Darvocet(propoxyphene)

[insaneike]

Well recently I was prescribed this CRAP for pain that actualy hurts like hell... anywho I was wondering how it compares to like codeine, morphine, ect... I know it's piss worthless, even at 800mg! My real Q is how harmful is the APAP(acetaminophen) in them? 650mg per tablet! Would a CWE work with Darvo's?

later

[paesan]

Propoxyphene is in itself very toxic at high doses...if you have a tolerance like myself the dose it would take to get high would be dangerous. Propoxyphene is weaker than codeine but stronger (I believe) than tramadol. I myself have (even with almost no tolerance) never been able to catch a buzz off of it & wouldn't even attempt to.

If you're in legitimate pain & the darvocet isn't working than the doctor should give you something better. Just tell your doc that you're still in a lot of pain & that you are having difficulty sleeping which is causing you to risk losing your job (falling asleep at work). On top of that tell them that you've falling asleep at the wheel & you feel that it is becoming more than an inconvinience, but a danger to your life. That way they won't think that you're running them for drugs but that you actually need some decent shit to funtion normally. I've done this many times and have always made out like a bandit. It's the doc's job to make you feel better, so they better do it or you better find a new doc...

[SomniGod]

I concurr... Sell the darv's to someone and spend the money on somepods....much better results.


~S~

[JoyDivision]

The Propoxyphene may have more opioid activity than Tramadol but personally they mess me up more than propoxyphene hcl. and they don't make me feel sick. In fact they mess me up so bad that if I stop taking them I pretty much feel like topping myself unless I get the equivalent of Tylenol 3's or my Oxy script. Any other opie pretty much to make me feel better. Anti-depressants aren't a good idea with Tramadol. I had to be off Lexapro for 2 weeks before I could go on it ages ago. And I've used all forms of Tramadol HCl except injection. I've been on the 200mg SR's (which I thought were shit compared to the IR 50mg tabs).

I got a 10ml bottle of Tramadol drops which contained 1ml/100mg of Tramadol HCl.
1 bottle is equal to 20 x 50mg Tramadol HCl. However, the drops kick in faster and boy was I feeling fucking fine.

I don't care how little affinity it has for the opioid receptors. Tramadol is better than Propoxyphene.
And Tramadol will work for more days than propoxyphene which becomes useless after a short time in my experience. It may kill pain but it doesn't do shit to you. You hardly feel it. It just numbs whatever pain you may have. Tramadol on the other hand because of it's serotonin and especially it's norepinephrine activity works in conjunction with it's low opioid affinity to kill pain. Tramadol kills pain for the same reason Amitryptyline kills pain. The effect norephinephrine has on TNF (Tremor Necrosis Factor) which has an effect on pain levels. Read up on Amitryptyline and it's effect on pain for a more in-depth look.

Despite this it still isn't understood why Tramadol works so well.

And any drug that makes you want to top yourself without it is definately strong! You sure as fuck won't want to top yourself if you come off propoxyphene. You'll want to use Codeine or poppy seed tea instead before you do that.

I get propoxyphene because 1.) I don't believe you can get two authority scripts as Panadeine Forte 100 x 30mg Codeine + 500mg Paracetamol requires authorisation and I already need that for my Oxy. 2.) The propoxyphene both in napsylate and hcl are both private scripts, so I can get them with my Oxy for breakthrough pain. Paradex (which is 32.5mg dextropropoxyphene hcl (yes we put a dextro infront of propoxyphene) + 325mg Paracetamol <- this low level of Paracetamol means you can have up to 12 Paradex / Capadex / Di-gesic (all the same stuff) in a day and still get 100mg less Paracetamol than the max daily dose of Panadeine Forte.

We also have Doloxene - dextropropoxyphene napsylate in 100mg which equals 65mg of dextropropoxyphene hcl. You can get these in 100 capsules and is a private script like Paradex, etc. However this napsylate stuff blows worse than the HCl. It takes longer to absorb and metabolise (look at the studies on the net on it compared to the HCl) and I find it pretty much just makes me want to chuck.

