...I drink tea anyway (like Earl grey and shit, not pod tea; I mean i drink that too, but for this project use Lipton, or two of ur favorite teabags!!) put the teabags, and some sugar (to ur taste) into the cactus solution while it is still hot....let the tea do its thing (remember not too much tea, b/c mesc. is a [phenethylamine] and tannins and caffeine can potentiate phens. So 2 teabags is fine...remember u want enough to mask the bitterness, but not caffeinate you; believe me you'll be speeding along quite nicely due to the mescaline ;-), then take and discard the teabags, stir and put in the fridge.

10) IMPORTANT to cool it off, i don't know why, but whenever I tried taking it warm, I barfed...but chilled was somehow more manageable! Chill it till it becomes nice and cold (like how u would enjoy a beer)

11) Consume. Remember though that an inherent property of mescaline is nausea, but here's a little trick. DO not slam the tea. Instead, sip it over a period of a half hour to 45 minutes. THis will greatly reduce the nausea, if not eliminate it completely (and that's saying something for mescaline!!)

12) sit back and hold on for the ride. If u are a newbie to mesc, I would say drink half the tea. If not, have it all, or if ure brave. Also, if u took half, and didnt feel shit for over an hour---that's completely normal as mesc takes a solid two (sometimes closer to 3 hours) to peak, so don't redose after 45 minutes like u would an opiate...cuz u'll be in for a surprise, so to speak.

13) Guesstimate on the content: 20 grams of raw cactus should process to around 300 to a half gram of mescaline (a threshold dose of mesc as the sulfate is around 200 or so mg, to give u a reference, 300 is considered a full trip, and 500 mg...shit you are the man, what else can Isay ;-)

****I hope this helped****

later
enjoy
PM me if u got any more questions

Oxy

[I-Nod]

^^^Nice fuggin' post Oxy!! Very nice, indeed.

Question to anyone who knows: Is Salvia becoming illegal in the US on Jan. 1st? When I was searching around for some kratom, one of the sites said to order now, cuz after Jan 1st it will be no more.

I probably already have a lifetimes supply... a smaaaall jar of 20x... but that would still suck.

[OxyContinuously]

^^^Nice fuggin' post Oxy!! Very nice, indeed.

Question to anyone who knows: Is Salvia becoming illegal in the US on Jan. 1st? When I was searching around for some kratom, one of the sites said to order now, cuz after Jan 1st it will be no more.

I probably already have a lifetimes supply... a smaaaall jar of 20x... but that would still suck.


Thanks, my dude!!!!!;):D;):D:D

Seriously, I'm real glad it was useful, cuz for real: it took me like 45 minutes to get together (i am by no means the worlds fastest typist, lol)


and salvia...hmm i just saw something about it recently...I think that it was looked at in what the faggot DEA calls "emergency scheduling" ----> this means that the geniuses at the dea think that salvia could have a high potential for abuse, so an emergency schedule puts it in legal limbo while they "study" it to determine whether it will indeed be controlled, or if they may release it out of the emergency scheduling....

you know what the sad part is tho? I dunno if u remember or are familiar with AMT (alpha-methyl-tryptamine) but anyway, this was a legal tryptamine for a real long time (since the ken kesey days;even before that, but he popularized it; him and the esteemed, genius, HIGHLY respected organic chemist and pharmacologist: Dr. Alexander T. Shulgin [the God of organic chemistry and phenethylamines/tryptamines, and seriously, the reason I decided to pursue chemistry and become an organic chemist---that's how much respect and admiration I have for him.]

so anyway, AMT was placed into "emergency scheduling" early in 2003...then after a few months in limbo, it was formally placed into Schedule I---same class as heroin, DMT, LSD and stuff; psilocybin shrooms are also in Schedule I...my point is that the dea is tricky becasue there has never been an instance where a substance was placed into emergency scheduling, and NOT eventually formally scheduled (usually Class I like DMT, etc. etc.)...so if they are indeed emergency scheduling salvia, it's gone, sorry to say...

