OxyContin + Baclofen (or Quinine) ?

[JoyDivision]

Hey,

With my chronic pain comes really bad muscle spasms. I normally use 2.5mg to 10mg of Diazepam with my OxyContin CR 3 x 20mg.

I would like to know if anyone has used Baclofen before? Or Quinine in combination with OxyContin?
I'm especially interested in the Baclofen as my Doctor gave me some today. They come in 10mg and 25mg. So I got the 25mg ones. I got 100 x 25mg of them. I took some Oxy about half an hour before I tried the Baclofen so to be safe and to start off I split a Baclofen in half (which makes it roughly 12.5mg) and took it.

I was asking about muscle relaxants to my Doctor last visit. I've tried Norgesic (Orphenadrine Citrate) before but it made me really sick and gave me really bad headaches. There's no Soma in Australia or Cyclobenzaprine. There's only really Diazepam, Baclofen & Quinine, maybe some others (I'd need a recent copy of MIMS to look them up).

I read up on Baclofen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baclofen and what caught my eye about them was this part: "Historically Baclofen was designed to be a drug for epilepsy in the 1920’s, and was derived from diazepam (Valium©). " More info:
"Baclofen (brand names Kemstro® and Lioresal®) is a derivative of gamma-aminobutyric acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-aminobutyric_acid), and is an agonist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agonist) specific to mammalian but not fruit fly (Drosophila) GABAB receptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA_B_receptor)[1] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11168554&query_hl=9)[2] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12692303&query_hl=1). It is used for the treatment of spastic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasticity) movement, especially in instances of spinal cord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_cord) injury and in multiple sclerosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis). Its beneficial effects result from actions at spinal and supraspinal sites."

It apparently works on GABA like Diazepam (and other benzos) and like Kava Kava aswell.

The bottle I got kind of looks like a valium bottle and the pills look almost exactly the same, they are even made by the same generic makers who make Antenex here (generic diazepam) The pills look very much like white scored generic 2mg diazepams but a little bigger, with a big G probably for generic on one side and BN a score line and 25. Interesting because generic Diazepam has DM a score line and a 2 or a 5. Some 5mg valiums are white but mainly yellow. No 10mg blue diazepam in Australia (that I know of). I could probably flog them off to people as Valiums :-). Hehe. As if! I've only ever sold drugs to myself.

This drug along with diazepam and perhaps even quinine. Would probably be very helpful for opiate addicts either trying to kick their habit. Or if supply is dry or you just want to stop for a little bit to get your tolerance down.

I don't know why anyone trying to quit heroin, oxy or morphine or any drugs of a similar strength would try and quit totally cold turkey without any other drugs or even supplements. I believe that someone is more likely to relapse if they go cold turkey.

You have to be weaned off the stuff. Or replace it with something else. Not just go cold turkey. That's suicidal and sadistic! Nothing wrong with using only psychologically addictive substances to help you get off phsyically and psychologically addictive substances. I believe you can die from withdrawl if you have a full on drinking problem. Possibly with other stuff too.

What's wrong with using slow release morphine tablet (if you can get them) or lower scheduled combination narcotics containing codeine / tramadol / propoxphene to try and quit? Along with one of these for muscle spasms and cramps: Diazepam, Baclofen, Quinine, Cyclobenzaprine, Soma, Orphenadrine Citrate, etc? And or something sedating like a low dose tricyclic (I have no idea how that would go with some opiates though). I use 10-30mg of Endep (Amitryptyline) even if I've used OxyContin not long before to help me sleep. I wake up with less pain in the morning when using that stuff. Hell even OTC or supermarket / store strength drugs (depending on what country you live in) i.e. vitamins like Calcium / Magnesium and Vitamin B6. Dramamine (OTC at pharmacies in my country). Non-narcotic anagelsics / NSAIDs: Paracetamol (Aceteminophen) / Ibuprofen / Aspirin / Naproxen Sodium. Also, something I don't think anyone quitting or without any gear should go without: Loperamide! A must have for those bowels which are going to lossen up! :-) Any other ideas?