[Zoop]

Ahhh. I remember back in the Spring of 1988. I was a Junior in high school. I was down at my granny's house in Alabama, and she had a big bottle of those bright orange, brand-name "Darvocet-N-100" pills with the cursive "Lilly" written on the other side. I remember thinking what the fuck is "lilly?" Anyways, I knew they were some kind of narcotic painkiller. I was only a kid then, and four of those things fucked me up for sure.

As time went on, however, my tolerance got to be so that propoxyphene, even when I took the plain Darvon 65mg propoxyphene HCl capsules (no tylenol in 'em), I couldn't get high, that stuff only turned me into a jittery, stuttering, stammering mess!

So, I hate propoxyphene. I would only take it if I was totally dope-sick and it was the absolute only thing around.

The APAP - 650mg worth - in those things is higher than any other combination analgesic too, so they suck on that count also.

Didn't someone do a thread on browning a CWE of a few DCN-100's and getting decent results back a while ago?

As far as tramadol compared with DCN-100, I would rather have the darvocets, if you ask me. Tramadol has given me a seizure, of the grand mal kind, three times. I was on zoloft at the time also, and I now know that that is an absolute no no, mixing tramadol and ANY SSRI antidepressant.

[exitwound]

I concurr... Sell the darv's to someone and spend the money on somepods....much better results.


~S~

Good call.

[Rhonwyn]

For your original question....no I have researched it and from what I have found you can't CWE darvocets.

Because that is the only thing my doc will give me for my fibro-myalgia pain. That and ultrams. (Whoopeee). Since I didn't want all that APAP, I looked into CWE. I went everywhere researching this. I have yet to find a way. Sorry!! Also, you are not supposed to take more than 8 per day I believe.

[SomniGod]

INCORRECT!
YOU CAN CWE DARV'S!!!!!

The only way SWIM will do them is CWE and brownin the solution... only way to get HIGH off of them...do becareful...because like Paesan said recently...propoxyphene is toxic itself (in high doses)!! So SWIM wouldn't take more than 600mg...and that may be bad for others..



~S~

ssd

[Paregoric Kid]

Well recently I was prescribed this CRAP for pain that actualy hurts like hell... anywho I was wondering how it compares to like codeine, morphine, ect... I know it's piss worthless, even at 800mg! My real Q is how harmful is the APAP(acetaminophen) in them? 650mg per tablet! Would a CWE work with Darvo's?

later
of course you can CWE darvocets, propoxyphene is soluble in water. though you can take up to 4-6 grams of tylenol in a single day usually without problems if you have a good liver.

hey speakin of darvs what about the pink watson darvon capsules? can you shoot them? a friend tried to but it kind of gunked up on him.

[GMorris]

Back when I was much younger and much stupider, sometimes Darv's were the only thing I could get. I knew a guy in a wheelchair that got a script every month, and he would always be waiting on me to come buy them on the day he got them filled. I got to where I'd have to take 12 - 15 of the Darvocet N-100's just to feel a little buzzed, now that's a LOT of Propoxyphene and a whole shitload of Acetominophen too, but I never died from it (if I did, I don't remember it, but I'd think death would be a pretty memorable experience!). That's not to say that I recommend anyone taking that much, it's just my experience with 'em. I have to wonder how the hell I survived that kind of dosage sometimes, and I'd drink like hell with them too. Still, my liver has always tested fine when I'd have a physical, so who knows? At one point, I found a good connect on the Darvon 65's and took assloads of them as well. They worked a lot faster and were more intense, but still pretty shitty of a buzz. The only source of information back them was the PDR, and it didn't say anything about toxicity so I just took as much as I needed to get a good high going. I'm sure today 5 grams of Propoxyphene wouldn't so much as give me a good itch, and I wouldn't want to take any anyway unless I was in serious withdrawal and that was all there was. Pretty much a useless drug unless you are totally opiate naive...

[satori]

If you have a low opiate tollerance 200mmg of propoxyphene NAP can be NIIICE. 180 of Propoxyphene HCL can be AMAZING. People make the mistake of thinking that propoxyphene sucks in general because darvocet is the most used. Darvon, its brother is the HCL sal form. Instead of intering your blood at a slower more steady rate it peaks almost emediatly. Darvon, is also pure Propoxyphene. 65 with nothing else in it. When you get it to work it feels a lot better then hydrocodone and lasts longer.