****note---> salvia is either being placed in emergency "schedule I" so they can "study" it and yada yada, OR they are skipping that part and will proceed to make up reasons why it should be placed right into schedule I, making it illegal as all hell to possess, with no "honeymoon period" so to speak. These hypocrites make rules that this and that is illegal, based on what they think should be (and more importantly, if they schedule something, how much will their kickback be, stuff like that)...Think of the jazz era (early 1930's America) and "reefer madness" that's basically what they're doing---> it's a propaganda stunt to bastardize the substance, in this case, Salvinorin A and the Salvia plant, make up all this foolishness about how it does such and such, and that's their reasoning for scheduling it, meanwhile we both know that like with any illegal drug that was once perfectly legal, the DEA and the rest of the laughable "3 letter" organizations only make stuff illegal b/c they wanna make money on it too...They can hide a lot of things, but not their GREED.

I mean look at our amoral CIA, with respect to the stunt(s) they pulled in Vietnam with the heroin, obtaining it (from the same government that we were supposedly fighting against, or so the story goes) and making it plentifully available to the men in the field; addicting their own GI's to make a quick buck....In other words, the CIA is rumored to be behind the large influx of pure dope in Vietnam...Duckfeet, am I on point here, brotha??, help me out cause i know you were there...

it is very disappointing, but not surprising...I mean look at our DEA, CIA, and all that...A lot of rednecks, slack-jaws, a couple nerds to keep up appearance, and whatever other agenda they make up to distract the (sometimes astute but at other times incredibly DUMB) American public...

wow, I am ranting and raving all over the place today, LOLLL (in a good way, just tryin to explain myself is all ;-)

so allow me to get off the soapbox, and I-nod, I bet you're sorry as fuck you asked, the question!!!! (joking around ;-)

peace
take care
respect

oxy

[OxyContinuously]

Hallucinogenes SWIM has tried:

LSD - the one with the most trippy effects and least bodyload, awful taste and other side effects!
LSA (seeds) - hardly any audiovisual effects, but a very emotional trip - a speed or heroin IV, ecstasy - nothing even comes close to the heaven of a good LSA trip, but there is nothing worse than the hell of a bad trip on LSA either, so it's a double-edged sword!
2C-I - Nice and mellow experience, you get cool visual effects while you're still able to function normally, the first time SWIM tried this one was at an amusement park :p
5-MeO-DiPT (aka Foxy) - pretty close to 2C-I, but less visual - SWIM tried this one for the first time at a "tropical paradise" themed bath house
Psilocybin (shrooms) - somewhere between LSD and LSA, I think, shrooms are pretty deep and not the trip of choice if SWIM just wants to have a fun, spaced out time
Bromo Dragonfly - a rather speedy trip, as stimulating as it is psychedelic if you ask SWIM

Hallucinogenes SWIM has tried, but never really got him to "break through":

Ketamine (tried it as an ecstasy coctail pill together with speed, foxy, MDMA and more, hard to tell what the ketamine part was!)
DMT (got some kind of strange buzz from smoking it, but that's all)

The hallucinogene SWIM will try this saturday: 2C-E

I'll probably have a nice time, but often when SWIM trips nowdays he finds himself wanting to go "home" (read: to the opioid high) instead... :rolleyes:

hey bro, just a friendly word of advice from somebody w/ exp. with 2-CE---> please be careful and keep in mind that the dose response curve is steeper than Mt.Everest so to speak...it can be a great and useful trip, OR it can turn into a nightmare. if this is ur 1st time, I would say (since u seem to have exp. with psychedelics in general) try a *weighed* dose of 15 mg...also 2CE is subtle taking a bit to reach peak, not as quick as acid, for example, it's one of those where u do it, an hour later u say "shit i don't feel it yet" then u get up to smoke a cig, or take out the trash, and BAM!!! u're tripping BALLS ;-)

so start small, just cause 2CE is a very heavy carbon phenethylamine (heavy in terms of ur subjective trip and its insights/revelations, not heavy in as how much the powder weighs, lol) and creeps up on you slowly...

very enjoyable though---> one of those trips where you come back and have definitely "learned" stuff about the true nature of things; a very philosophical, and metaphysical trip, bringing you to the depths of not only ur subconscious mind (your id, as our friend Freud would say) but more importantly, your *pre-conscious*...You'll find that while under the influence of 2CE, everything around us consists of nothing more than intention, as energy or otherwise....you'll see; it's like a good movie, I'm not going to keep talking and spoil the ending 4 u, so to speak!!

take care and enjoy
peace
later
oxy

[Hiram]

I love 2C-e. Take Oxy's advice on being careful with the dosage. Do not eyeball. Buy a powder scale. The onset is definitely very slow, like 2 hours and it continues to creep up. It is very easy to have an "Oh my god, I've done it this time" type trip on this stuff, like just being off 5 mgs. I recommend a good starting dose between 15-18mg's to have a good trip and get a feel for it. 10-12 mgs is a good social feel and everything to me had an orange or greenish hue to it, unlike LSD with the purple/blue hue.