In trainspotting. When the dude played by Ewan McGreggor is quitting H he has a list of heaps of stuff to help him quit (including some of the above). Not sure how effective they would be and if they are based on real H addicts trying to quit:

RENTON (v.o) Relinquishing junk. Stage One: preparation. For this you will need: one room which you will not leave; one mattress; tomato soup, ten tins of; mushroom soup, eight tins of, for consumption cold; ice cream, vanilla, one large tub of; Magnesia, Milk of, one bottle; paracetamol; mouth wash; vitamins; mineral water; Lucozade; pornography; one bucket for urine, one for feces, and one for vomitus; one television; and one bottle of Valium, which I have already procured, from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way, also a drug addict.Here's the part where they talk about the shit they use, buy or steal from doctors, old folks, etc:

RENTON (v.o) Swanney taught us to adore and respect the National Health Service, for it was the source of much of our gear. We stole drugs, we stole prescriptions, or bought them, sold them, swapped them, forged them, photocopied them or traded them with cancer victims, alcoholics, old age pensioners, AIDS patients, epileptics and bored housewives. We took morphine, diamorphine, cyclozine, codeine, temazepam, nitrezepam, phenobarbitone, sodium amytal dextropropoxyphene, methadone, nalbuphine, pethidine, pentazocine, buprenorphine, dextromoramide chlormethiazole. The streets are awash with drugs that you can have for unhappiness and pain, and we took them all. Fuck it, we would have injected Vitamin C if only they'd made it illegal.

[JoyDivision]

On this page:
How Does the Neurobiology of Drug Addiction Inform Treatment Choices, Social Policy and Criminal Justice?
http://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_sfn1.shtml

I found this in it: " There are three general strategies for getting a person to stop using drugs: agonist maintenance -- with or without concomitant psychotherapy, and newer anti-craving drugs. These anti-craving drugs reduce relapse, reduce desire and are not agonist substitutes -- they include such drugs as naltrexone, acamprosate, bupropion, propranolol, modafinil, baclofen, GVG, and topiramate. These drugs reduce the reports of craving and decrease activation in the brain regions that are active during drug craving."

[katomic]

I fucking love that film personal experance Baclofen works if not for you buy soma from overseas not shour how it goes with benzos tho?
anyone?

[exitwound]

Fascinating! I had no idea that baclofen acted on GABA and was chemically similar to Diazepam.

[devilsdrug]

shit now i gotta add baclofen to my medicene cabinet . ive easy free access to at least a couple hundred will try soon on the come down from these 10mg. gel patches same people as patches dah??

[JoyDivision]

Baclofen isn't too bad. It's not addictive at all. It's good taken with Oxycontin or 65mg to 130mg of Propoxyphene hcl. it certainly really helps with muscle spasms / pains. Would really recommend it as any withdrawl tool.

[theWhiteLadyLovesYouMore]

Hey,

With my chronic pain comes really bad muscle spasms. I normally use 2.5mg to 10mg of Diazepam with my OxyContin CR 3 x 20mg.

I would like to know if anyone has used Baclofen before? Or Quinine in combination with OxyContin?
I'm especially interested in the Baclofen as my Doctor gave me some today. They come in 10mg and 25mg. So I got the 25mg ones. I got 100 x 25mg of them. I took some Oxy about half an hour before I tried the Baclofen so to be safe and to start off I split a Baclofen in half (which makes it roughly 12.5mg) and took it.

I was asking about muscle relaxants to my Doctor last visit. I've tried Norgesic (Orphenadrine Citrate) before but it made me really sick and gave me really bad headaches. There's no Soma in Australia or Cyclobenzaprine. There's only really Diazepam, Baclofen & Quinine, maybe some others (I'd need a recent copy of MIMS to look them up).

I read up on Baclofen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baclofen and what caught my eye about them was this part: "Historically Baclofen was designed to be a drug for epilepsy in the 1920’s, and was derived from diazepam (Valium©). " More info:
"Baclofen (brand names Kemstro® and Lioresal®) is a derivative of gamma-aminobutyric acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-aminobutyric_acid), and is an agonist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agonist) specific to mammalian but not fruit fly (Drosophila) GABAB receptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA_B_receptor)[1] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11168554&query_hl=9)[2] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12692303&query_hl=1). It is used for the treatment of spastic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasticity) movement, especially in instances of spinal cord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_cord) injury and in multiple sclerosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis). Its beneficial effects result from actions at spinal and supraspinal sites."

It apparently works on GABA like Diazepam (and other benzos) and like Kava Kava aswell.