[JoyDivision]

I don't care what anyone says. Tramadol beats Propoxyphene hands down.

"As far as tramadol compared with DCN-100, I would rather have the darvocets, if you ask me. Tramadol has given me a seizure, of the grand mal kind, three times. I was on zoloft at the time also, and I now know that that is an absolute no no, mixing tramadol and ANY SSRI antidepressant."

Serotonin syndrome dude. You must have a dumbarse doctor. You're supposed to be off SSRI's for 2 weeks before you can go on Tramadol. No wonder you had problems. Don't think they are crap just because you didn't take them correctly and had a bad experience.

Take 200mg of instant release Tramadol HCl one day and tell me they suck. Then take 200mg of Propoxyphene Napsylate the next day. Fuck Propoxyphene Napsylate. Fuck it in it's stupid arsehole!
I've had 100 x 32.5mg propoxyphene hcl tabs. I've taken from 2-8 at a time and they do fuck all to me except give me a fucking headache.

[satori]

THATS IT!!! its a propoxyphene war!!!! PROPXYPHENE hcl is THE BEST period! lmao im sorry for arguing! My doctor rejected my last refill request for the hcl i think it was to soon from the point i had gotten the darvocet, so im going to ask the pharmacy to call it in. If not, i always have my solpaflex and soma. They make a nice mix sometimes -- if i drink coffee with it atleast.

[hovadagod]

This stuff is aweful, weak, and easy to OD on. It sucks and is bad for pain. Too much tylenol, and I hate to say this but I'd rather have....get ready....brace yourselves....I'd rather have codeine. Oh my god I said I'd rather have codeine...:sad-smile

Anyway...I thought that your stomach was sensitive to acetametaphen so you need vicoprofen or something with 325mg apap or less....norco? it comes in 5 7.5 and of course 10

[satori]

I DONT LIKE DARVOCET! i like DARVON> Darvocet is Propoxyphene Napsalyte (Sp) darvon is the HCL salt form. Its instant release, where the nap absorbs over hours. Its an amazing high, i like it more then hydrocodone (when using around 200mg).

[JoyDivision]

I DONT LIKE DARVOCET! i like DARVON> Darvocet is Propoxyphene Napsalyte (Sp) darvon is the HCL salt form. Its instant release, where the nap absorbs over hours. Its an amazing high, i like it more then hydrocodone (when using around 200mg).

No offense mate but you must be on crack :-). You like Darvon more than Hydrocodone!? Man. Fair enough I've never had Hydrocodone. But I've had Propoxyphene Napsylate and Propoxyphene HCl and I too would rather Codeine or Hydrocodone. Propoxyphene is related to Methadone. Do you think people would rather Methadone or Heroin. Because that's what Propoxyphene in any salt is to Codeine in any salt.

That said. I would rather the propoxyphene hcl salt over napsylate anyday. But I'd still rather Tramadol HCl over Propoxyshit anything. I'm sorry but it's crap. Propoxyphene is only 2/3 the strength of similar mg of Codeine. Tramadol doesn't have as much opioid affinity but after being on all three. I would take Tramadol and Codeine over Propoxyshit anyday. Geez, where do you score your stuff? Mum's bag? Kindergarten? Propoxyphene is so crap. It should be OTC! Even DXM is a more powerful opiate than Propoxyphene and you can get it OTC! (yes it is an opiate, it's a morphine derivative).

[hovadagod]

CRAP CRAP CRAP!!!:bricks:

[shaunclo]

I remember in my very early stages of opiate testing, I was loving those Hydro's. I would take a 5/500 (vicodin) JUST ONE!!! and love every second of it. When I had apendectomy they gave me some darvons to go home with. I remember thinking, "Sweet!!!!" some other form of painkillers. I took like 5 of em and didnt feel any form of euphoria whatsoever from them. Darvon is crap, period. This was when I had no tolerance whatsoever, and I still didnt feel shit form those darvons. The next week my brother's best frind's dad committed suicide with those little fuckers. Darvocets are very toxic and easy to OD on without the proper knowledge.

[hovadagod]

The idea behind CWE is that tylenol is highly insoluable. That's what makes it work so well. Opi's are generall soluable but it's the fact that tylenol just won't dissolve that makes so viable no matter what you are working with.