[OxyContinuously]

I love 2C-e. Take Oxy's advice on being careful with the dosage. Do not eyeball. Buy a powder scale. The onset is definitely very slow, like 2 hours and it continues to creep up. It is very easy to have an "Oh my god, I've done it this time" type trip on this stuff, like just being off 5 mgs. I recommend a good starting dose between 15-18mg's to have a good trip and get a feel for it. 10-12 mgs is a good social feel and everything to me had an orange or greenish hue to it, unlike LSD with the purple/blue hue.

You know it, Hiram!!

To add to what you said, my first dosage, first time I ever tried it, I used 10 milligrams. (I had read somewhere that this was a sub-psychedelic dose and a good intro) Well, it sure WAS psychedelic....let me clarify; not a mind blowing 5 geltab acidtype psychedelic, but even at 10migs, it's power and potential was duly noted...

Hiram, funny story real quick: So the 10mg wasthe first time. Boy oh boy, bro, did I make a stupid mistake the second time. I assumed that since 10mg was quite tolerable and actually pretty enjoyable, that increasing it or even doubling it would be an okay idea....Well it wasn't :-( What i did [foolishly] was instead of 15 or even 18, I weighed out 24mgs, and shit, I thought Iwas "insane" forever---> you know; the old psychedelic trap where u feel stuck in your own head with no hope of EVER re-emerging a normal, fucntional human being...well, functional in our analog society--> I would "function," but would be part of time, the fourth dimension, yet oddly enough parallel to my exact "real life" reality....Anyway...

If you go by the "Shulgin scale" I won't say that I was ++++ (the highest level and indicates a mystical, earth-shattering religious experience) but I was easily a +++, just bordering on the "epiphanies, revelations and A-Ha!" stage, but not quite...Quite honestly, I bugged tits...I mean I was out of it, gone; and to top it off, I had this feeling of impending doom (psychic doom, physically I was fine and had a comfortable body buzz going, but in my head--whole other story)

But I won't bore u with the details of the trip itself; suffice it to say I was out there, and happy as a pig in you-know-what when it was wearing down (some 9 hours later) and I could begin to form RATIONAL thoughts again...

What I will say, however is that for a week after, i thought, no I was convinced that synchronicities existed everywhere and in everything...and as if that is not bad enough, I believed with my essence that those synchronicities were only for me...like the universe's way of communicating with me, cosmically, sharing its triumphs, woes, light and dark...Yeah, man that scared me a little bit, because the only other psychedelic-type drug that produced such a strong sense of synchronicity--extremely EGO-CENTRIC synchronicity--was the almighty Ketamine hydrochloride...

Hiram, even writing this to describe it to you, i can almost get that "feeling" I had whilst tripping...(not quite though; I guess one could say there is a strong body-memory associated with 2CE??)

anyways, that's what happened to me....after that I was so happy to be sober bro ;-)

later
peace
oxy

[Thebane]

Wow man, thanks a lot oxy. That's a lot more than I had hoped for. I'm really interested in trying mescaline (peruvian torch since I don't have connections to get the shit by itself) I'll be sure to follow that guide when I get around to it, best one I've seen on the internet.

On another note, is 2-ce illegal? Where do you guys get this stuff? Drug-dealers, internet sources, making it chemically?

[Hiram]

Oxy: I tried 25mgs with the same results that you described....lol I am comfortable with between 15-18mgs. I didn't have a bad trip at the 25mg level, but it's not something that I'm looking at repeating ever again. At that level it kicked in a fight or flight type response in me, like an adrenaline release for 4-5 hours. I am experienced with psychedelics, so I knew to just ride it out and hope that wasn't the final dose that made me lose the couple of marbels that I have remaining. I couldve done without the physical discomfort like my muscles and joints being too tight, but that could have been from me sitting in the same position for too long.