The bottle I got kind of looks like a valium bottle and the pills look almost exactly the same, they are even made by the same generic makers who make Antenex here (generic diazepam) The pills look very much like white scored generic 2mg diazepams but a little bigger, with a big G probably for generic on one side and BN a score line and 25. Interesting because generic Diazepam has DM a score line and a 2 or a 5. Some 5mg valiums are white but mainly yellow. No 10mg blue diazepam in Australia (that I know of). I could probably flog them off to people as Valiums :-). Hehe. As if! I've only ever sold drugs to myself.

This drug along with diazepam and perhaps even quinine. Would probably be very helpful for opiate addicts either trying to kick their habit. Or if supply is dry or you just want to stop for a little bit to get your tolerance down.

I don't know why anyone trying to quit heroin, oxy or morphine or any drugs of a similar strength would try and quit totally cold turkey without any other drugs or even supplements. I believe that someone is more likely to relapse if they go cold turkey.

You have to be weaned off the stuff. Or replace it with something else. Not just go cold turkey. That's suicidal and sadistic! Nothing wrong with using only psychologically addictive substances to help you get off phsyically and psychologically addictive substances. I believe you can die from withdrawl if you have a full on drinking problem. Possibly with other stuff too.

What's wrong with using slow release morphine tablet (if you can get them) or lower scheduled combination narcotics containing codeine / tramadol / propoxphene to try and quit? Along with one of these for muscle spasms and cramps: Diazepam, Baclofen, Quinine, Cyclobenzaprine, Soma, Orphenadrine Citrate, etc? And or something sedating like a low dose tricyclic (I have no idea how that would go with some opiates though). I use 10-30mg of Endep (Amitryptyline) even if I've used OxyContin not long before to help me sleep. I wake up with less pain in the morning when using that stuff. Hell even OTC or supermarket / store strength drugs (depending on what country you live in) i.e. vitamins like Calcium / Magnesium and Vitamin B6. Dramamine (OTC at pharmacies in my country). Non-narcotic anagelsics / NSAIDs: Paracetamol (Aceteminophen) / Ibuprofen / Aspirin / Naproxen Sodium. Also, something I don't think anyone quitting or without any gear should go without: Loperamide! A must have for those bowels which are going to lossen up! :-) Any other ideas?

In trainspotting. When the dude played by Ewan McGreggor is quitting H he has a list of heaps of stuff to help him quit (including some of the above). Not sure how effective they would be and if they are based on real H addicts trying to quit:


RENTON (v.o)Relinquishing junk. Stage One: preparation. For this you will need: one room which you will not leave; one mattress; tomato soup, ten tins of; mushroom soup, eight tins of, for consumption cold; ice cream, vanilla, one large tub of; Magnesia, Milk of, one bottle; paracetamol; mouth wash; vitamins; mineral water; Lucozade; pornography; one bucket for urine, one for feces, and one for vomitus; one television; and one bottle of Valium, which I have already procured, from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way, also a drug addict.Here's the part where they talk about the shit they use, buy or steal from doctors, old folks, etc:


RENTON (v.o)Swanney taught us to adore and respect the National Health Service, for it was the source of much of our gear. We stole drugs, we stole prescriptions, or bought them, sold them, swapped them, forged them, photocopied them or traded them with cancer victims, alcoholics, old age pensioners, AIDS patients, epileptics and bored housewives. We took morphine, diamorphine, cyclozine, codeine, temazepam, nitrezepam, phenobarbitone, sodium amytal dextropropoxyphene, methadone, nalbuphine, pethidine, pentazocine, buprenorphine, dextromoramide chlormethiazole. The streets are awash with drugs that you can have for unhappiness and pain, and we took them all. Fuck it, we would have injected Vitamin C if only they'd made it illegal.
quanine is allright for leg cramps. certainly not going to do you that much if that is all you are taking for WD's unless you get some serious cramps in your legs. i myself do not get very bad cramps anywhere even when you shootin up for 30 days in a row.

[bmoreblaster]

baclofen for me is very helfull for withdrawls. it gets rid of the rls and and lets u sleep it also helps alot with cravings. for me it did wonders for my back spasms. highly reccomend in combo with other things to get through withdrawls

[Chipper]

<snip> In trainspotting. When the dude played by Ewan McGreggor is quitting H he has a list of heaps of stuff to help him quit (including some of the above). Not sure how effective they would be and if they are based on real H addicts trying to quit:

RENTON (v.o)Relinquishing junk. Stage One: preparation. For this you will need: one room which you will not leave; one mattress; tomato soup, ten tins of; mushroom soup, eight tins of, for consumption cold; ice cream, vanilla, one large tub of; Magnesia, Milk of, one bottle; paracetamol; mouth wash; vitamins; mineral water; Lucozade; pornography; one bucket for urine, one for feces, and one for vomitus; one television; and one bottle of Valium, which I have already procured, from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way, also a drug addict.Here's the part where they talk about the shit they use, buy or steal from doctors, old folks, etc:

RENTON (v.o)Swanney taught us to adore and respect the National Health Service, for it was the source of much of our gear. We stole drugs, we stole prescriptions, or bought them, sold them, swapped them, forged them, photocopied them or traded them with cancer victims, alcoholics, old age pensioners, AIDS patients, epileptics and bored housewives. We took morphine, diamorphine, cyclozine, codeine, temazepam, nitrezepam, phenobarbitone, sodium amytal dextropropoxyphene, methadone, nalbuphine, pethidine, pentazocine, buprenorphine, dextromoramide chlormethiazole. The streets are awash with drugs that you can have for unhappiness and pain, and we took them all. Fuck it, we would have injected Vitamin C if only they'd made it illegal.

Bump. Some Opio-nostalgia - I watch the "Who's Online" and saw someone reading this thread. Good Movie, as is the dude's handle. Besides, I've been prescribed Baclofen so it caught my eye.
*

[EleusisII]

Baclofen is good shit, as long as you take the recommended dosage, and tripple that. ;)

(As with all drugs, really)

The interesting part is, that by itself, Baclofen is just the addiction-waeary physicians alternative to valium. But once inside your body, your liver, being up to no good as always, turns it into GBL: Well known daterape drug, and provider of good times!

[dharma bum]

Baclofen isn't too bad. It's not addictive at all. .

Read the full wiki article, it goes on to say:::
Discontinuation of baclofen can be associated with a withdrawal syndrome which resembles benzodiazepine withdrawal (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_withdrawal) and alcohol withdrawal (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal). Withdrawal symptoms (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Withdrawal_symptoms) are more likely if baclofen is used for long periods of time (more than a couple of months) and can occur from low or high doses. The severity of baclofen withdrawal depends on the rate at which baclofen is discontinued. Thus to minimise baclofen withdrawal symptoms the dose should be tapered down slowly when discontinuing baclofen therapy. Abrupt withdrawal is most likely to result in severe withdrawal symptoms. Acute withdrawal symptoms can be stopped by recommencing baclofen.[14] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-dawbw-13)

Suprised the hell outta me^^^^^^^
Hmmm, that GBL comment has got me thinking. How hard is it to score these things.
Yeah I got hyped for a sec. I thought Devil's Drug was making an appearance.

[Jose]

I have heard the WD fr Baclofen REALLY stink. Like Tramadol--itchy blood. I tired it once and it was nice with OXY. It seem to last longer than a typical bennie. It reminded me of the first time I took Gabapentin.

[The Paregoric Man]

The interesting part is, that by itself, Baclofen is just the addiction-waeary physicians alternative to valium. But once inside your body, your liver, being up to no good as always, turns it into GBL: Well known daterape drug, and provider of good times!

Baclofen does not metabolize into GBL, where did you read this? If you mean its subjectively similar I'd have to say no, I've used both extensively and baclofen doesn't come near GHB/GBL.

Baclofen is most similar to phenibut, which more US peeps might be familiar with since its sold freely as a dietary supplement. It is surely addictive though, physically. Don't take it non-stop for months without a taper afterward.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Baclofen does not metabolize into GBL, where did you read this? If you mean its subjectively similar I'd have to say no, I've used both extensively and baclofen doesn't come near GHB/GBL.

Baclofen is most similar to phenibut, which more US peeps might be familiar with since its sold freely as a dietary supplement. It is surely addictive though, physically. Don't take it non-stop for months without a taper afterward.

WRONG AGAIN P.MAN .....(sighs)

Baclofen produces its effect via modulating the GABAB receptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABAb_receptor), similar to the drug GHB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid) which also has the same mechanism of action and also similar effects. ....



???:confused:

[EleusisII]

I don't remember the exact reference for Baclofen metabolizing into GHB/GBL, so there's a chance I might be wrong on that. Baclofen is very close to GHB and GBL (Which really is a GHB prodrug), and as GnD said, acts on the very same receptors. Many GHB antagonists work on Baclofen as well, so physiologically speaking the two are very closely related. As for the relative strength of Baclofen:

The rank-order potency was as follows: diazepam = baclofen > γ-butyrolactone (GBL) > 1,4-butanediol (1,4-BDL) = GHB.
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/308/1/182.full

All this has gotten me inspired! Gonna run out and get some Baclofen, dose, and report back later!