Joy---I agree about tramadol but after it gives you a gran mal seizure or three you'll change your outlook.

[BigWaves]

Dateline Las Vegas October 2006

Still the best kept secret in medicine?

by Chief wigscunkiejumbave

I just got done with similar post on a similar thread so I might as well repeat it here if it's at helpful.

Here's the thing... There's a difference of [I]mere molecules between propoxyphene [or what is brand named Darvocet™ N-50 N-100]
and none other than methadone hydrochloride. It [Darvo] has a strange creeper buzz like methadone but doesn't take as long to peak. And higher doses leave one feeling more "janky" than out of it morphine-methadone style. But they're SO chemically similar that some rehab facilities dispense ONLY Darvocet for opiate cessation; LESS health risks/side effects, LESS risk of "continued use"/abuse and of theft and diversion, + BETTER tolerated in patients in general.

If you gots some laying around SAVE IT FOR A RAINY DAY. It takes TOO MUCH of the shit to get you off so you might as well. It'll save your ass if you get dopesick...I GAHRONTEE...or *AS ALWAYS PEOPLE* return the unused portion to me and I will give you a full refund.



methadone= C21H27NO propoxyphene= C22H28NO2

WARNING/GUARANTEE:
Habit-forming. If not satisfied, return the unused portion of your medications to me for a FULL REFUND plus a $25 voucher towards your next order

[tofunun]

once, in a desperation to get off, i stole a bunch of my grandma's darvocets. I ate at least 12, maybe 15 all at once...and yeah, dood..I got fucxed up fo'sho. But then, laying there nodding in and out of my buzz, I got hella freaked out and considered the possibility that I was not high, but rather, overdosing and dying at that current moment. I wondered if what I was feeling was from a tylenol overdose rather than the darvocet itself. I never considered the darvocet to be toxic...I don't really know much about those, so I didn't realize darvon has a potential for toxicity. Anyway, I lived, but not without freaking the fuck out all night. I'll never do that shit again. I got a scrip for some darvons or darvocets or something last fall when I got burned...which still pisses me off to this day. I walked into the er with a second and third degree burn from my waist to my knee and they gave me fucking darvocet at the ER and a scrip to take home with me. When I pleaded for something stronger (I was delirious with pain at this point) they told me no. I did indeed end up eating the whole prescription of 60 of them within 2 days, I think, maybe 3. Luckily, I ended up back into the hospital again with more caring doctors who looked at me like I was crazy when I told them I was taking darvocet for the pain...they immediately hooked up everything from dilaudid to percocet to versed to morphine to mepergans....oh joy that was, sorta....the burn really did hurt, though.
ANYway, I also just got prescribed darvocet again today from my pcp...which pisses me off. First he gave me hydrocodone, then switched me to ultram, now to darvocet...which is really annoying. Next time I go, Im just going to straight up ask him for the good stuff.
Darvocet is ok when you don't have anything else and its a good high in large doses, but jeebus h., it freaks me out when I think of how Im damaging my liver and kidneys and risking an od. This just points to the fact that my priorities are fucked...Im sitting here ranting how taking too much darvocet freaks me out, yet I'll shove a fucking needle in me and blow out my veins and give myself abscesses and risk heart attacks and heart problems and so forth...oh the rationale of a junkie! *sarcastic chuckle*

[trainwrecker]

Dirty D's. Pink Ladies. I've ate way too many of those nasty fuckers over the years. It sucks when you are in a small town you will take just about anything to get by. They give you such a gross numb feeling, not good at all. I wish I had known about CWE back then.

[john_doe]

THATS IT!!! its a propoxyphene war!!!! PROPXYPHENE hcl is THE BEST period! lmao im sorry for arguing! My doctor rejected my last refill request for the hcl i think it was to soon from the point i had gotten the darvocet, so im going to ask the pharmacy to call it in. If not, i always have my solpaflex and soma. They make a nice mix sometimes -- if i drink coffee with it atleast.