A person with very little psychedelic experience is likely to have a bad trip over 20mgs. Heed the warning and like I said, not the stuff that you want to try to eyeball the dosage. I haven't tripped on it since that last experience about a year ago. It definitely grabbed me by the poo poo. Fun chemical, just do the research before the first journey. Eating it is the way to go, I'd stay away from snorting personally.

[Hiram]

On another note, is 2-ce illegal? Where do you guys get this stuff? Drug-dealers, internet sources, making it chemically?

It now falls under the "possible analog" category as far as legality goes. There are still a few internet sources out there, they are starting to get scarce though.

[OxyContinuously]

<snip>Wow man, thanks a lot oxy.</snip>

no prob bro, glad it helped you out ;-)

<snip>A person with very little psychedelic experience is likely to have a bad trip over 20mgs. Heed the warning and like I said, not the stuff that you want to try to eyeball the dosage.</snip>

u are quite right, Hiram...and i couldn't imagine snorting it!!

[Hammilton]

Actually the DEA has emergency scheduled a substance and released it back out.

That substance was TFMPP.

I'd have to say my favorite is 4-hydroxy-Diisopropyltryptamine.

[Nemesis1]

hey bro, just a friendly word of advice from somebody w/ exp. with 2-CE---> please be careful and keep in mind that the dose response curve is steeper than Mt.Everest so to speak...it can be a great and useful trip, OR it can turn into a nightmare. if this is ur 1st time, I would say (since u seem to have exp. with psychedelics in general) try a *weighed* dose of 15 mg...also 2CE is subtle taking a bit to reach peak, not as quick as acid, for example, it's one of those where u do it, an hour later u say "shit i don't feel it yet" then u get up to smoke a cig, or take out the trash, and BAM!!! u're tripping BALLS ;-)

so start small, just cause 2CE is a very heavy carbon phenethylamine (heavy in terms of ur subjective trip and its insights/revelations, not heavy in as how much the powder weighs, lol) and creeps up on you slowly...

very enjoyable though---> one of those trips where you come back and have definitely "learned" stuff about the true nature of things; a very philosophical, and metaphysical trip, bringing you to the depths of not only ur subconscious mind (your id, as our friend Freud would say) but more importantly, your *pre-conscious*...You'll find that while under the influence of 2CE, everything around us consists of nothing more than intention, as energy or otherwise....you'll see; it's like a good movie, I'm not going to keep talking and spoil the ending 4 u, so to speak!!

take care and enjoy
peace
later
oxyHmm, SWIM took at least 20mg (eyeballed), but actually it wasn't so crazy... SWIM is for some reason very resistant to the psychedelic effects of hallucinogens... The coming up was a little tense and unpleasant, but as soon as the peak was reached everything was fine... No deep or spirutal experiences though, just a nice trip... Too bad the comedown was very hard on SWIM, as much as he is resistant to psychedelic effects he is over-sensitive to stimulant effects (especiall the side effects!)... But luckily, SWIM only feel burned out when he come down from a psychedelic stimulant... When he comes down from speed his body is burned out and so is his mind, but his mind isn't only burned out, it's depressed at the same time as well... So SWIM has stayed away from speed since he tried it IV for the first and maybe last time a year and a half ago...

Anyway, SWIM tripped with his partner and a friend, both of them took the same dose and they were probably more "out of it" than SWIM... Not more tripped, but other people seem to have less control during psychedelic experiences... Anyway, everybody liked the trip and don't mind doing it again...

[existential_apathy]

I have done LSA, LSD, amanita muscaria, mescaline, salvia divinorum, ayahuasca, psilocybin, nitrous, marijuana, and DXM. In my younger and more foolish years I also experimented with Benadrly and Dramamine. (I'd strongly recommend against trying them.)

My all time favorite is salvia divinorum done sublingually. The trip lasts for around an hour and a half and has a great variability. Every trip is different and special. It has educated me the most out of all of the drugs that I have listed above. It opens your subconscious up for exploring and forces you to be very open to yourself. I prefer sublingual salvia over smoking salvia for it's much longer duration and it's "fuller" effects. Salvia is also great for mixing with LSA and shrooms. They definitely step it up a level.

Ayahuasca/DMT is the best in terms of sheer intensity. It produces a huge "wow" factor. A good ayahuasca trip will change you for life.

Shrooms are also extremely fun. I prefer shrooms over LSD.

[bronyraur]

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