What dosage does anybody with Baclofen experience recommend? Which dosage did you find to be pleasurable?

[Papa Verine]

Damn it!!! Where the fuck did I see a bottle of Baclofen? It wasn't that long ago...

[DCBA]

For me baclofen has no mental symptoms at all, it only relaxes the muscles for me but no mental effects like benzodiazepines have.

[The Paregoric Man]

WRONG AGAIN P.MAN .....(sighs)

Baclofen produces its effect via modulating the GABAB receptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABAb_receptor), similar to the drug GHB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid) which also has the same mechanism of action and also similar effects. ....



???:confused:

Baclofen is only a GABA B agonist, GBL/GHB is an agonist of both GABA A/B and also the GHB receptor. They are similar only in a superficial sense, in actual use they are very dissimilar. For one thing you can actually take enough GHB to pass out cold, can't do that with baclofen.

Baclofen along with phenibut has a plateau of effect, a point beyond which taking more will not increase the effects. The best way I know to describe both is a kind of time released valium, you never feel like the sedation is going to overpower you. The come up time is also long, at least an hour before you're feeling it. Also it lasts a LONG time you will feel it at least 24 hours post dosing.

GBL/GHB has no plateau of effect, you can easily take enough to pass out cold. Its more euphoric and energetic then baclofen, baclofen doesn't even hold a candle to GHB in this respect. The come up time is minutes and it lasts around 4 hours before effects are no longer felt.

Saying baclofen and GHB have the same mechanism of action and also similar effects, same as saying codeine and fentanyl do.



What dosage does anybody with Baclofen experience recommend? Which dosage did you find to be pleasurable?

Ok starting from 0 with no GABA agonist tolerance I found 20-40mg of baclofen pretty nice, sort of a mild pseudo-buzz feeling like one has had a couple beers. I'd start from there and see how the combo goes.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Baclofen is only a GABA B agonist, GBL/GHB is an agonist of both GABA A/B and also the GHB receptor. They are similar only in a superficial sense, in actual use they are very dissimilar. For one thing you can actually take enough GHB to pass out cold, can't do that with baclofen.

Baclofen along with phenibut has a plateau of effect, a point beyond which taking more will not increase the effects. The best way I know to describe both is a kind of time released valium, you never feel like the sedation is going to overpower you. The come up time is also long, at least an hour before you're feeling it. Also it lasts a LONG time you will feel it at least 24 hours post dosing.

GBL/GHB has no plateau of effect, you can easily take enough to pass out cold. Its more euphoric and energetic then baclofen, baclofen doesn't even hold a candle to GHB in this respect. The come up time is minutes and it lasts around 4 hours before effects are no longer felt.

Saying baclofen and GHB have the same mechanism of action and also similar effects, same as saying codeine and fentanyl do.



Ok starting from 0 with no GABA agonist tolerance I found 20-40mg of baclofen pretty nice, sort of a mild pseudo-buzz feeling like one has had a couple beers. I'd start from there and see how the combo goes.

WRONG AGAIN P.MAN (sorry could resist)
ah the MAYO CLINIC ACTUALLY SAID THAT- NOT ME
so may take it up with their docs
BUT
please don't use you above bizarre description- time released VALIUM??:confused:

PERSONAL
I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT BACLOFEN, GHB/GHL
there are all kind of nasty drugs
In reality tough GHB has the highest dose /response curve of any drug I've know, yes can easily blackout thus making for a plateau effect all on it own.

AND please no need to explain GHB ,I think that what you were trying to do?:confused:

ALL I know about GHB then GBL is that SWIM and best friend made MAD MONEY in the production of said. Back in the day before it was scheduled.
It a bad ass drug but hey I won't burst your little bubble and tell you how its really produced. Changes are you have never really had the *real* thing :rolleyes:

[Paregoric Kid]

I swear I've seen a bottle of this somewhere too. hmmm
anyways, its not exactly like benzos and kava. those are GABA a positive allosteric modulators (sort of like an agonist). baclofen is more like GHB and phenibut which are GABA b agonists.

[EleusisII]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU GUYS!!!

Yes, 40mg provided a very nice dose... But more importantly: I DID NOT FEEL ANY REAL NEED OR URGE TO GET HIGH ALL DAY!!!
I took some morphine at noonish-one today, and normally I would taken at least one more dose, probably two more, untill now.