Why the fuck would you want to drink coffee with opiates. lol. Sorry but caffeine defeats the purpose of opiates in my opinion. Caffeine is the reason Tylenol 3 sucks so bad. And that the OTC canadian codeine pills suck so bad. Caffeine destroys an opiate high like no other. in like 20 mins you have pissed out your high cuz it's a major diuretic. lol Bad stuff!!! Your crazy man you sure have weird tastes but to each his own lol. And propoxyphene? damn. Your ghetto! Word up!

[Powdered Love]

Me and the pink lady have a strange relationship... somtimes ,i call her for a late night booty call and i leave feeling very gross about the whole experience. But other times, if i'm lucky, she makes me feel like she loves me, and we have a great time together.



... ok? what was i talking about there???

oh, sometimes i feel nice on darvocets, comparable to hydrocodone, and sometimes they feel so disgusting. anyone else have that happen to them with darvocet? i'm curious.

also, i never take more that four at a time because of the APAP and the low dose toxicity thing.

i've also heard that propoxyphene is metabolised into an anesthetic(sp?).. is this true?

[insanesteveo]

ive never tried darvocet but i used to love tramadol. it works for me almost as good asss hydro. id get almost as fucked up as i would on hydro and a 400 mg dose of IR would last me over 12 hours. and i think cigarettes taste even better pn trams then other opiates like morphine, oxy, and pods. call me weird, but ill tkae a tram or 8 when im in w/d and it will make me feel waaaaay better.

i miust say its been awhile since i took a tram. when i was taking them i would almost prefer 400 mg of that to 20-40 mg of oxy. it gave just abou tas good as a high, and lasted alot longer. my last oxy binge after being on pods for awhile brought me up to around 100 mg to get a good high. i have no clue how tht tram would affect me now.

id like to try darv and tram again sometime soon.

[fubar]

I agree w/hovadagod concerning CWE. Personally i don't fuck with darvo nothing high doses could have fatal results. It is chemically similar to methadone but that does not mean it will have the same euphoric effect. My first day on this site love it better than many others of this nature. Be careful if you decide to CWE darvocet. PEACE

[Chemical_Boy]

Propoxyphene is related to Methadone. Do you think people would rather Methadone or Heroin. Because that's what Propoxyphene in any salt is to Codeine in any salt.


I have to agree that propoxyphene sucks balls. Then again, so does tramadol and codeine. Hydro is the bare minimum as far as worthwhile goes.
As odd as it is, I do actually prefere 'done to dope. I say this after living in Jersey and getting 2 or 3 bags a day that came from NYC or Newark. Then one magical day, this dude had a bunch of Methadose 10s for sale and I didn't know what they were really, but I was like fuck it and got 'em. God I loved those things! Then they weren't around anymore and it was back to dope. Found 'done again only one time after that. Hadn't had any opies other than some vics and I ran into a dude in Tempe AZ who was panhandling while I was looking for something else. I ended up with 6 or 8 dolies and was back in my happy place (for a little while). That's been four years ago. Now that I am clean and straight (other than what little the doc's give me for legitimate use- usually a couple hydros that don't do shit as far as fun but help with migraine pain) I have acutally considered getting myself hooked on dope again just so I could get into a treatment program. I like it that much. BTW I wouldn't actually do all that, I just have fun entertaining the thought!

[zombiewoof23]

I have to agree that propoxyphene sucks balls. Then again, so does tramadol and codeine. Hydro is the bare minimum as far as worthwhile goes.
As odd as it is, I do actually prefere 'done to dope. I say this after living in Jersey and getting 2 or 3 bags a day that came from NYC or Newark. Then one magical day, this dude had a bunch of Methadose 10s for sale and I didn't know what they were really, but I was like fuck it and got 'em. God I loved those things! Then they weren't around anymore and it was back to dope. Found 'done again only one time after that. Hadn't had any opies other than some vics and I ran into a dude in Tempe AZ who was panhandling while I was looking for something else. I ended up with 6 or 8 dolies and was back in my happy place (for a little while). That's been four years ago. Now that I am clean and straight (other than what little the doc's give me for legitimate use- usually a couple hydros that don't do shit as far as fun but help with migraine pain) I have acutally considered getting myself hooked on dope again just so I could get into a treatment program. I like it that much. BTW I wouldn't actually do all that, I just have fun entertaining the thought!