Going to dose up again now, though I don't really feel any crazy need to. Could prob go to sleep instead if that's what I wanted. COuld Baclofen be the answer to my tolerance problems?!?

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

WHY YES YES EaSYILY SWITCH FROM OPIATE ADDICT TO A BACLOFEN ADDICT

YOU MUST THINK OF COOL NAME caUSe baclofen ADDICT is just silly to say ,:)
NAMES ANYONE??? LoadaFEN -CLOADOFEN -FINE O FEN
proper thought is needed

but seriously may downregulated the gaba receptors= decresing desire, not sure if direct colleration could be made to decreased tolerance, but decrease dosing= lower tolerance-------eventually

HOW MUCH AND HOW DID YOU DOSE MORPHINE , STUfF DOES HAVE QUITE THE LEGS!!!
I Should BE IN WDS RIGHT - THANKS USFUCKINGPS

er sorry rant

[Import]

Careful e-whenever I find some new wonder-drug that when combined with opis creAtes less fiending, this usualy works for only a couple days. After that I'm poppin handfuls of said wonder-drug and trying to figure out why I'm fiending for opis like I was before I started. Everythings temporary...only constant is change (in this case maybe for the worse...
Dunno that's just me. Maybe a good name for addiction to baclofen would be baclofiend I.e., "I am baclofiending like a Mofo. Guess I'll fake some scrips"

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Hahaha
BACLOFIEND or BACOFIEND
YUP i'm mofo like a BACOFIEND right now
fuckings subs today

[EleusisII]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YU GUYS!!!

This is good stuff indeedy!

Makes Eleusis super loving! And super horny!

Love you guys! SRSLY! All of you!

Cya later, I'm off to give out some hugs... And find some hookers! Oh yes, sweet, sweet hookers!
Will report back though!

[Import]

Bacofiend might be more appropriate for a bacon addict...delicious...salty...strips...
Why did we have to start talkin about bacon?! I've been off that shit for months...

[EleusisII]

ASIAN HOOKERS!

GOD YES!!!

[Import]

They mAke good wives too.
It's always fun to find someone with similar interests


Ps-check for penises...those Asian hookers can sometimes just be tricky Menz

[The Paregoric Man]

WRONG AGAIN P.MAN (sorry could resist)
ah the MAYO CLINIC ACTUALLY SAID THAT- NOT ME
so may take it up with their docs
BUT
please don't use you above bizarre description- time released VALIUM??:confused:

PERSONAL
I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT BACLOFEN, GHB/GHL
there are all kind of nasty drugs
In reality tough GHB has the highest dose /response curve of any drug I've know, yes can easily blackout thus making for a plateau effect all on it own.

AND please no need to explain GHB ,I think that what you were trying to do?:confused:

ALL I know about GHB then GBL is that SWIM and best friend made MAD MONEY in the production of said. Back in the day before it was scheduled.
It a bad ass drug but hey I won't burst your little bubble and tell you how its really produced. Changes are you have never really had the *real* thing :rolleyes:

The mayo clinic said what? That baclofen is similar to GHB, it is in a very general sense.

I'll use any bizarre description I want to describe a SUBJECTIVE experience, jesus christ dude! I was trying to convey how unlike with diazepam baclofen will never push you so far into sedation you'll collpase and pass out. How would you convey this plateau effect? I'm waiting for the poetic, succint description.

Yea I've never had real GBL/GHB, the pictures and faq I put together detailing the easiest way to produce powder GHB(hint alcohol or another solvent is involved) was surely horseshit. You're right, you're right.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

The mayo clinic said what? That baclofen is similar to GHB, it is in a very general sense.

I'll use any bizarre description I want to describe a SUBJECTIVE experience, jesus christ dude! I was trying to convey how unlike with diazepam baclofen will never push you so far into sedation you'll collpase and pass out. How would you convey this plateau effect? I'm waiting for the poetic, succint description.

Yea I've never had real GBL/GHB, the pictures and faq I put together detailing the easiest way to produce powder GHB(hint alcohol or another solvent is involved) was surely horseshit. You're right, you're right.

SO YOU ARE SAYING YOUR A BACOFIEND TOO???:confused:
my,my how about you lighten up and have some fun hey
poetic?
GHB IS BAD NEWS THESE DAYS
IT IS BEST TO STAY THE FUCK AWAYS

:D