That doesn't sound like you chem? Who is this and what happened to your 7?

[Chemical_Boy]

Different Chem. I just registered.

[chemboy7]

Well the problem with getting on Methadone maintainence trying to get high is that even if they aren't tapering your dose, they aren't likely to be raising it either, and sooner or later the euphoria you get from them is going to dwindle to next to nothing... if they even started giving you a nice enough dose to begin with.

And I have been waiting for you to post since I seen that you had joined with that name. I see some similairities there, it look's familiar. Hahaha. That's cool and everything but I got dibs on the nickname chem, that's hand's off buddy, you can be mini-chem or chemclone or something like that. Just thought we should get that outta the way. Welcome to the board anyhow. :D

[Chemical_Boy]

My buddies back in the day used to refere to me as chemical boy. I can't seem to remmeber why anymore. . .hehehe

chemclone. hmmmm. . ..I like it

[Azrael]

Well recently I was prescribed this CRAP for pain that actualy hurts like hell... anywho I was wondering how it compares to like codeine, morphine, ect... I know it's piss worthless, even at 800mg! My real Q is how harmful is the APAP(acetaminophen) in them? 650mg per tablet! Would a CWE work with Darvo's?

later

You should slap your doctor...here in Oregon, docs don't even consider darvocet a painkiller...they prescribe like they would prescribe extra strength ibuprofen. Tell him the darvocet does not do anything and demand something that will actually do something. Darvocet is pure crap.

edit: except for cramps, I guess it works great on cramps. go figure.

[chemboy7]

You should slap your doctor...here in Oregon, docs don't even consider darvocet a painkiller...they prescribe like they would prescribe extra strength ibuprofen. Tell him the darvocet does not do anything and demand something that will actually do something. Darvocet is pure crap.

edit: except for cramps, I guess it works great on cramps. go figure.

I don't think "demanding" stronger meds from your doctor is going to get you anything more than him being suspicious of your intentions. Playing with doctors trying to scale up is a tricky game and "demanding" isn't going to help your cause any. Shit, while your at it why don't you stare him in the eye and poke him in the chest while your demanding your narcotics? If these tactics work for you I want to switch to your doctor.

[Azrael]

I don't think "demanding" stronger meds from your doctor is going to get you anything more than him being suspicious of your intentions. Playing with doctors trying to scale up is a tricky game and "demanding" isn't going to help your cause any. Shit, while your at it why don't you stare him in the eye and poke him in the chest while your demanding your narcotics? If these tactics work for you I want to switch to your doctor.

I think my post was open to interpretation, and demanding was probably the wrong word to use. Suggest maybe would be a better word. You are right, trying to scale your narcotics up is tricky, I guess I'm just used to Oregon doctors. You can thank the catholics and the Oregon suicide law for compassionate prescribing by oregon doctors. And believe me, I'm the furthest thing from christian.

-Azrael

[insaneike]

Thread over 6months old lol(isn't it...?). and Don't bother with Darvos. Literaly no more effective than asiprin or naproxen and is addictive to an extent, also very toxic.

Edited cause don't know how to delete.

[tonyk]

well, I like propoxyphene & have been using it steady for many, many yrs. It's easy to get a script for & get online & I never run out. Ofcourse I have to add ETOH with it to get the buzz. But that's fine cuz I would drink anyway. I guess I am just an easy buzz.

[tonyk]

By the way, what is CWE?

[SpecialGuy69]

By the way, what is CWE?
2 things, tony- cwe= a way to separate the good (opiates) from the bad (APAP). Please use the search engine before asking simple questions. It seems obscure to you, but we see these questions almost daily. If you search and can't find the answer to your question, by all means, ask! But search first.

Here's a really fast opiophle glossary:

CWE=cold water extraction
APAP=tylenol
OC=oxycontin (my one true love)
DXM=dextromethorphan (the shit in cough syrup that makes you trip)
OP=online pharmacy
CP=chronic pain
MMT=methadone maintenance therapy
OD=overdose
DOC=drug of choice
UTFSE=use the fuckin search engine

try some other stuff from your OP- I recommend hydrocodone, it's about the strongest thing you can get from a reliable OP, and it's less toxic when cwe.